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KneeTheCap: I can't believe people are actually celebrating when a game gets cracked...
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fishbaits: I couldn't give two shits if the game got cracked, but I will celebrate Denuvo & all shitty DRM getting cracked, especially if it'll mean the death of it in the future.
you do realise it will not result in any death of DRM at all, but rather implementation of much stricter and more intrusive forms.... so.... congratulations? I guess?
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fishbaits: I couldn't give two shits if the game got cracked, but I will celebrate Denuvo & all shitty DRM getting cracked, especially if it'll mean the death of it in the future.
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amok: you do realise it will not result in any death of DRM at all, but rather implementation of much stricter and more intrusive forms.... so.... congratulations? I guess?
Denuvo is of the much stricter and intrusive kind.

To me a very intrusive drm is one that prevents game preservation by demanding online connectivity and being bound to particular servers. In fact, a would care a lot less about asking question about the manual or the protection codes of yesteryear that something as dangerous as denuvo, that gives all control to the publisher. You not only have to be worried about Steam living on, but also Denuvo and their own servers.
DRM also allows the publishers to disable games (Battlefield 2, for instance) so they can determine when you are done playing it. You don't decide, they do, by killing login servers or having DRM disable the game. So, I like DRM being cracked because it means that there is a working copy of the game regardless of what Konami, Capcom, EA or Ubisoft think about whether I should still be allowed to play the game I bought.
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KneeTheCap: I can't believe people are actually celebrating when a game gets cracked...
Most of GOG catalogue (older titles) has been cracked at some point, otherwise those games wouldn't be here (nor Steam).

Think about it.
Man those hackers/crackers/whatever sure are a stubborn bunch. =P Then again, they're probably more into it for the "fun" and challenge of cracking than caring that much about freeing such afflicted games to the cheapass masses.

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KneeTheCap: I can't believe people are actually celebrating when a game gets cracked...
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fishbaits: I couldn't give two shits if the game got cracked, but I will celebrate Denuvo & all shitty DRM getting cracked, especially if it'll mean the death of it in the future.
Goodbye, Denuvo. Hello, real online-based DRM. (i.e. Diablo 3, Heroes of Might & Magic 6 + 7, etc.) You should have realized by now that when stuff like this happens the big publishers tend to escalate the situation. So, hooray us, I guess. =/ Well, at least it really should give indie devs pause to waste their money on such matters.
Post edited January 30, 2017 by mistermumbles
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mistermumbles: Goodbye, Denuvo. Hello, real online-based DRM. (i.e. Diablo 3, Heroes of Might & Magic 6 + 7, etc.) You should have realized by now that when stuff like this happens the big publishers tend to escalate the situation.
The good news is that doing it the Diablo 3 way (ie. streaming some of the game data from servers) is not usable for most games, due to the extra costs.

Plus, if people don't like such forms of DRM, hey they can vote with their wallet. People who don't mind online DRM oh well I guess they wouldn't care either way.
Post edited January 30, 2017 by timppu
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mistermumbles: Goodbye, Denuvo. Hello, real online-based DRM. (i.e. Diablo 3, Heroes of Might & Magic 6 + 7, etc.) You should have realized by now that when stuff like this happens the big publishers tend to escalate the situation. So, hooray us, I guess. =/ Well, at least it really should give indie devs pause to waste their money on such matters.
Hello lower reliability & greater opportunity for denial of service attacks to interfere (remember when Steam got DDOS'ed just before Christmas? Imagine just how much more pissed people would have been if noone could even play the games they've already downloaded in single player mode when that happened), also greater operating costs for the publishers leading to inevitable early server shutdowns, and on the plus side, hello wider & stronger animosity towards DRM :)
Post edited January 30, 2017 by adamhm
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mistermumbles: Goodbye, Denuvo. Hello, real online-based DRM. (i.e. Diablo 3, Heroes of Might & Magic 6 + 7, etc.) You should have realized by now that when stuff like this happens the big publishers tend to escalate the situation. So, hooray us, I guess. =/ Well, at least it really should give indie devs pause to waste their money on such matters.
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adamhm: Hello lower reliability & greater opportunity for denial of service attacks to interfere (remember when Steam got DDOS'ed just before Christmas? Imagine just how much more pissed people would have been if noone could even play the games they've already downloaded in single player mode when that happened), also greater operating costs for the publishers leading to inevitable early server shutdowns, and on the plus side, hello wider & stronger animosity towards DRM :)
Which, off courses, we can blame the crackers and pirate for. If they left it alone, we would not have the escalation of DRM.
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amok: Which, off courses, we can blame the crackers and pirate for. If they left it alone, we would not have the escalation of DRM.
And yet if the pirates suddenly stopped for some reason, the publishers would be of the perception that it's because the DRM "works" and wouldn't stop using it, or might even start using it more as a result of that belief. Plus in many cases their use of DRM isn't purely about piracy but a control thing, too (SecuROM's slogan was even something like "get maximum control", at least at one point).

What I do is almost exclusively buy DRM-free games and ignore pretty much everything else - the only DRM I'll tolerate is Steam (and *only* Steam), but in that case Linux support is a must and it needs to be massively discounted as I won't pay much for it. Also I only buy gift keys for games that are DRM-free & do what I can to discourage piracy of DRM-free games.

And while I won't encourage or promote it I don't really give a shit either if someone pirates DRM'ed game; that's what the DRM is for, after all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post edited January 30, 2017 by adamhm
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mistermumbles: Goodbye, Denuvo. Hello, real online-based DRM. (i.e. Diablo 3, Heroes of Might & Magic 6 + 7, etc.) You should have realized by now that when stuff like this happens the big publishers tend to escalate the situation. So, hooray us, I guess. =/ Well, at least it really should give indie devs pause to waste their money on such matters.
If online-only games were so feasible, all the publishers would have chosen them over Denuvo from the very start.
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phaolo: If online-only games were so feasible, all the publishers would have chosen them over Denuvo from the very start.
And on top of that of all of the publishers that have tried it so far have taken a massive hit to their reputation/earned a lot more distrust from buyers as a result. Except OnLive, but they were a streaming service & advertised as such so people knew what to expect from the outset (and they still eventually collapsed).
Post edited January 31, 2017 by adamhm
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-02-01-denuvo-responds-to-lightning-quick-resident-evil-7-pc-crack
"Given the fact that every unprotected title is cracked on the day of release"

Wow, idiots....

It isn't cracked on the day of release, if it isn't lumbered with drm. It's just copied, which would also happen further down the road for those that will wait for cracked/pirated copies anyway.
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mistermumbles: Goodbye, Denuvo. Hello, real online-based DRM. (i.e. Diablo 3, Heroes of Might & Magic 6 + 7, etc.) You should have realized by now that when stuff like this happens the big publishers tend to escalate the situation. So, hooray us, I guess. =/ Well, at least it really should give indie devs pause to waste their money on such matters.
And why would there be a sudden escalation, considering how this DRM vs Pirates thing has been going on for years? What's new about this time? Are all the mainstream companies closing shop now? EA, Ubisoft, 2K, Bethesda.. etc are still raking in the profits the last I checked, and are not going away anytime soon. Besides won't GOG be the first to go then, as there is no DRM on the games here?
There's a chance some heads over at Denuvo central may be on the chopping board some time soon.

https://torrentfreak.com/crackers-swarm-as-denuvo-website-leaks-secret-information-170205/

"Denuvo Website Leaks Secret Information, Crackers Swarm

While the folks at Denuvo are leaders in the field of video game protection, the same cannot be said about their website. In an embarrassing blunder, the company has left some directories and files open to the public and right now members of the cracking community are downloading and scrutinizing the contents."

One thing (of many ;p) was stupid in the leak.

"But for every business opportunity, there are dozens of emails from angry pirates, each looking to vent their anger.

“Why do you have to make such shit software to fuck over pc gamers with DRM bullshit. Please inform the companies you work with that if your DRM is implemented on games they are selling, they will lose thousands of customers. Thanks,” wrote someone identifying themselves as Angry Customer."

Pirates? What, did someone email them claiming to be a pirate & that they were miffed?

I fucking doubt it lol! It's more likely it's a legit purchaser &/or DRM free hopeful that wants less shite in their game downloads.