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This is most likely going to confirm Ixam's suspicions that he shan't last much longer, and perhaps even place me firmly within the scum column for some of you. However, I feel that it's time that I Vote: Ixamyakxim.

His actions today have only further confirmed my suspicions concerning him. I shall not re-hash my argument from yesterday, but I will discuss the two points from today that bother me the most.

Firstly, after I asked Ixam why I should not vote for him, he responded with a post (#567) in which he simply explained his reasons for voting Sage, thus not really fully engaging with my question. The explanation of why he voted Sage, however, is what troubles me more.

Ixam used a post by flubbucket (a post that I find suspicious) to justify his initial vote, and here goes on to state that he merely voted for Sage to get the game moving and because,"but something about her post (the long one) doesn't sit well with me." He then qualifies and further explains his vote by saying,"t seems a bit out of character for her from the the game or three I've seen."

This is all well and good, but I feel that this is not at all how Sage has acted (yes, even considering the fact that she hammered HijacK).

Secondly, I do not like Ixam's response to trent. Trent confronted Ixam with the very valid question of why he used the word "your" instead of the word "our" when speaking about a possible town loss. Ixam responded by stating that he did so only because he felt he would not live much longer. This explanation, however, does not invalidate trent's question, as even if Ixam were dead and town, he would still have won the game. Thus, I find it suspect that Ixam used "your" instead of "our."

Honestly, I can't think of a single person I find more scummy than Ixam at the moment.
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CSPVG:
Interesting. I actually really liked your Day One vote on me. You had good reasons given and the timing on it was good too. I admit I had you leaning town and hadn't paid much attention to you because of it.

But this one feels a bit more like you're trying to paint me as scum rather than thinking I'm scum. Granted, you could still be "locked in" on me from Day One, so everything is likely to make me look scummy to you. Regardless I'm going to go have a look at your prior votes.
Damn, that was a long re-read. Anyway, as promised, some views and comments now.

@Robbeasy, unfortunately I'm still not sure what your tell on Wyrm is, but while re-reading I spotted something I initially caught, but kept shut about it because of it's nature and totally forgot about it afterwards. I'm even more sure about my own read on him now. Not sure if you get what I mean and if that's what your own read is.

@Books, I also was surprised at



Next item. Wagons. 4 of particular interest.

I'm pasting the votes in their latest version before the lynch collapsed or executed. I have bolded the names of the people I know or am almost sure or have a reason to believe are town. Only TwilightBard should be a new name there - I'm inclined to believe his claim until we get a counter-claim, if we do at all. Anyway, it would be stupidity to assume there were no scum on any of those wagons, therefore some of them are likely among the non-bolded names.

1. dedoporno - 4 (TwilightBard, JMich, Krypsyn, Ixamyakxim)
2. RWarehall - 4 (Ixamyakxim, HijacK, TwilightBard, Krypsyn)
3. Ixamyakxim - stopped at L-1 (dedoporno, adaliabooks, CSPVG, RWarehall, Robbeasy, Bookwyrm627, trentonlf)
4. HijacK - Lynched (dedoporno, RWarehall, trentonlf, Robbeasy, Bookwyrm627, flubbucket, adaliabooks, Sage)


This leaves me with:

1. Krypsyn (already suspicious - went out of his way to discredit the town tell)
2. Flub (double teamed with Krypsyn. Seems to have different PM than mine)
3. Books (not sure about him, tidbits in both directions)
4. Sage (not too sure)
5. CSPVG
6. JMich (not too sure, attacked me, but it may have been a proper scum-hunting)
7. Ixamyakxim (only thing saving him in my eyes is Robbeasy, since I believe I know why he retracted the vote, but I'm not sure)


During my re-reading I observed something that may or may not be a thing, but it's still an intriguing pattern:

CSPVG's initial scum list:

1) Robbeasy
2) HijacK
3) RWarehall

Flub' initial scum list:

1) RWarehall
2) Robbeasy
3) trentonlf

Books' initial scum list:

1) Twilightbard
2) Dedo
3) Bookwyrm

3 of the non-bolded people have lists that consist exclusively of bolded ones. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.

CSPVG also seems to have neglected reading the OP, considering he questioned the role shifting when I made a comment about it:

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CSPVG: Having said this, I do find the suggestion that we may have powers that shift from night to night quite interesting. I don't think this is true, but it seems an oddly specific suggestion. What led you lot to believe this may be the case?
Also, he feels different. He's still lurking as usual but his attitude feels different from what I have come to expect from him. In previous games he seemed to be more analytical and precise. Now he feels... hmmm... goofy?! I actually hesitated about this, since CSPVG stood up for me, but this doesn't automatically mean that was not a ploy.


On Sage's hammer some people seems to be trying to make a big thing out of the. Bigger than it may actually be. Hammer would should have come sooner or later, or we would have most likely ended up with no lynch at all. A lot of you seem preoccupied how Sage prevented Krypsyn's reads. Ignore Sage's reasoning, agenda and alignment for a bit. What if Krypsyn's reads (who ended up getting lost, by the way) prevented the lynch? And yeah, I know the lynch hit a townie, but we didn't know back then and no lynch would have been better for scum, especially if there were a too few or even no scum on that wagon.


Long story short, the people of interest for me right now are

1. Krypsyn
2. CSPVG
3. Ix

Sage/Flub/Books can wait till later.
Vote count

Sage - 1 (Ixamyakxim)
Ixamyakxim - 1 (CSPVG)
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Everyone seems to be paralysed by mutual mistrust. Hardly anyone dares to talk out of fear to say something wrong. Or something the others will see as wrong. So the group scatters, especially Sage, adalia, Krypsyn and RWarehall avoid the others and rather brood in silence. They have left the shelter and sit silently around a fire outside, when suddenly something leaps out of the bushes on the edge of the camp. The next moment they find themselves attacked by a snork. Only with effort and at the cost of several cuts and bruises they manage to defeat the mutant ... but where one of these disgusting creatures is, there are usually more. How ever they managed to penetrate the anomalies, you are in danger now!

Sage, adalia, Krypsyn and RWarehall, you have been prodded. Please return to the game now!
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Lifthrasil: ****************************************************************
The next moment they find themselves attacked by a snork.
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THE ATTACK
Hey guys, sorry I didn't realise it had been that long since I posted. Had a busy weekend but I'm also at the point where I have no idea what to say...

I'm at a bit of a lose right now, as dedo pointed out, my top scum suspects day one have all been cleared to some extent and the other two players who had wagons yesterday and survived also don't appear overly scummy to me so I'm rethinking my whole game.

There's still a fairly large pool of suspects and I'm going to have to do a reread of some posts to see who stands out from them.
I looked at the HijacK wagon yesterday and jotted down some notes. Work has been crying out for attention (too many hours). Regardless I now have a comment or two.

It started with dedoporno's post #473 responding to HijacK. Then RWarehall followed at post #494 stating PM variance. Next trentonlf at post #494 stating "how you have been acting" followed immediately by Robbeasy post #495, apparently due to JMich/HijacK dust up. Bookwyrm then jumps right on at #498, because he looks like scum.

HijacK turned out to be town of course.

Then Krypsyn posts #507 a list (RWarehall-leaning scum, dedoporno-leaning scum, Robbeasy-leaning scum, adaliabooks-leaning scum) then follows up at post#510 with more details.

I don't like the insinuation between Krypsyn simply because I made a single comment regarding his vote. Which, by the way, turned out to be unrelated after all.

The speed at which the wagon began and the top people on Krypsyn's list do make me think there's more going on.

Lastly, I agreed with JMich's post #388 regarding keeping an eye on Bookwyrm, which makes me glad TwilightBard chose him as an investigation target. +townie points to TwilightBard
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Robbeasy: hmmm - this puts me rather in a quandary here - all i can say is go back to Ix's claim, look at my question, then his response to my question.

Then you will understand why I took my vote off him. My tell on Bookwyrm was different to Dedo's , but again, if you go back you will see what I mean.

I can say no more than that.
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flubbucket: Ixamyakxim is NOT scum, correct??

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Robbeasy: I have two confirmed town - rwarehall and bookwyrm.

Dedo im not sure about as he missed the obvious, as far as i can tell...

Everyone else is neutral / scum for me - long way to go yet though, I'm sure someone will poke their head above the ramparts soon...
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flubbucket: It is difficult to rectify both of these posts.
Yes - sorry, i meant to Add Ix to that list.
Right guys, sorry for the lack of posting. I'd been busy and a bit distracted and generally at a loss as to where to go next so I've done a massive re read and here are my thoughts, in no particular order:

Robb - Mentions confirmed town due to as yet unspecified tells. Claims he is going to share these but has not yet. Getting a generally scummy vibe from him. Reading back he jumped on the dedo / Bookwyrm tell but later claimed his was different, which combined with other factors is looking a bit like fishing for town points.

CSPVG - Nothing much out of the ordinary, still lurking quite a lot and posting long posts when he does. Pretty neutral at the moment.

JMich - Spent most of day 1 arguing largely insignificant details with dedo and HijacK. Despite arguing a lot with HijacK he never placed a vote on him.
Mentions having knowledge of both vanilla and non vanilla PMs, I've reread this post a few times and can't see what else he could mean by this.. Combined with what seems like distractionary tactics and filler posts Day 1 I have him leaning scum.

Flub - Posting a bit, but not saying overly much. Has twice placed votes (seemly) based on others arguments (dedo with Krypsyn and HijacK with Robb). His posts are odd, but then they always are... Neutral, no real read yet.

Krypsyn - Very hard to read. His behaviour seems odd and very confrontational, as if he wants to get lynched or have a wagon form. Not sure why that would be though. I still find it difficult to read him as he's the only player I've not played with when they were town, so I don't know if this is normal behaviour or scummy. He doesn't seem quite like he did in the space game though. Leaning slightly scum.

trent - leaning town. Nothing out of the ordinary. Very much like his previous town plays as far as I can tell.

Bookwyrm - Leaning town, I iniatially had doubts but I think anything that I picked up on was mostly down to being new. Only real cause for concern is the "Let's lynch dedo" post.

RWarehall - some scummy behaviour, but altogether with everything that's happened I think I have to put him as confirmed town or just very lucky in making guesses about Town PMs.

Twilight - Slightly leaning town but I have my doubts. On second thoughts I'm not entirely convinced by his claim, as if I were scum and going to false claim cop powers I would have claimed to investigate Bookwyrm too. He was practically confirmed for many so doesn't give away much and seems like an accurate read, he has claimed to have lost his power, which ties with a lot of the speculation about powers but could easily be a cover for why he won't provide any more reads. Also what he has claimed about his power seems slightly contradictory.
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_26_stalker_the_dangers_of_the_zone/post563
He says he let the RNG pick who his power would go to from the townies, but that doesn't make sense... if he knows who is town he doesn't need to let a random number decide. If he doesn't know who his town it makes some sense to choose who to pass a power to randomly, but that seems harmful to town, why not choose your towniest player?
But he then states he knows it's going to a townie... how?
Balance of propability suggests his claim is true, but I'm not putting him at confirmed just yet.

Ixam - His behaviour still seems very scummy, but I don't quite see him as scum just yet. I'd say he is pure neutral for me. His reasons for voting and some of his posts have been very off, but the way he started into the game seems far too risky and gung ho for scum. There were votes he could have made which might have been backed up with more evidence, but instead he placed a pretty random one with fairly flimsy evidence... He's in the same category as Krypsyn for me. Not sure if he is town, scum or something else.

Sage - Leaning slightly scummy, but not overly so. Her behaviour has definitely changed from earlier games but I don't think she is lying when she says she has become more confident and I'm happy to attribute the difference to that for now.

dedo - I'm really not sure what to make of dedo either. There are various pieces of evidence which suggest he is likely town, but his behaviour comes off as scummy to me. I particularly don't like his last big post, where he tries to create a connection between who he thinks is scum and who he thinks is town, using things like scum lists given half a game ago, particularly when his own also included (in the two top spots) players who he now has as town. Seems like trying to pull an argument out of nothing.. And I know, seeing as I'm one of those he is marking as scummy this will come across as a bit OMGUS.
What bothers me is that dedo's behaviour strikes me as very ballsy scum, and we know from previous games that town or scum he is want to take risks (dropping a large scum tell last game when he was scum, the gambit at the end of the High School game as town) so I still have him neutral.

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dedoporno: @Books, I also was surprised at
Also, was this meant to mean something? I presume it is addressed to me, but it looks like you're missing half a sentence...

So scummiest for me right now: Krypsyn, JMich, Ix and Robb.
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adaliabooks: Also, was this meant to mean something? I presume it is addressed to me, but it looks like you're missing half a sentence...
Yes, it was, but it seems I clipped a bit out. That was supposed to read "@Books, I also was surprised at the moment I saw HSL's flip, since I also thought he had a power role. I believe we noticed the same thing there, but I believe it's better to not give it away unless we have to (if your reason is the same you should get why)".

As for the lists, it's pretty likely that even mine will come with townies in it, as it is a half game old, as you said. You may notice that I missed my top pick (Krypsyn), since he had a couple of people that I don't see as leaning town. I listed only the lists that contain town-leaning players exclusively.
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dedoporno: Yes, it was, but it seems I clipped a bit out. That was supposed to read "@Books, I also was surprised at the moment I saw HSL's flip, since I also thought he had a power role. I believe we noticed the same thing there, but I believe it's better to not give it away unless we have to (if your reason is the same you should get why)".
I imagine so, and I completely agree.

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dedoporno: As for the lists, it's pretty likely that even mine will come with townies in it, as it is a half game old, as you said. You may notice that I missed my top pick (Krypsyn), since he had a couple of people that I don't see as leaning town. I listed only the lists that contain town-leaning players exclusively.
Ok, fair enough. I see what you were doing, but I still disagree with it's usefulness as an analytical tool. I can't comment on anyone else's lists, but mine was made solely on the back of the talk of mechanics, before even the issue of the town tell. And while I wouldn't say any of you are 100% cleared I do have you all neutral or leaning town at the moment too, but that doesn't mean I didn't have good reasons to consider you scum when I made the list.
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adaliabooks: Ok, fair enough. I see what you were doing, but I still disagree with it's usefulness as an analytical tool. I can't comment on anyone else's lists, but mine was made solely on the back of the talk of mechanics, before even the issue of the town tell. And while I wouldn't say any of you are 100% cleared I do have you all neutral or leaning town at the moment too, but that doesn't mean I didn't have good reasons to consider you scum when I made the list.
I didn't say it the most useful of tools, since it isn't. Just like you and, possibly, others I'm not too sure where to go from here and I'm trying to come up with something from what we have laying around.

By the way I missed that RNG element in Twilight's post. I mean, I read it, but I may have misunderstood it. I read that as "RNG taking the role to someone else", not "Twilight used RNG to come up with a player to receive the role".

@Twilight, would you explain exactly what happened there?
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dedoporno: I didn't say it the most useful of tools, since it isn't. Just like you and, possibly, others I'm not too sure where to go from here and I'm trying to come up with something from what we have laying around.
Ok, I get that. I'm pretty clueless myself right now...

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dedoporno: By the way I missed that RNG element in Twilight's post. I mean, I read it, but I may have misunderstood it. I read that as "RNG taking the role to someone else", not "Twilight used RNG to come up with a player to receive the role".

@Twilight, would you explain exactly what happened there?
It may just be a misunderstanding, but it stood out to me as I read it a few times and couldn't quite understand what he was saying.

It sounds like he had some part in choosing who the power would go to (and I don't want him to reveal if he knows) but he also states he knows it's going to town and that it was random... and all those facts don't really tie together, which makes me slightly suspicious.
To me the logical system if powers swap is just that Lift reassigns it randomly (or semi randomly if it only goes to town) but Twilight seems to suggest the could somehow choose (and therefore make a mistake) and that he chose randomly..
But to choose (while also being sure it was a townie) suggests he would know who all the townies are, which can't work. It just doesn't read right and is bugging me.
I am very sorry. This is my last day of 12 hour work days. Being Monday I hope it to be slow and I can read and post before tonight.