See - that's what I'm talking about - Poe's Law. I can try to construct an overblown strawman/strawoman, but people still won't consider it ridiculous enough to be obvious sarcasm.
I was trying to emphasize hypocrisy, BTW. "Some people from X do evil? Bad apples. Some people from Y do evil? That's what the group is ABOUT". With that being said - I'm disappointed that you'd seriously consider the possibility of me becoming so braindead as to utter such obvious nonsense while truly believing it. I may have my shortcomings, but being illogical or stupid are not among them.

I was pretty certain your were being sarcastic. I just wanted to talk about brain slugs :P. Also, it's obvious nonsense, but it's nonsense that I've seen spouted in complete seriousness. You have to be hammy to the point of oinking to satirize that sort of rhetoric rather than just repeat it.

And yes, I completely agree. Nobody who identifies themselves with any ideology or group (pretty much all of which have some sort of black mark on their history or bad apples) has any right to demonize others for identifying with a different ideology/group that has bad things done in its name, UNLESS you can make a case for how the core beliefs of said ideology/group are what caused those actions in the first place.

That's the raison d'être for the term "SJW". It's clearly and separately defined, so that people won't get lumped into it by association or confuse it with anything else... Unlike using "gamer" to mean "misogynist shitlord who happens to play games" as suggested by one bright soul in a bygone thread.
I digress. Also - we're monopolizing the discussion (again!), so I'll shut up now and let people resume explaining why 16 hours of footage doesn't equal 16 hours of content, and why consensual sex does not constitute nor promote rape.

Sounds fair.

>Goober Gobblers

What are you, twelve?

Those are good. Willie Wonka makes those.

BTW I think he's referring to "Freaks" and if that's the case he means to say, "clique" or in a stronger vein "sheep".

Of course in the movie it's meant to be uplifting indicating that someone has been accepted into the fold and is loved. Seeing as the poster seems to mean it in a negative light I recommend they go back and rewatch the movie.

...never change, tinyE. Never ever change. :)

16 hours isn't enough! Let's go for a full marathon of 24 hours of content!

Oh please. Dworkin is a 'founder' of modern feminism in much the same way Ayn Rand is a 'founder' of social liberalism i.e. not at all. They're both just cranks who get used as strawpeople to reinforce bad stereotypes and shut down discussions.

Modern feminism is varies from 'have sex if you want' to 'sexual expression is a form of liberty'. L2Research before spouting off kthanx.


I'm just tired of NUUDDES needing to be in every 'serious' RPG. It seems like they're trying to attract the lowest common denominator. I want a deep, interesting RPG where I don't need to deal with no-clothes moments if I don't want to. The way Witcher games have historically treated women and relationships (ex, sex cards) is really unattractive. It's frustrating that the game seems like something I could really like, but it's likely to have dealbreaker problems.

I do like the way you completely ignored several posts pointing out that the sex scenes indeed are avoidable and optional. I'd also like to point out that the way The Witcher treats relationships is way deeper than that, what you're talking about is how it treats casual sex.

The way in which you present your opinion also makes me believe you behave on gossip as opposed to actual experience. Which is absolutely your right of course, but using sentences like "The way Witcher games have historically treated women" without aknowledging that the Witcher games had a few of my absolute favourite female characters in videogames makes you sound a little ... Ignorant? I don't know how to put it politely, sorry.

Learn to research? You are an idiot. I did my research where is yours? Oh right, you are just so smart that everyone should just listen to YOU.

Anita Saarkesian - words that could easily be said by Andrea Dworkin...
"players are meant to derive a perverse pleasure from desecrating the bodies of unsuspecting virtual characters. It's a rush streaming from a carefully concocted mix of sexual arousal connected to the act of controlling and punishing representations of female sexuality"

Let's just enjoy the tittays and all be friends, shall we?

I like the color green, therefore I must like all other colors. Preferences be damned.

Not just talking about sex scenes. That's why I specifically said 'nudes' and not 'sex scenes'.

The opening scene of Witcher 3 is apparently a bathing scene. With nudity, because people don't bathe with clothes on. That's the kind of thing I want to be optional. AFAIK it's the opening scene that everyone sees on starting the game. If there's an option to make everyone, at all points, have at least underwear, I haven't heard that.

How optional are the sex scenes really? In DA:Inquisition, they're an integral part of the relationships. So RPG content (NPC relationships) is locked behind a sex-gate, which I find just as annoying as time-gates or cash-gates. I totally want to make a vashoth mage who gets together with iron Bull, but to do that I have to participate in content I find offensive. I want an option to say 'Please, no sex scenes' and still participate in the RPG content. If the Witcher 3 sex scenes are like that, then I wouldn't really call them optional. Game content demands encountering them to experience the content.

It's not really feasible to expect someone to read every post in a thread. Especially one with trolls and insults (not you, other people here). If someone has posted here about how exactly the Witcher nude scenes work, I've missed it. Going by franchise history, I don't think they're likely to have the options I want.

No one can deny that the Witcher games have had very problematic portrayals of women, sex and relationships. Having awesome female characters does not excuse them from this, in the same way that having gay friends doesn't excuse a person using 'faggot' as an insult. Games, and people, can be great in some ways and mess up in other ways.

P.S. Your post was perfectly polite. Thanks for being rational and mature about our disagreement. :)

Hmm... Tittays...
Oh wait. BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!