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Gilozard: ...
All right, I suppose when talking nudity, there are at least three scenes in the Witcher 2 and one in the original that you might see without a warning. You might also not see them at all - it's just the storyline path in which you might get to see them is completely unrelated. On the other hand, I would say that only one of all of those is just meaningless pandering, the rest do serve a purpose in the game's storytelling.

As for the sex, while it's avoidable, I'm unsure as to how clearly are Geralt's responces written so you may avoid them. I do know you can tho.

To the topic at hand tho - personally, I am glad the nakedness is in the game, as it does serve a purpose. It has a place and there is a point to from storytelling perspective and character development. I do know you've made a remark that you dislike the way 'adult' RPGs attempt to present nakedness as a part of 'adult' storytelling, making it sound as if it were there just to feel mature. I don't think that's the case tho - for the most part, it's there because it fits. With the character, with the scene at hand or with events which are currently occuring. All in all, it does feel like a shame to miss a game for superficial reasoning such as "We can see skin!", but ultimately, it is your decision to make.

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Gilozard: How optional are the sex scenes really?
Just as with everything in the Witcher games, locking out one branch of content opens up another. However, I do not believe you may pursue a relationship in the game without a sex scene. Well one will be pursued for you anyhow, just... Not as openly.

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Gilozard: It's not really feasible to expect someone to read every post in a thread.
They were made as a direct responce to your post :-P But I suppose you must have just managed to miss them.
Post edited February 05, 2015 by Fenixp
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k1bell: Hmm... Tittays...
Oh wait. BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!
But don't children/babies need milk meaning they need titties? :P
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Gilozard: ...
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Fenixp: All right, I suppose when talking nudity, there are at least three scenes in the Witcher 2 and one in the original that you might see without a warning. You might also not see them at all - it's just the storyline path in which you might get to see them is completely unrelated. On the other hand, I would say that only one of all of those is just meaningless pandering, the rest do serve a purpose in the game's storytelling.

As for the sex, while it's avoidable, I'm unsure as to how clearly are Geralt's responces written so you may avoid them. I do know you can tho.

To the topic at hand tho - personally, I am glad the nakedness is in the game, as it does serve a purpose. It has a place and there is a point to from storytelling perspective and character development. I do know you've made a remark that you dislike the way 'adult' RPGs attempt to present nakedness as a part of 'adult' storytelling, making it sound as if it were there just to feel mature. I don't think that's the case tho - for the most part, it's there because it fits. With the character, with the scene at hand or with events which are currently occuring. All in all, it does feel like a shame to miss a game for superficial reasoning such as "We can see skin!", but ultimately, it is your decision to make.

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Gilozard: How optional are the sex scenes really?
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Fenixp: Just as with everything in the Witcher games, locking out one branch of content opens up another. However, I do not believe you may pursue a relationship in the game without a sex scene. Well one will be pursued for you anyhow, just... Not as openly.

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Gilozard: It's not really feasible to expect someone to read every post in a thread.
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Fenixp: They were made as a direct responce to your post :-P But I suppose you must have just managed to miss them.
Yeah, that's why I avoided the previous Witcher games despite some of the features sounding awesome. Non-optional nudity and content gated by sex scenes. No one is really talking about the Witcher 3 yet, so I've sloted it with Skyrim and DA:I in the check-back-for-mods-and-updates box.

I can see the argument that 'adult' relationships in games should have 'adult' content, but I don't agree. If I wanted that kind of thing, there are other venues. I prefer gaming without it. And I honestly think it's lazy storytelling. If a point can't be made without nudity, then the storyteller isn't doing a good job of reflecting how people really communicate. This is just my opinion so YMMV.

As to 'missing' the games...there's a lot of games out there. Not to mention books, music, friends, etc. I'm not lacking for entertainment. Just like I avoid games with DRM, I avoid games that gate content with things I don't like. It's irritating that someone packages features I really do enjoy with features I really don't like, but I can't exactly say that I'm missing anything when there's so much else to do. Some people consider not liking DRM a foolish reason to avoid Steam games, but a lot of people buy from GOG for just that reason.

If a thread starts going downhill I just stop checking it and come back to the latest posts a few days later. I have better things to do than engage with angry ranting, and unfortunately GOG's forum doesn't let people keep track of the thread without also running into arguments they don't want to engage in. We really need better forum software.
Post edited February 05, 2015 by Gilozard
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Gilozard: Yeah, that's why I avoided the previous Witcher games despite some of the features sounding awesome. Non-optional nudity and content gated by sex scenes. No one is really talking about the Witcher 3 yet, so I've sloted it with Skyrim and DA:I in the check-back-for-mods-and-updates box.
Oh I think you misunderstood what I was saying - the entirety of Witcher games are built around the idea that choices you make sticking with you and changing what happens around you. What you were talking of in DA is that there is a part of the game which cuts off entirely if you do not wish to participate in a romance. In Witcher, when you do participate in romance, some parts and dialogues are different than if you did not. In other words, participating in a romance gates off content which is raised by not participating, and not participating gates off content which is raised by participating. It's a choice, just like anything else in the game, and choosing to go in one direction will deprive you of the other direction.

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Gilozard: And I honestly think it's lazy storytelling. If a point can't be made without nudity, then the storyteller isn't doing a good job of reflecting how people really communicate.
I'm sorry, but that's just... Look, let me put it this way: If you believe that nudity and sex doesn't belong to rutine way in which humans communicate, you're either just a tad naive or don't have a good understanding of human communication. Both nudity and sex are used as unique and distinct means of communication on regular basis, by vast majority of people, knowingly or unknowingly. They're not as common as good old words, but they're used and abused just as any other form of communication. In my eyes, it's actually a big failure of writing if you fail to recognize this fact. The only argument you can really make is that you play videogames to escape reality, not to see a different version of it - and I definitely can respect that. I also understand that games are a bit hit and miss in this area. Thing is, the only way for the medium to grow is to keep experimenting and to keep failing in various regards until it learns and evolves - not to ignore aspects which are uncomforbale for some.

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Gilozard: As to 'missing' the games
Well you're the one who said you'd love the games, I'm just building on that :-)
Post edited February 05, 2015 by Fenixp
Henrik Johannenson. What do you have to say about this comment?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comicsandcosplay/comics/critical-miss/12930-The-Witcher-Sixteen-Hours-of-Love
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Gilozard: snip
And there goes the same "lazy" lazy storytelling argument. The other "lazy" argument that the games should avoid such topics for the enjoyment of all. Where the end result are a whole bunch of vanilla games which avoid any controversy whatsoever.

The typical SJW censorship argument...
"We don't want to censor the games, but the games shouldn't have any content we find objectionable."

In other words double-speak.

My advice, if nudity, romance and sex are not your thing, there are plenty of games without it. Play those and let those who don't have a problem with these things, play the Witcher games. There are hundreds, if not thousands of games out there. Rather than your vain attempt to take content away from others, wouldn't your time be better spent finding and playing games you don't find an issue with?
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Gilozard: snip
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RWarehall: And there goes the same "lazy" lazy storytelling argument. The other "lazy" argument that the games should avoid such topics for the enjoyment of all. Where the end result are a whole bunch of vanilla games which avoid any controversy whatsoever.

The typical SJW censorship argument...
"We don't want to censor the games, but the games shouldn't have any content we find objectionable."

In other words double-speak.

My advice, if nudity, romance and sex are not your thing, there are plenty of games without it. Play those and let those who don't have a problem with these things, play the Witcher games. There are hundreds, if not thousands of games out there. Rather than your vain attempt to take content away from others, wouldn't your time be better spent finding and playing games you don't find an issue with?
I said that I was disappointed it did, and that this content makes the game uninteresting to me despite it having many things I would really like. I think you need to learn to read better instead of making assumptions.

Posting my opinion on a commercial product != 'trying to take it away from others'. Or censorship. Do the people posting how much they love Steam or GOG magically make the other store disappear? No. But some people prefer one, and some the other. Same here. Having an opinion that differs from yours is not the same as magically reaching through the internet and 'censoring' anything.