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Stig79: Don't worry. They are no doubt working on Baldur's Gate 3 now. A sequel to a series that ended perfectly. I guess SoD didn't do enough harm to the series. They have to ram the final nail into its coffin, I suppose.
In the first place, why do they have to make Baldur's Gate 3 if Baldur's Gate 2 ended splendidly? Why not just make a new game in that setting aside from the Bhaalspawn without all the SJW bullcrap? Oh wait, because that would take too much thought.

If they try hiring that SJW writer from SoD again, that means that their one blackeye to their PR wasn't good enough.

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Hickory: "Don't call us, we'll call you". [Filed]
Hey, and here I was thinking that only Steam doesn't do anything regarding customer support.
Post edited July 14, 2017 by makaikishi
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Stig79: Don't worry. They are no doubt working on Baldur's Gate 3 now. A sequel to a series that ended perfectly. I guess SoD didn't do enough harm to the series. They have to ram the final nail into its coffin, I suppose.
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makaikishi: In the first place, why do they have to make Baldur's Gate 3 if Baldur's Gate 2 ended splendidly? Why not just make a new game in that setting aside from the Bhaalspawn without all the SJW bullcrap? Oh wait, because that would take too much thought.

If they try hiring that SJW writer from SoD again, that means that their one blackeye to their PR wasn't good enough.

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Hickory: "Don't call us, we'll call you". [Filed]
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makaikishi: Hey, and here I was thinking that only Steam doesn't do anything regarding customer support.
http://kotaku.com/the-struggle-to-bring-back-baldur-s-gate-after-17-years-1768303595

"Phase one: remaster old games. Phase two: make new expansion for old games. You can probably guess what phase three is. If all goes according to plan, Beamdog wants to make their own game, and they sure hope it will be Baldur’s Gate III.

“Basically, Baldur’s Gate III, every two weeks when we call [Dungeons & Dragons publisher] Wizards of the Coast, something comes up,” said Daigle. “The Baldur’s Gate III thing, when are we going to do that? I think the answer is when the right people and the right partners line up, something big will happen.”

They aren't hiring Amber Scott. She quit last year. They did hire David Gaider last year though. That is a full-blown SJW too, but he isn't a bad writer at all. So I guess they replaced a really bad SJW writer with a very good SJW writer.

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Hickory: My guess is it went something like this (highly simplified):

Beamdog: Hey, GOG, we have a fantastic idea that will benefit us [especially us] both...
GOG: Oh yeah? Let's hear it then.
Beamdog: Well, you know we have enhanced editions of BG et al, and everybody knows bundles are great, right? We were thinking how fantastic it would be to... (blah, blah)... Everybody wins!
GOG: Hmm. That might work. Let's do it.
Beamdog: Great! We'll send the agreement papers right over!
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plan99: Ha! The most realistic part was the "blah, blah", but there needs to be a bit (a lot) more hatred and/or doublespeak on Beamdog's end - they're obviously using Orwell's books as manuals. ;)
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Stig79: Someone posted a reply he got from GoG customer Service not long ago. GoG said they had to sell the games the way the developers wanted, or not sell them at all.

So I am sure this is what Beamdog means by "joint decision". Bundle the games or you don't get to sell Planescape, BG or Icewind Dale anymore.
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plan99: Maybe you're right, maybe not, but it always seems like you're making an excuse not to do something. Either way, they're clearly making it sound like GOG was part of this. Don't waste time and effort in forums, other than being a place to talk about ideas or let off steam, lol, it hasn't done a bit of good. Take it to GOG support and we'll see what happens - they can thank Beamdog for the deluge. My experience with support, so far:

Subject: On Beamdog and bundling the classics

I'd like the classic versions of Baldur's Gate 1&2, Icewind Dale, Planescape: Torment and any future games Beamdog decides to "enhance" sold separately. It's fine if they're bundled with the EEs, but they need to be sold separately, as well. Not everyone likes the EEs or wants to give money to a company (Beamdog) who've consistently put out bug riddled games, charge more for the privilege and attack people if they disagree with them in any way.

If what Beamdog said ( https://www.gog.com/forum/baldurs_gate_series/regarding_the_removal_of_the_original_ie_games_from_sale_on_gog/page1 ) is true, I'm extremely unhappy and disappointed with GOG.

Support reply:

Hello,
Thank you for the suggestion, I will forward it to the right teams to consider.
Making an excuse not to do something? Not sure what you mean. I have contacted Beamdog several times asking for explanations.

What Beamdog is saying isn't true. It wasn't GoG or WOTC that were behind the bundling it was Beamdog. They are trying to push some blame over to GoG now. Last year they were blaming WOTC for it all over the place.

http://imgh.us/Julius_1.png Have a look at this little thing. He wasn't the only one who made statements like this, by the way. Have a look at their forums and you will find plenty.
Post edited July 14, 2017 by Stig79
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Stig79: They aren't hiring Amber Scott. She quit last year. They did hire David Gaider last year though. That is a full-blown SJW too, but he isn't a bad writer at all. So I guess they replaced a really bad SJW writer with a very good SJW writer.
David Gaider is an excellent writer. Dragon Age was amazing and no character seemed forced, or ideological. I went through all their stories & quests, and loved every minute. Maybe Leliana was a bit Mary Sue, but she was likeable enough.

Dragon Age II, for all its flaws, had really, really good characters too. Again, went through all their stories & quests, and again, loved every minute. The main story was something else entirely... quite boring.

I have Dragon Age 3, but I haven't had time to played through it yet. I heard that it was full blown ideological, guess I'll find out this winter. If the rumours are true, my opinion on Mr. Gaider might very well change.

Hopefully, David Gaider will stick to writing entertaining & believable characters & leave his ideologies aside.

Just to be clear, I don't care what sex or political leanings the characters have. My favourite characters from Origins are Wade & Herren (gay couple), Awakening is Anders (filthy communist hippie), and 2 is Aveline Vallen (conservative). I have no problem with any character, as long as it's well written. As long as they're believable, I'll like them.

So I was fucking furious when Beamdog insulted its customers.

Mrs. Scott BRAGGED that she didn't care if her writing felt forced - what kind of serious, professional writer THINKS that, let alone boast about it? Any two-bit writer SHOULD care if the writing is forced - that's the whole fucking point of being a decent writer!

Regardless, Trent Oster is a fucking piece of shit for all the stunts he pulled. Give me back my money, Oster. I regret supporting your scam operation.
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Stig79: They aren't hiring Amber Scott. She quit last year. They did hire David Gaider last year though. That is a full-blown SJW too, but he isn't a bad writer at all. So I guess they replaced a really bad SJW writer with a very good SJW writer.
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Dalthnock: David Gaider is an excellent writer. Dragon Age was amazing and no character seemed forced, or ideological. I went through all their stories & quests, and loved every minute. Maybe Leliana was a bit Mary Sue, but she was likeable enough.

Dragon Age II, for all its flaws, had really, really good characters too. Again, went through all their stories & quests, and again, loved every minute. The main story was something else entirely... quite boring.

I have Dragon Age 3, but I haven't had time to played through it yet. I heard that it was full blown ideological, guess I'll find out this winter. If the rumours are true, my opinion on Mr. Gaider might very well change.

Hopefully, David Gaider will stick to writing entertaining & believable characters & leave his ideologies aside.

Just to be clear, I don't care what sex or political leanings the characters have. My favourite characters from Origins are Wade & Herren (gay couple), Awakening is Anders (filthy communist hippie), and 2 is Aveline Vallen (conservative). I have no problem with any character, as long as it's well written. As long as they're believable, I'll like them.

So I was fucking furious when Beamdog insulted its customers.

Mrs. Scott BRAGGED that she didn't care if her writing felt forced - what kind of serious, professional writer THINKS that, let alone boast about it? Any two-bit writer SHOULD care if the writing is forced - that's the whole fucking point of being a decent writer!

Regardless, Trent Oster is a fucking piece of shit for all the stunts he pulled. Give me back my money, Oster. I regret supporting your scam operation.
When it comes to writing characters Gaider is top of the line. No question about it. Dragon Age 2 was a huge mess of a game BUT the characters saved it from being a complete disaster.

The best character in DA:I, in my opinion, is a gay mage called Dorian. Superb character. There is a trans character in there as well. Very good character. He never felt like some forced token character at all. Which brings me to the key word here. Character. Character should always come first. Not some political message badly disguised as a character.


Scott also said this: http://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/nichegamer/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Dragonspear_Editorial-4-4-2016-3.jpg

Which is probably the most arrogant crap I have ever seen a writer say. "I'm the writer and the creator. I get to make the decisions about who I write and why". That is full blown narcissism right there.

She did not create BG at all. She got a job writing a middle chapter in the series. When you do that you need to keep it in tone with the rest of the series. Not change the personality of existing characters just because "I don't like white CIS males" etc.
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Dalthnock: Mrs. Scott BRAGGED that she didn't care if her writing felt forced - what kind of serious, professional writer THINKS that, let alone boast about it? Any two-bit writer SHOULD care if the writing is forced - that's the whole fucking point of being a decent writer!
When you deal with SJWs, they'll just force their opinions to the people and send their zombies to scare them into believing their nonsense, no matter how wrong they are. Why are they only complaining just now about some of the characters of Baldur's Gate who are controversial when no one complained about it when Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 were launched? Because in today's society, people will complain about everything just to have their 15 minutes of fame.

And Beamdog supporting her response is a slap to the face of their fans, especially those who played the original games.
About Amber Scott.

I don't care about SJWs or how she wanted to express her personality and opinions in her writing. I have utmost respect for writers, being one of them. I used to write actively about 10-15 years ago. I had around 10.000 fans who were spamming me for the next episode of the stories. I love writing and I encourage people to write, no matter how bad it is. Especially females since they have a different perspective and taste.

But.. a big BUT....

Amber Scott was not only a bad writer bad also a bad person. We have a saying in Turkish. "Even a dog does not piss on its dinner plate". Meaning we should respect things that provide us food. Amber did just that. She insulted the very product she is known for by calling it sexist and not modern. That made me furious. Who the hell does she think she is that BG series need fixing?

I wish her a blissful life far far away from the games we love.
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Engerek01: About Amber Scott.

I don't care about SJWs or how she wanted to express her personality and opinions in her writing. I have utmost respect for writers, being one of them. I used to write actively about 10-15 years ago. I had around 10.000 fans who were spamming me for the next episode of the stories. I love writing and I encourage people to write, no matter how bad it is. Especially females since they have a different perspective and taste.

But.. a big BUT....

Amber Scott was not only a bad writer bad also a bad person. We have a saying in Turkish. "Even a dog does not piss on its dinner plate". Meaning we should respect things that provide us food. Amber did just that. She insulted the very product she is known for by calling it sexist and not modern. That made me furious. Who the hell does she think she is that BG series need fixing?

I wish her a blissful life far far away from the games we love.
If she can't take criticism from other people regarding her bad writing, then she doesn't deserve to write in the hopes that people would believe her.

The Baldur's Gate community will forever identify her as an SJW who forces her audience to like her beliefs or you will be branded as sexist.
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makaikishi: The Baldur's Gate community will forever identify her as an SJW who forces her audience to like her beliefs or you will be branded as sexist.
Cue a change of name (nom de plume).
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plan99: Maybe you're right, maybe not, but it always seems like you're making an excuse not to do something. Either way, they're clearly making it sound like GOG was part of this. Don't waste time and effort in forums, other than being a place to talk about ideas or let off steam, lol, it hasn't done a bit of good. Take it to GOG support and we'll see what happens - they can thank Beamdog for the deluge. My experience with support, so far:
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Stig79: Making an excuse not to do something? Not sure what you mean. I have contacted Beamdog several times asking for explanations.

What Beamdog is saying isn't true. It wasn't GoG or WOTC that were behind the bundling it was Beamdog. They are trying to push some blame over to GoG now. Last year they were blaming WOTC for it all over the place.

http://imgh.us/Julius_1.png Have a look at this little thing. He wasn't the only one who made statements like this, by the way. Have a look at their forums and you will find plenty.
Well, first, I'll say I've never seen the point in contacting Beamdog - they obviously prefer not to have the competition of the classics.

If what Beamdog are saying about GOG in this very thread isn't true, then it seems to me that there's all the more reason to let GOG know your upset IF this is true. I would think GOG would have a problem with someone lying to and trying to anger/alienate their (GOG's) customers against them on their own site (who knows with GOG, anymore, though). GOG doesn't seem to pay much attention to complaints in forums, but if enough people contact them directly...

Other than that, I'm trying to encourage people to do something and you always seem to have that "Oh, don't bother because 'they' said 'that'" attitude. That negativity turns people off from even trying (@Hickory - I really enjoy your humor, but I think it's causing a similar problem - no point for people to bother). Yes, bother. Bother GOG, bother Hasbro (who OWN the rights, not Beamdog) and possibly go to the BBB, like someone suggested in my thread. I asked for some help on that because I just don't have much time, but got none.

The thing is, if as many people as possible don't bother (and CONTINUE to bother) EVERYONE that *might* be able to do something, nothing will happen. Beamdog will NOT do anything. The other's may or may not be able to do anything, but we'll never know (we'll lose before we even begin) unless AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE try! C'mon, people (I'm looking at you lurkers, too, lol), give it a try if you care about the classics being sold separately!

I'm of the same mind/thinking as and [url=https://www.gog.com/forum/baldurs_gate_series/info_on_possibly_getting_the_classics_unbundled/post41]Valerie.377. You know what was said there, but plenty of people don't.
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plan99: @Hickory - I really enjoy your humor, but I think it's causing a similar problem - no point for people to bother.
Nah, nobody listens to me, but they *do* like to down-rep me. Well, the cowardly Beamdog apologist lurkers do, anyway. :D
/sarcasm
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Stig79: Making an excuse not to do something? Not sure what you mean. I have contacted Beamdog several times asking for explanations.

What Beamdog is saying isn't true. It wasn't GoG or WOTC that were behind the bundling it was Beamdog. They are trying to push some blame over to GoG now. Last year they were blaming WOTC for it all over the place.

http://imgh.us/Julius_1.png Have a look at this little thing. He wasn't the only one who made statements like this, by the way. Have a look at their forums and you will find plenty.
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plan99: Well, first, I'll say I've never seen the point in contacting Beamdog - they obviously prefer not to have the competition of the classics.

If what Beamdog are saying about GOG in this very thread isn't true, then it seems to me that there's all the more reason to let GOG know your upset IF this is true. I would think GOG would have a problem with someone lying to and trying to anger/alienate their (GOG's) customers against them on their own site (who knows with GOG, anymore, though). GOG doesn't seem to pay much attention to complaints in forums, but if enough people contact them directly...

Other than that, I'm trying to encourage people to do something and you always seem to have that "Oh, don't bother because 'they' said 'that'" attitude. That negativity turns people off from even trying (@Hickory - I really enjoy your humor, but I think it's causing a similar problem - no point for people to bother). Yes, bother. Bother GOG, bother Hasbro (who OWN the rights, not Beamdog) and possibly go to the BBB, like someone suggested in my thread. I asked for some help on that because I just don't have much time, but got none.

The thing is, if as many people as possible don't bother (and CONTINUE to bother) EVERYONE that *might* be able to do something, nothing will happen. Beamdog will NOT do anything. The other's may or may not be able to do anything, but we'll never know (we'll lose before we even begin) unless AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE try! C'mon, people (I'm looking at you lurkers, too, lol), give it a try if you care about the classics being sold separately!

I'm of the same mind/thinking as and [url=https://www.gog.com/forum/baldurs_gate_series/info_on_possibly_getting_the_classics_unbundled/post41]Valerie.377. You know what was said there, but plenty of people don't.
I don't tell people not to "bother". Where did I say that?

As for GoG. I do suspect all the backlash from the bundling of the BG games etc, and Beamdog blaming GoG, has lead to GoG "mentioning" this to Beamdog. Hence their announcement about the whole thing.

I very much doubt Beamdog did it on their own accord.

I e-mailed WOTC about the bundling 2-3 times earlier this year. Never got a reply from them. The reason wh I did it? Beamdog told me and others, on their own forums, to talk to Hasbro about it. Because Beamdog wasn't behind the bundling at all...

Anyone ever see a company screw around with their customers as much as Beamdog has been doing? I don't think I ever have.
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plan99: @Hickory - I really enjoy your humor, but I think it's causing a similar problem - no point for people to bother.
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Hickory: Nah, nobody listens to me, but they *do* like to down-rep me. Well, the cowardly Beamdog apologist lurkers do, anyway. :D
/sarcasm
I listen! I listen intently! And I blindly trust everything you say.
Post edited July 15, 2017 by Stig79
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plan99: Other than that, I'm trying to encourage people to do something and you always seem to have that "Oh, don't bother because 'they' said 'that'" attitude. That negativity turns people off from even trying. Yes, bother. Bother GOG, bother Hasbro (who OWN the rights, not Beamdog) and possibly go to the BBB, like someone suggested in my thread.
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Stig79: I don't tell people not to "bother". Where did I say that?
You didn't say it. I was giving an example of an attitude I felt you were projecting that wasn't encouraging or productive right after, and in reply to, my posts where I was trying to encourage people to DO something positive and constructive. Negativity is NOT going to help, here. You may not see it as being very negative, but I, and I think others, do.

As an example, you seem to be concentrating more on what you perceive to be a slight against you when I'm, simply, trying to explain that positive GROUP ACTION has the best chance for any results. I'm sorry if you felt slighted, that's not my intention, but I'm not only trying to encourage others to "get out there and give 'em hell' (them, being anyone, including GOG that *might*, no guarantees, *might* be in a position to free these imprisoned classics, lol), but, also, to get you to help with that. You have a lot to say and I believe you could do a lot of good in that direction.

Let me put it this way (to you and everyone). The classics have been imprisoned and it's your task to free them... ;)
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plan99: I'm not only trying to encourage others to "get out there and give 'em hell' (them, being anyone, including GOG that *might*, no guarantees, *might* be in a position to free these imprisoned classics, lol), but, also, to get you to help with that. You have a lot to say and I believe you could do a lot of good in that direction.

Let me put it this way (to you and everyone). The classics have been imprisoned and it's your task to free them... ;)
Forgive me if this seems pedantic, but I advise anyone voicing their complaints to be as polite & neutral as possible.

Modern day discourse must be extremely objective, literal & clear, because a certain segment of the population has managed to suck all form of hyperbole out of generic conversations.

If you do not measure your words carefully, they WILL latch on to any detail, however minute and/or insignificant & turn it against you. They have learned this technique & they use it repeatedly.

We all know what "giving them hell" means, but let's not forget their professional victim mentality. This wording is easily corruptible into harassment.

I'm truly sorry for being so dry, but do not forget what happened the last time someone mentioned a transsexual character. We must learn & defeat them by their own rules. It's the only way to beat an ideology.
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Hickory: Nah, nobody listens to me, but they *do* like to down-rep me. Well, the cowardly Beamdog apologist lurkers do, anyway. :D
/sarcasm
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Stig79: I listen! I listen intently! And I blindly trust everything you say.
Careful. Some readers might actually believe you.
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Stig79: I don't tell people not to "bother". Where did I say that?
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plan99: You didn't say it. I was giving an example of an attitude I felt you were projecting that wasn't encouraging or productive right after, and in reply to, my posts where I was trying to encourage people to DO something positive and constructive. Negativity is NOT going to help, here. You may not see it as being very negative, but I, and I think others, do.

As an example, you seem to be concentrating more on what you perceive to be a slight against you when I'm, simply, trying to explain that positive GROUP ACTION has the best chance for any results. I'm sorry if you felt slighted, that's not my intention, but I'm not only trying to encourage others to "get out there and give 'em hell' (them, being anyone, including GOG that *might*, no guarantees, *might* be in a position to free these imprisoned classics, lol), but, also, to get you to help with that. You have a lot to say and I believe you could do a lot of good in that direction.

Let me put it this way (to you and everyone). The classics have been imprisoned and it's your task to free them... ;)
Well I don't think people should be cheerful about being lied to by a company that has "imprisoned" some of the best rpgs ever made :)

In that infamous Kotaku interview the Beamdog CEO says that their plan is to "improve" more and more classics like this. and then move on to their own product. Their end goal is, and always has been, Baldur's Gate 3. Keep that in mind. They are going to make a sequel to a series that pretty much has a perfect ending. Probably the most un-needed sequel out there.