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Valdasaar: It is a pity that so few are interested in this topic and are willing to write down the pedition.
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Darvond: Look, I'm just going to call you out as the obvious sockpuppet/plant that you are.
Please, have a look at all these posts:

https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/bzwei_wolfensteintitel_erscheinen_jetzt_drmfrei_auf_gogcom_mit_bis_zu_70b_e32ff/post42
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/bdishonoredreiheb_jetzt_auf_gogcom_acc2a/post51
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/in_entwicklung_bbesiegeb_d91a5/post16
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_btropico_6_und_the_llama_of_wall_street_dlcb_693ed/post30
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/kingdom_come_deliverence_dlcs/post18
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bpathfinder_kingmakerb_4ac1b/post24
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bthe_longingb_6c36f/post5
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bfarmers_dynastyb_c8be8/post15
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bstellaris_federations_dlcb_2b135/post3
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/bdas_23_update_fur_no_mans_sky_ist_endlich_da_mit_einem_angebot_bis_zu_50b_6b968/post5
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bdeep_sky_derelicts_definitive_editionb_bb1c3/post4
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bx4_split_vendettab_ce52f/post3
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/bno_mans_land_erhalt_ein_exomechupdateb_0c288/post7
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_biratus_lord_of_the_deadb_fc4a6/post15
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_vaporum_69ff9/post10
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/release_balders_bloodb_e0dbf/post3
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bdandara_trials_of_fear_editionb_d3c0b/post3
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bthe_shatteringb_c8081/post4
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/bdie_entwicklung_von_iratus_lord_of_the_dead_ist_abgeschlossenb_4ee34/post3
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_btropico_6_spitter_dlcb_63b02/post4
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/vorbestellung_bdestroy_all_humansb_cff1b/post10
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bstreets_of_rage_4b_d7ff0/post3
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/in_entwicklung_bstoneshardb_87fbb/post3
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/bald_erhaltlich_bcrossroads_innb_2d073/post37
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_brailway_empire_down_under_dlcb_c254a/post3
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bdeadly_daysb_5901e/post4
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/in_entwicklung_batom_rpg_trudogradb_4fb63/post4
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bdisco_elysiumb_9fb9a/post29
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bthe_infectious_madness_of_doctor_dekkerb_8beb0/post6
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bmetro_exodusb_5a90c/post5
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bpreyb_81e44/post15
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_blife_is_strange_and_life_is_strange_before_the_stormb_11917/post10
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/vorbestellung_bdesperados_iii_digital_deluxe_editionb_5e292/post11
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bdesperados_iiib_e4ca1/post14
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bthe_infectious_madness_of_doctor_dekkerb_8beb0/post6
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bwest_of_deadb_4d2b8/post3
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bthe_legend_of_heroes_trails_of_cold_steelb_bdlcb_8fa55/post18
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/bfrostpunk_erhalt_endlosmodus_in_kostenlosem_updateb_6d830/post8
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_fell_seal_barbiters_mark_missions_and_monsters_dlcb_27e2d/post5
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/neuerscheinung_bspongebob_squarepants_battle_for_bikini_bottom_rehydratedb_6f4ff/post10
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/bchildren_of_morta_erhalt_ein_update_bergsons_houseb_2e69d/post3

The same person is responsible for Valdasaar's current reputation of -295.
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Time4Tea: You've got to be shitting me? Physical presence ... for a website?! :O

(note: nothing wrong with Poland at all. It's a great country, I've been there)
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Darvond: Go ahead, browse the job postings. You'll notice each one of them has that as a "one last thing" that turns a good prospect into a hat stomp.

Every last listing has this phrase: "The hired individual will need to work in-house, in our office based in Warsaw, Poland."
Surely it must be adding quite a bit to their costs, if they are having to maintain physical office space for a website.
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DangerPlankton: Personally I prefer things as they are. You must have come across those times when one or two people decide to have a petty argument that gets out of hand almost destroying a thread others are trying to productively use. This system enables burying and deterring those posts.
If steam adopted the upvote/downvote system it perhaps wouldn't be the trollfest it is today. I believe the GoG forums are much more mature as a result.
Is there a petition to keep things as they are to help balance expressed opinion?
The old SPUF forums had a rep system.

And guess what? it was abused to hell and beyond.
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Zetikla: The old SPUF forums had a rep system.
And guess what? it was abused to hell and beyond.
Yes and they got rid of it instead of finding a way of filtering the trolls and now there are the steam forum issues that we have today as a result.
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Aannnd all red again. Lol.

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paladin181: Uh, you just make a new report link, disable downvote.. Why would this be difficult?
Probably easy to do, but I think that the alt-bot-armies would then bomb the report button instead. Someone said that it's not automated anymore (X reports -> post/thread deleted), but I'm not sure it's true. I had reported a few spammers in the last few weeks to the mods and they answered later that it was already gone, so I'd assume the system works this way.
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CruddyHolly: It is even more of a pity that every post except the OP and every one you've made is low rated.

Maybe you're being targeted as a scapegoat because the cowards don't have the balls to actually participate in the discussion. Seems pretty suspicious otherwise.
Do you really really think the one behind this would be dumb enough to high rep all of their posts in the same thread they were down repping?

(And also if they have the power to do so to people's rep I do not think they would let their own rep sit at -200 something.)

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DangerPlankton: Although I am newly registered, I have followed (unregistered) the massive giveaways thread for a very long time, mainly to top up my steam, epic and itch accounts. Finkleroy came into that thread out of nowhere and seemed to go out if his way to derail it despite people either ignoring him or trying to get him back on topic. Go and take a look at that thread and you'll see what I mean, I still believe the downvotes he received there were justified.
I read their posts. The initial ones were just them telling others to not tell others what to post as long as it was ontopic. To me that is fine of them to ask.

Yes they went off topic after that, but until then their starting posts seemed to come from a good place.

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DangerPlankton: I have had considerable experience moderating other forums in the past (though neither gog nor steam) and I understand the trolling issue from the moderator and admin's side. If there was an easy fix, you can be sure it would already have been implemented by now.
From what I heard the forum was built by the lowest bidder and likely should have been replaced long ago. They seem to have thought in their wisdom that a new client was a better use of their money however.

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DangerPlankton: A petition is one way, but a company is not a democracy and GoG reserve the right to ignore it even if the whole community signed it. If you want to get something done, you need to come up with a solution that GoG hasn't already though of and that they are convinced will work and won't cost them too much time or money. Remember this is an issue for some of you but not an issue for GoG.
It is not a democracy, yet the forums are used to promote their games. If people here don't spread the word they sell less games as a result. This means they somewhat need the forum users as essentially free advertisement sources to some degree.

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DangerPlankton: I would still think finding solutions to keep trolls out in the first place would be better. In an ideal environment you wouldn't get troll downvotes only deserved ones. Imagine you posted a good point in another thread and someone made an unreasonable response attacking you for it. Downvoting that post, knowing others in the thread will do the same is an immediate action rather than summoning moderators who may or may not agree with you. (Note - reporting spam would not be appropriate as this is for reporting advertising, pornography etc).
The issue is many use the anonymous repping as a tool of attack against others. I believe the other user's suggestion earlier of public repping would work, as everyone would know who repped what. If they can do so and do so cheaply and efficiently is another matter however.

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DangerPlankton: Yes and they got rid of it instead of finding a way of filtering the trolls and now there are the steam forum issues that we have today as a result.
But with such posts it makes it easy for the moderation team to find and moderate problematic users.

Although if the moderation team did their jobs and upheld that one rule then we would not even have to have this discussion.
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Time4Tea: Surely it must be adding quite a bit to their costs, if they are having to maintain physical office space for a website.
Perhaps. I do not think they all work in the office at once. From what I have heard, it would seem gog gets tax breaks from having all paid workers in country, and that is why they ask workers to work there.
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Downvoters/ gog/ fanboys/ fangirls are silly here's why; If you don't address the chronic need for change in Gog people are going to curb their purchases or go elsewhere permanently. I've drastically scaled down titles I buy on Gog because of poor behaviour in the forums/ stream/ programming.

If you're going to downvote me for that your part of the problem instead of addressing the facts; even if you don't agree with somethings gog needs more actual programmers getting games on gog/ keeping them stable and updated and making sure the programming software is running fine not marketers.
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David9855: Downvoters/ gog/ fanboys/ fangirls are silly here's why; If you don't address the chronic need for change in Gog people are going to curb their purchases or go elsewhere permanently. I've drastically scaled down titles I buy on Gog because of poor behaviour in the forums/ stream/ programming.
It drives some away from the forums and from buying games and telling others about the games here. Yet gog staff does little to fix the issue and the company spends more money on galaxy.

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David9855: If you're going to downvote me for that your part of the problem instead of addressing the facts; even if you don't agree with somethings gog needs more actual programmers getting games on gog/ keeping them stable and updated and making sure the programming software is running fine not marketers.
People are not being down repped because some disagree with everyone here. People are likely being down repped by the ones op is talking about.

The ones who hide behind their screens and cowardly hit the little red buttons as they feel it gives them power.

(Speaking of this, your post I quoted here went low repped within approximately 3 minutes from when I started typing this to posting it. I feel they must have some sort of automated system, as that is the only way they could be doing such)

If gog made reps public and enforced their rule against rep manipulation I would assume most such down rep manipulation would go away rather quickly.
Post edited June 28, 2020 by BigBobsBeepers
I wouldn't be surprised at this stage if gog itself has a downvoting bot that downvoted posts that are regarded as anything but positive about gog at least that would explain the constant ignoring the problems from the company.

(I don't care about rep so much as I can about my opinion and the rights of others to speak their mind or have opinions regardless of if they are deemed right or wrong.)
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Darvond: Go ahead, browse the job postings. You'll notice each one of them has that as a "one last thing" that turns a good prospect into a hat stomp.

Every last listing has this phrase: "The hired individual will need to work in-house, in our office based in Warsaw, Poland."
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Time4Tea: Surely it must be adding quite a bit to their costs, if they are having to maintain physical office space for a website.
I'm only assuming, and let's not make an ass out of you and I, there's no proof that this is true. Pure speculation.
This is the same person from the German forum with multiaccounts thats steals my an another users reputation every day. Just take a look at this thread.
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DangerPlankton: *snip*
If you've been following the mass giveaway threads for a long time, you already know that what I said is accurate and needed to be said. You don't need to take one user's word for it. Actually look at my participation on this forum. It's right in front of you. Your recent registration date indicates that there is an excellent chance that you are a troll. You seem to know the forum quite well, and you have formed strong opinions based on this knowledge, and that's a huge red flag that you've created an alt account. If that's not the case, I'm sure you'll understand why we've assumed it is the case.
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finkleroy: I'm sure you'll understand why we've assumed it is the case.
Yes I understand why you assumed this is the case which is why I posted explaining that it isn't.

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finkleroy: there is an excellent chance that you are a troll
A troll is usually someone who sets out to pointlessly disrupt or derail threads (I'm guessing for fun or anger).

I have posted valid points and obstacles which you would need to take into account if you want the downvote problem to go away. If you disagree with my points, you need to give valid reasons why. I am happy to listen, and with you greater experience with the problem, also happy to change my mind if convinced.

However simply remaining adversarial and trying to undermine my credibility as an alternative to taking these points into consideration and responding to them rationally will not make the points less valid or go away and will not help you in what you are trying to achieve here.

My point for you to respond to (if you wish to, please don't take this as me telling you what to do): I did also had the same problem in steam, but since they removed the downvote system most of the forum there has become an unmoderated train wreck. I have seen other forums also go the same way, albeit nowhere nearly as bad as it did in steam, but still often creating a bad environment and plenty of threads getting derailed, not only by trolls but by regular users getting angry with each other. I have noticed in this very thread at least 2 potential flame wars rise up and then fizzle out - so the potential is definitely there.

But there may be valid reasons you can give based on your experience here why this forum would be guaranteed not to go the same way, even though gog are unlikely to want to increase the number of moderators or their time.
Post edited June 29, 2020 by DangerPlankton
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DangerPlankton: *snip*
We both agree that something needs to be done about the situation, and I think that's the important thing. If we disagree on how they need to go about addressing the issue, that's fine. I've upvoted you for your meaningful contributions to the discussion. From my perspective, if the only way GOG can fix this issue is to replace the forum software entirely, that's what needs to happen. I understand that GOG doesn't really make a lot of money, but its parent company can surely spend a little of that Witcher/Cyberpunk money on it if they really feel like it. I think they should start feeling like it.