That's a pity but I'm not sure surprised. I see Denuvo becoming the norm. Fortunately someone hopefully will crack it down the line only to see some necessary competition against DRM aduse but more important, game preservation.

I understand the issues very well. As noted, I'm not a fan of DRM. That doesn't mean I don't play or buy games that have it. But they get very little of my money if they do have it. In the specific case of Denuvo, it's much like other things such as Origin: a lot of hysteria and fud about what it does and how bad it is, when the reality is far different.

But this is about as much as I'm going to say about this topic, as it never goes anywhere good.

The only reason denuvo was cracked was because a demo was released. No demo means no crack. What will software companies learn from this?

Agreed.

Different people have different values and trying to convert or explain to people is a lost cause:

On one extreme you have the people who want the new shiny and they'll do anything to get it.
On the other extreme you have those who wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole if it has DRM attached.

Then you have the fuzziness in between:
It only requires activations sometimes (this sometimes being different values)? Shrug. OK
It only has 2 layers of DRM instead of 3. Shrug. Okay.
It has DRM. Fine then I'll buy it on a steam sale.
It's just a game (ie not important) why do you care?
It has DRM? Well Valve/whoever said they'll remove it when they go out of business so I'll buy it anyway because Valve can definetly do this and an out of business company will definetly make this a priority for the shit ton of games they have..
You're crazy a computer company going out of business? How likely is that? I'll buy it anyway.
etc
etc
etc

What is highly annoying is the willfull ignorance. It's the same with politics the amount of knowledge required to be aware of all of the details is way more effort than a person who just wants to play a game today at this moment and will never play it again is willing to give, and hey it's just $59.99 to play the remaster in 10 years anyway. The only thing saving those of us who do care is the massive backlog of games that don't have DRM, the games that do have DRM that have cracks and the current and future games that don't have DRM and that have cracks for that DRM. The games with DRM that are never cracked (and the devs and pubs who approved it) can DIAF for all I care.

GOG, if you get Dishonored 2 DRM free you'll have my money.

Could be, or they could do as Rockstar and leave the several DRM layers that GTA IV still has to this day.

Well said.

Educating the consumers of now and tomorrow about the implications of DRM, and even just services that require clients to access products you own, would be a good way of making sure that Denuvo and similar don't easily gain widespread acceptance. And I guess supporting the companies that don't employ such things would help.

The optimist that I am, I think Denuvo will start to lose favour if they have to make their system more restricting.

Actually, I think we'd only be getting Game of The Century Editions in a few years.


Okay, good point, but R* probably don't care about PC gamers or their old games that much anyway.

I didn't used to be that concerned with DRM as it was but now that I'm almost going on 40 game 'preservation' is really the last thing on my list of concerns for gaming. I'm far more interested in seeing as many games out there as possible and if that means devs need to protect their own interests to some extent I'm fine with that. So far I haven't even noticed Denuvo in the games I played yet.

Same goes for Metal Gear Solid V that someone asked. Ran like an absolute charm, great performance on that one.

Spoken like someone who (selfadmittedly) hasn't played the games he's making a quality statement about.

Good news for you is that PES 2017's Denuvo protection has been broken (not getting into the semetics of a "proper" release and all that as along as it's from the scene groups and it works). So if you know where to look you can have some kind backup that enables you to own/keep your game for real.

Dishonoured 2's Denuvo protection will go down the same way at one point or another. It's just a matter of time. And waiting is not a bad thing. This will give room for the bugs to be fixed and the DLCs released.

Waiting for the post release news to see if game was any good didn't bother me, even if I could get it cheaper before hand.
Waiting for them to realise Denuvo should be burnt at the stake may take longer than I'm willing to wait (or live, I'm old hehe), so I'll just play other games & wait & see ;)

Frankly, anything with Denuvo can just fuck off. I don't care how good a game is, I will *never* accept a game with Denuvo; not even for free (same goes for Origin, UPlay etc). The only way to get companies to stop using DRM is by refusing to accept it & not buying games that use it.

On a related note: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/bethesda_claims_to_be_antidrm
Guess their quote should really be: Also: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/52kv1t/offline_pc_gaming_test_result_origin_and_denuvo/

Haha, yeah! Would be ideal if DRM would be extinct tomorrow. But GOG has a ton of fantastic games. I haven't even finished playing half of the all games I own in my library! Definitely I can wait and see as well. :)

As far as I know, PES 2017 was properly cracked by CPY.

But unfortunately with Denuvo, it's not as simple as waiting for the bugs to be fixed. Right now cracking a denuvo game requires a lot of effort and time. Which means only the release version has been cracked. And cracks usually only work for a given version. So patched versions have to be cracked again. And right now I don't see that happening.

So yes, as it has been the case in the industry this last years, it is better for publishers to release buggy games as an antipirate nad drm measure. And to make sure retail copies are worthless, so everyone embrace the digital era once and for all (that's more of a console thing, as in pc retail versions are mostly steam keys nowadays anyway).

Roughly 500 games I have & they're all completed.
Yes, that's right *shifty eyes* every single one cleared *cough*, all pointless achievements gained & DLC finished too *wink*.

So, guess I'll have to start them all all over again until Denuvo is ousted ;)

For example, what good game have Denuvo? MGSV? With cut out last third of game? With same missions in second Act? When almost every gamer CRIES that only first third if that game is good and other 2/3 is not? When it price on Steam dropped VERY FAST even when crack wasn't present?

P.S. I playing PC games from 1991 and i have enough expirience so i don't need to taste dirt to conclude that it is not tastes good. :)

P.P.S. Never bought (or even pirated) any game with Denuvo, but played for a little because a friend of mine bought them and wanted my opinion of them. So, he let me play this games and what can i say - it's very bad.

DOOM for one. Mad Max too. Rise of the Tomb Raider. The new Deus Ex...