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General discussionPetition To Tell GOG To Enforce Their Forum's Terms Of Service And/Or Remove Their Forum's Rep System(170 posts)(170 posts)
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Posted June 28, 2020
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MarkoH01: No, it does not. Change.org is in fact nagging you at least one but once you opted aut after receiving this mail (which I just did and which I did on several other petitions) they won't nag you any further. Also you can always create a junk adress. You just need to confirm it once.
This is true, and you can actually create an account before creating or signing any petition and opt out of all of their e-mails before using your account for anything.
Posted June 28, 2020
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MarkoH01: Just upvoted ever single post in this thread as counter measure ....
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toxicTom: Did it too, let's show those bots who's boss :-D
If movies keep telling us anything I guess we can be sure that we will lose this fight but that does not mean that we can't continue to counter act :)

Upvoting new posts now....

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DangerPlankton: If the downvote system is removed, the trolls will start making abusive posts and moderators will have to be called in more and more often, requiring considerable more moderation time.
Please let those cowards finally speak out. This way mods CAN track them which probably is the problem right now. And yes, I am saying it again because I strongly believe in it: all those who are using the downvote button instead of speaking out are just little cowards who won't stand a regular argument!
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Posted June 28, 2020
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The very fact that nearly every single post on this thread has been downvoted for no reason at all should be a wake up call to GOG ... But I wouldn't hold my breath, GOG is losing sight of everything that made it special in the first place, and an active thriving forum is part of that.
Posted June 28, 2020
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summitus: The very fact that nearly every single post on this thread has been downvoted for no reason at all should be a wake up call to GOG ...
True, it's really annoying and sad at the same time.

I'm really happy that this topic was raised, thank you finkleroy for making the petition. No matter how influential(or not) will it be, at least it's some reaction, which is good by itself. In my opinion.

Note on the side - don't want to be harsh, but I believe that it shouldn't be our concern why GOG hasn't done anything with forum since years - we're all customers, it's not our responsibility.
Post edited June 28, 2020 by MartiusR
Posted June 28, 2020
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finkleroy: You don't have to pay anything to sign the petition. You're telling everyone that they have to and that my intentions might not be genuine, then calling this a "scheme". Yeah, you're a troll who's upset that something's trying to be done about your disgusting behavior. Go away.
Just some friendly advice. Accusing people of trolling and telling them to leave the site just because they are suspicious of something or criticize your topic isn't the way to win people over.

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finkleroy: It's baffling that a company would create a rule in their terms of service and then flat-out refuse to enforce it. Did they know for a fact that they would be unable to enforce it when they wrote it? That would be even more baffling.
Good questions

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finkleroy: If you disagree that the terms of service rule against abusing the rep system should be enforced, you're undoubtedly a troll who wants to be able to continue to abuse the rep system, and therefore you need to leave the forum. Nobody wants you here. It's also a violation of GOG's terms of service to use multiple accounts to interact with the forum. By doing this, you're violating yet another of the rules in their terms of service.
From talking to this person it would appear they aren't disagreeing with that.

And about the troll and rule breaking accusations, I once more refer to the first part of this post and ask you kindly to please not accuse people without proof.

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finkleroy: I'd might as well link to this Youtube video that explains how I, and many other GOG forum users feel, while I still can, before all the trolls prevent me from being able to post links, and GOG does nothing about it.

I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!
Well spoken. I believe a slow clap is in order here. Great film and great sentiment to this problem.


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DangerPlankton: If the downvote system is removed, the trolls will start making abusive posts and moderators will have to be called in more and more often, requiring considerable more moderation time.
As I told you prior, they likely wouldn't dare lest they get modded themselves and lose posting rights.
Post edited June 28, 2020 by BigBobsBeepers
Posted June 28, 2020
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BigBobsBeepers: *snip*
Dude, if that person were on the level, they wouldn't have created an alt account for the express purpose of avoiding being down-voted. Doing that is expressly forbidden in the forum's terms of service. The forum's terms of service very clearly state that they should be banned for using multiple accounts to interact with the forum. I think this rule is pretty disambiguous. I appreciate you trying to see both sides of this issue, but... umm... maybe re-read what everyone's already said about it before picking a side.
Post edited June 28, 2020 by finkleroy
Posted June 28, 2020
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finkleroy: You don't have to pay anything to sign the petition. You're telling everyone that they have to and that my intentions might not be genuine, then calling this a "scheme". Yeah, you're a troll who's upset that something's trying to be done about your disgusting behavior. Go away.
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BigBobsBeepers: Just some friendly advice. Accusing people of trolling and telling them to leave the site just because they are suspicious of something or criticize your topic isn't the way to win people over.

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finkleroy: It's baffling that a company would create a rule in their terms of service and then flat-out refuse to enforce it. Did they know for a fact that they would be unable to enforce it when they wrote it? That would be even more baffling.
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BigBobsBeepers: Good questions

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finkleroy: If you disagree that the terms of service rule against abusing the rep system should be enforced, you're undoubtedly a troll who wants to be able to continue to abuse the rep system, and therefore you need to leave the forum. Nobody wants you here. It's also a violation of GOG's terms of service to use multiple accounts to interact with the forum. By doing this, you're violating yet another of the rules in their terms of service.
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BigBobsBeepers: From talking to this person it would appear they aren't disagreeing with that.

And about the troll and rule breaking accusations, I once more refer to the first part of this post and ask you kindly to please not accuse people without proof.

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finkleroy: I'd might as well link to this Youtube video that explains how I, and many other GOG forum users feel, while I still can, before all the trolls prevent me from being able to post links, and GOG does nothing about it.

I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!
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BigBobsBeepers: Well spoken. I believe a slow clap is in order here. Great film and great sentiment to this problem.

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DangerPlankton: If the downvote system is removed, the trolls will start making abusive posts and moderators will have to be called in more and more often, requiring considerable more moderation time.
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BigBobsBeepers: As I told you prior, they likely wouldn't dare lest they get modded themselves and lose posting rights.
In this case it is appropriate
I believe that it is an alt account with which he deliberately started a discussion.
It is also striking that his interest apparently only applies to this thread.
Post edited June 28, 2020 by Valdasaar
Posted June 28, 2020
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First of all: I don't think that GOG will do anything about this issue.
But I have given some thought to the things that could be changed here in the forum, to hopefully make it a better (= more pleasant) place again.

(please see attachment for reference)

1) Get rid of the "+" and "-" buttons.
Instead replace them with a directly available "Report" button (for spam-posts and/or posts that openly violate the forum rules), and a "Hide this post" button (for posts that a user doesn't want to see, for whatever reasons).
(point 1 correlates directly with point 3)

2) Add the possibility of "IGNORE USER PERMANENTLY" to the users' "avatar-menu".
That way, every comment made by a certain user won't be visible to the ignoring user. So far - if anyone wants to hide a comment - it automatically goes along with giving a negative "rep" - whether the user intends that or not.
(point 2 correlates directly with point 4)

3) Get rid of the "reputation" number and the "stars".
They serve no purpose other than hindering people with a "rep" too low from posting links in the forum. And by now, I think, we all know how to circumvent that...and the spammers certainly do, too.

4) If a user makes use of the "IGNORE USER PERMANENTLY" function, give him/her the possibility to see the hidden comments anyway - IF they actively decide to, by pressing a button.
This exception needs to be "per comment", meaning: it doesn't lift the "IGNORE" function completely. If a user wants to revoke the "IGNORE" function completely, s/he has to do so under the other user's "avatar-menu".
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Posted June 28, 2020
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AB2012: ...but the problem is if GOG can't spare / afford the support staff...
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TheMonkofDestiny: They definitely need to enlist a wider swath of volunteers to moderate the forum. It's great that they brought in the 2 that they did from the community but it's clear that expecting two volunteers, no matter how Herculean their efforts are, to carry the task of keeping the forum from falling into total wasteland status alongside actual GOG staff who tend to take weekends off and only truly intervene when things spiral far out of control is not really cutting it for a forum this size that spans multiple languages. People have complained that it's "less active" and it may be true compared to 5+ years ago, but it still sees activity on a daily basis and from enough of a wide array of users that you'd think realistically GOG would have a mod list twice the size it has now, if not larger.

In general, I agree though. Abolishing the system and making the report function an actual separate function is probably a wise idea. The reputation system may prevent certain accounts from mass dumps of URLs but that it's become this obnoxiously passive aggressive "power" for others is proof enough that something needs to change with it. Even if it leads to more open squabbling in threads like the mass giveaway one which helped light the fire behind this thread.
The first point you made is subjective, community moderation from its members is always a shaky bridge. The fact is, this part of the forums is the 'front page' of all the other forums so to speak. It does not take too much time in pop in and have a quick chin wag, while keeping CoC enforced. It all falls down to how much value they put into it. It's not hard to turn around either, so stay positive and maybe it'll get better
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finkleroy: Dude, if that person were on the level, they wouldn't have created an alt account for the express purpose of avoiding being down-voted.
Legalities aside I feel they are likely more afraid of losing rep as per the problem you yourself pointed out in the op post then to troll the thread.

(Of course I may be wrong on that and you might be right. Still erring on the side of caution and not accusing people without proof should be the way to go in such matters I feel)

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finkleroy: Doing that is expressly forbidden in the forum's terms of service. The forum's terms of service very clearly state that they should be banned for using multiple accounts to interact with the forum. I think this rule is pretty disambiguous.
On this topic. I have actually suspected people of this before and when talking to them in private I have been told quite a few times that gog staff have advised others behind the scenes to use alternate accounts for such things.

Not saying whether it's right or wrong. Just stating what I have heard on this issue.

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finkleroy: I appreciate you trying to see both sides of this issue, but... umm... maybe re-read what everyone's already said about it before picking a side.
I am on your side on the thread topic. But I still think no one should be accusing anyone else of things without proof or telling people to leave as I feel it lowers those of us who do such somewhat to the level of the down reppers.

(Essentially I want every one of us to give every one respect and not fling accusations around.)
Post edited June 28, 2020 by BigBobsBeepers
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BreOl72: *snip*
I completely agree with everything you've said. this is exactly the type of discussion I've hoped to encourage. For the record, I don't think they'll care about this, either. GOG staff have made it abundantly clear that they cannot and/or will not appropriately deal with the obvious terms of service violations on their forums.

All of your suggestions are great. I'd love it if GOG were to implement any or all of your suggestions. I think they'd work quite well.
Posted June 28, 2020
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Valdasaar: In this case it is appropriate
I believe that it is an alt account with which he deliberately started a discussion.
It is also striking that his interest apparently only applies to this thread.
You might be right on this.

But as I told the op in this same post, I feel accusing anyone of anything without near solid proof isn't fair to them and isn't the way to go. Still, it can't hurt to keep an eye on such people.
Posted June 28, 2020
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Valdasaar: In this case it is appropriate
I believe that it is an alt account with which he deliberately started a discussion.
It is also striking that his interest apparently only applies to this thread.
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BigBobsBeepers: You might be right on this.

But as I told the op in this same post, I feel accusing anyone of anything without near solid proof isn't fair to them and isn't the way to go. Still, it can't hurt to keep an eye on such people.
I agree with you
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Valdasaar: I agree with you
And me with you on many things here.

Also thank you.
Posted June 28, 2020
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It is a pity that so few are interested in this topic and are willing to write down the pedition.
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