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Valdasaar: Unfortunately we will never find out who is behind it
What might be the explanation why in this Thread , every single one of your posts is either high rated or unaffected , while every single other post in the whole Thread is downvoted , Would you care to explain ?
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Valdasaar: Unfortunately we will never find out who is behind it
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summitus: What might be the explanation why in this Thread , every single one of your posts is either high rated or unaffected , while every single other post in the whole Thread is downvoted , Would you care to explain ?
I have the feeling that the troll is the same one that is also in the German forum.
And who wants to attach the thing to me, or even suspect me.
Post edited June 28, 2020 by Valdasaar
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Strijkbout: Okay.... I have to pay $3 or share to sign a petition...WTF?

With schemes like this I'm really starting to question the OP's motives.
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finkleroy: You don't have to pay anything to sign the petition. You're telling everyone that they have to and that my intentions might not be genuine, then calling this a "scheme". Yeah, you're a troll who's upset that something's trying to be done about your disgusting behavior. Go away.
The whole reason I got that far was because I wanted to help you with your petition, but putting it on sites where they start begging for money and extorting personal information isn't going to help your cause.
The same could be said about your attitude.

Oh the irony.
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OMG, the situation here escalated quickly...
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I've been put off by this system. They should start tracking who does it.

WE WANT A REPRESENTATIVE OF GOG IN HERE.
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DangerPlankton: *snip*
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finkleroy: If you disagree that the terms of service rule against abusing the rep system should be enforced, you're undoubtedly a troll who wants to be able to continue to abuse the rep system, and therefore you need to leave the forum. Nobody wants you here. It's also a violation of GOG's terms of service to use multiple accounts to interact with the forum. By doing this, you're violating yet another of the rules in their terms of service.
It is unfortunate that your stance here is that either people support your opinion or are a troll and should leave. I gave valid reasons for my disagreement and I do not see any TOS being violated. I had been discussing with BigBobsBeepers and had come to the opinion this was not your usual behavior, however it now sadly appears that I am wrong. If you are not willing to entertain a rational debate on this matter (and at the very least provide the TOS which is being violated and how) then it is difficult to take you seriously.
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DangerPlankton: (and at the very least provide the TOS which is being violated and how)
https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001814049-Forum-Code-of-Conduct?product=gog

Seventh item under "We don't tolerate".
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TheMonkofDestiny: Seventh item under "We don't tolerate".
"Creating multiple accounts" is clearly a different issue to abusing a downvotes button. Like I stated earlier, finding a way to filter trolls is clearly the real issue, if you get rid of the downvote button without filtering them, they will simply find a different way to express themselves as they do is steam forums.
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DangerPlankton: "Creating multiple accounts" is clearly a different issue to abusing a downvotes button. Like I stated earlier, finding a way to filter trolls is clearly the real issue, if you get rid of the downvote button without filtering them, they will simply find a different way to express themselves as they do is steam forums.
I know what you're aiming for. I responded with that in context of your ask of him to provide the TOS and how he claims you're potentially violating it within the scope of his reply prior.

Whether you're using multiple accounts or not is something I honestly don't care too deeply about and you've seemed civil enough in the thread that I don't really get behind the idea of you being a troll.

This thread is a powder keg just waiting for someone to throw a match to it and that's without all the accusatory junk being peppered into it.
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TheMonkofDestiny: I know what you're aiming for. I responded with that in context of your ask of him to provide the TOS and how he claims you're potentially violating it within the scope of his reply prior.

Whether you're using multiple accounts or not is something I honestly don't care too deeply about and you've seemed civil enough in the thread that I don't really get behind the idea of you being a troll.

This thread is a powder keg just waiting for someone to throw a match to it and that's without all the accusatory junk being peppered into it.
Please don't let the counterguments deteriorate to personal attacks and accusations. My comment re 'you either agree or should be a troll and leave' wasn't just reflected in the OP's reply to me but also in his last post in the massive giveaways thread which wasnt aimed at me but said exactly the same thing.

There is no real reason why this thread should become a powder-keg, people here are more than capable of reasoning and responding rationally.

I still don't see which TOS are being violated and how as suggested in the OP.
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Strijkbout: The whole reason I got that far was because I wanted to help you with your petition, but putting it on sites where they start begging for money and extorting personal information isn't going to help your cause.
The same could be said about your attitude.

Oh the irony.
Who asked for money? Would you care to explain what you're talking about? It's free to sign the petition, and you don't even have to reveal the name you put on your account, which can be whatever you want. Anyone can sign it. Change.org attempts to verify that multiple accounts aren't created by the same user by asking for your e-mail address and phone number. If you want to make sure your private information isn't attached to your signature of the petition, you can do so. If you want to keep it private from change.org, you should realize that if they allowed that, their site would be open for abuse on a massive scale. If you don't want to receive e-mails from them, just opt out of their e-mails. It's right there in your account settings. I opted out of it right away and I've never received a single e-mail from them. I also obviously didn't use my real name on the petition.
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DangerPlankton: It is unfortunate that your stance here is that either people support your opinion or are a troll and should leave. I gave valid reasons for my disagreement and I do not see any TOS being violated. I had been discussing with BigBobsBeepers and had come to the opinion this was not your usual behavior, however it now sadly appears that I am wrong. If you are not willing to entertain a rational debate on this matter (and at the very least provide the TOS which is being violated and how) then it is difficult to take you seriously.
Either you just signed up for GOG, in which case your opinion is uninformed, or you created an alt account in order to interact with the forum with multiple accounts, which is a blatant TOS violation. Your have decided to personally attack me for stating that GOG should enforce their own TOS and that they should eliminate their rep system because it's constantly used by trolls to bully reasonable forum users. Yes, people who disagree with the statement that GOG should enforce their own rules and fix or remove their severely abused rep system need to leave the forum. Toxic trolls and their enablers are completely unwelcome here. This has been proven by the fact that about 98% of everyone who has weighed in on the subject agrees that something needs to be done about the situation. Even you agreed that something needs to be done about it. You either just got here, or, more likely, you're so scared to show us who you really are that you decided to create an alt account in order to interact with the forum with multiple accounts, which is a blatant violation of the terms of service.
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DangerPlankton: Please don't let the counterguments deteriorate to personal attacks and accusations.
Not attacking or accusing you. Unless seeing you as being civil is offensive, in which case I may need to re-evaluate my understanding of the word entirely.
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finkleroy: Even you agreed that something needs to be done about it.
OK ignoring all the irrelevant stuff in the post, you need to see this from the admin/moderator perspective if you are planning to change their mind. The normal approach for trolls is to start making abusive posts to the point where forums become a real pain to use productively. GoG is a business and as such will not be interested in increasing a budget for moderators if it can be avoided. They have implemented a sort of community-moderating system with the downvotes which makes this much simpler, but as you stated is open to abuse.

If the downvote system is removed, the trolls will start making abusive posts and moderators will have to be called in more and more often, requiring considerable more moderation time.

If you want GoG to take notice of your proposition, you need to firstly clearly state which TOS are being violated and how in the OP and also provide or suggest a solution that will not require an increase in the number/time of moderators (or any other unnecessary increase in expenditure).

I am not attacking you personally, I understand this is a problem, but I don't think it will go away by simply removing the downvote system and I don't think GoG will want to change anything unless you provide an argument that gives them no choice.
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SylvanFae: OMG, the situation here escalated quickly...
Apparently it's an issue that's existed for years. Reasonable forum users are finally sick and tired of being attacked by TOS-violating trolls, and the trolls are out in force.
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DangerPlankton: *snip*
We've tried appealing to the moderators and GOG staff directly. We've tried creating forum posts about it. We've tried forum polls. We've tried the wishlist system to tell them that we wish for them to take action on this issue. Every single time, GOG has ignored us. No action has been taken. At this point, the only option left to us isn't a good one, and it probably won't get the job done, but it's the only one I can think of, and quite frankly...

I'd might as well link to this Youtube video that explains how I, and many other GOG forum users feel, while I still can, before all the trolls prevent me from being able to post links, and GOG does nothing about it.

I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!

I very strongly recommend everyone watch or re-watch Network. It's a brilliant movie for many reasons. As I stated, that's how I feel about this issue. I'd love for CD Projekt's Arthur Jensen to explain to my Howard Beale why what I want is unreasonable. I don't think that's to much to ask.
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Tauto: A REAL big rethink is needed here as most people will not divulge their personal and email details anywhere nowadays as all it leads to is constant nag screens from the site. Now WAKE UP and put the vote in an ordinary thread in the forum.
No, it does not. Change.org is in fact nagging you at least one but once you opted aut after receiving this mail (which I just did and which I did on several other petitions) they won't nag you any further. Also you can always create a junk adress. You just need to confirm it once.