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Gilozard: Honestly, you probably live near some of those people. There are surprisingly creepy misogynists all around. Most men aren't aware because they don't get harassed. It's just not a thing that happens to most guys.

Statistically in the US, 1 in 4 to 1 in 10 women is sexually assaulted. 1 in 10 to 1 in 20 men admits to performing some act of sexual assault. The numbers are vague but pretty scary, even on the lower ends. They don't even include the catcallers or people who think rape jokes are funny because rape is cool (fraternities, man. I'm sure there are some OK ones out there, but I had to walk down frat row to get home for 2 years and aaarrgh. This was at a very liberal university too).

If you know 50 women and 50 men, you probably know at least one person who should be on the sex offender registry, and at least a handful of people who were assaulted.

About jokes - it's like jokes about being black, or about IEDs in Iraq. Too often they're too true, too close to the bone for people who haven't gone through it to make them without being offensive. There's a lot of stuff to joke about. Don't pick subjects that can cause PTSD flashbacks. That's just a jerk move.
Proof please, and I would like to know what survey question they ask. Something like "Have you ever felt pressured into having sex?"

Also just because it has sex scenes in Witcher 3, your crystal ball tell you that it is going to be rape scenes? Or having sex automatically becomes rape? If so you should sent your parents to jail for having you.
"The Witcher 3 has 16 hours of sex scenes"
Yeah but knowing CD Projekt RED, we will probably have to play through 3 bloody times to see them all.
So...downloadable extra in 1080p/4k?

=P
So... now both 'conservative' people and 'progressive' people are against sex? :)
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Gilozard: I also wish the Witcher had less sex. It seems like the kind of game I'd love, but not if I have to deal with objectification like this. Optional sex would work too - why is CD Projekt too lazy to add a checkbox to the Options menu so people can opt into this?
I'd like to point out that I don't remember a single instance of sex scene in the Witcher games which wasn't optional. Oh wait, there was the beginning of The Witcher 2, but that wasn't a sex scene either - Geralt was just lying in bed with a female character, talking about a dream. So yeah, all sex is optional and consensual. Which makes it rape, clearly.

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Gilozard: It means that jokes about rape are OK.
You do realize the point of vast majority of humor is satire and critical social commentary, right?
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budejovice: But denying the existence of a society that makes rape easy, tolerated, and rarely punished seems to me to be walking around with at least one eye closed.
All I know is society where rape is considered a heinous crime. It's fine tho, we've got a sufficient amount of people using skewed studies and terms like "Rape culture" to belittle and broaden it as much as humanly possible.
Post edited January 29, 2015 by Fenixp
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tinyE: WTF is the "rape culture"?
I think he's talking about rap culture. And I agree, it's definitely a problem!



( J/K. Mostly. :P )
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Gnostic: Proof please, and I would like to know what survey question they ask. Something like "Have you ever felt pressured into having sex?"
The 1 in 4 number stems from a survey from Mary Koss. Whether it is accurate or not... Well, I'll just leave this here:

[i]Koss’s study had serious flaws. Her survey instrument was highly ambiguous, as University of California at Berkeley social-welfare professor Neil Gilbert has pointed out. But the most powerful refutation of Koss’s research came from her own subjects: 73 percent of the women whom she characterized as rape victims said that they hadn’t been raped. Further—though it is inconceivable that a raped woman would voluntarily have sex again with the fiend who attacked her—42 percent of Koss’s supposed victims had intercourse again with their alleged assailants.

All subsequent feminist rape studies have resulted in this discrepancy between the researchers’ conclusions and the subjects’ own views. A survey of sorority girls at the University of Virginia found that only 23 percent of the subjects whom the survey characterized as rape victims felt that they had been raped—a result that the university’s director of Sexual and Domestic Violence Services calls “discouraging.”

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In short, believing in the campus rape epidemic depends on ignoring women’s own interpretations of their experiences—supposedly the most grievous sin in the feminist political code.[/i]

It could also refer to the more recent controversial CDC statistics.

And just for fun, here is what RAINN has to say about "rape culture" --

[i]In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campuses. While it is helpful to point out
the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important to not lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime.

While that may seem an obvious point, it has tended to get lost in recent debates. This has led to an inclination to focus on particular segments of the student population (e.g., athletes), particular aspects of campus culture (e.g., the Greek system), or traits that are common in many millions of law - abiding Americans (e.g., “masculinity”), rather than on the subpopulation at fault: those who choose to commit rape. This trend has the paradoxical effect of making it harder to stop sexual violence, since it removes the focus from the individual at fault, and seemingly mitigates personal responsibility for his or her own actions. [/i]
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phaolo: Your standards in games:
- murder -> that's cool! :D
- sex -> shame on you! :O
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Gilozard: That's a lot of assumptions there.

1) Why do you think violence and sex are the same thing or have the same impact on people?
2) Do you actually know what the OP thinks, or are you just strawmanning?
Violence and sex are the same thing? Who said that?
I'm just saying that if he's now offended by some virtual boob, he should have noticed the virtual violence first, which is worst, and probably have avoided 90% of the existing media already (but not censor it for other adults).

Also, rape "culture" is bulls**t. As if watching some hot women could turn people into criminals..

That said, I could agree that too much (non optional) fanservice is annoying and usually ruins plots.
Post edited January 29, 2015 by phaolo
Do really the Witcher games objectify women? I do find incredibly stupid male chauvinism like for instance in rap culture and such, with those "yo ma bitch" lyrics and all, but at the same time, I fail to see how automatically "naked woman=sex object".

I have the first Witcher in my backlog but have still to try it. So, do women appear only as hookers or bimbos? not a single female strong character?
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tinyE: WTF is the "rape culture"?
Something to do with "rape centers"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYX0mR200FA#t=25

Anyway, I hope Anita Sarkeesian takes The Witcher 3 in her fangs, that should really boost the sales.

Other than that, I'm not really looking forward to "sex scenes" in games. The gameplay in those sections will probably suck anyway, feeling so unrealistic.
Post edited January 29, 2015 by timppu
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svmariscal: I have the first Witcher in my backlog but have still to try it. So, do women appear only as hookers or bimbos? not a single female strong character?
There's a bunch of strong female characters in the original Witcher, at least three being essential for the storyline, and not as damsels in distress. The issue with the first game is that for having sex with NPCs, you quite literally get collectible cards with naked pics of women, which even I found a bit distasteful. Still, all of sex in both games is optional, and you don't have to partake in it if you don't want to.

And yes, second game contains a strong female hooker.
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Fenixp: . Still, all of sex in both games is optional,
I don't know, Geralt is nearly raped by one of them, I'm not sure if you can stop her having her evil way with him.
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olnorton: I don't know, Geralt is nearly raped by one of them, I'm not sure if you can stop her having her evil way with him.
I'm fairly sure you can avoid that one as well. Still, Witcher supports rape culture!
16 hours does indeed sound quite a lot. Excessive foreplay?

I hope The Witcher 4 will have more "quickies", and the amount of sex scenes can be reduced to e.g. a couple of hours with advanced time compression algorithms.
Post edited January 29, 2015 by timppu
Isn't sex in The WItcher consensual? How does that support the so called "rape culture"?
And,as others said,video game violence is a-ok but sex is "oh my god think of the children" in your book.