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Posted July 04, 2015
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mlk2: If we disregard the absurdity that they feel they are bound by a "directive" while saving a star system from a mad scientist, actually saving the star system is also messing with the time stream since it had already happened.
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Breja: It happend because Soran disrupted the natural path of the Nexus. They are trying to undo his intereference with as little messing up themselves along the way as possible.

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mlk2: I'm sorry but you are grasping at straws, trying to justify the ending. Can't you just admit it was a shitty plot hole.
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Breja: I'm sorry you sound so angry and bitter about it. Does it change so much in the movie if they stop him at 6 o'clock or at 5:30? If I watched the movie recently I could discuss it better. Then again, talking to you isn't exactly fun, so I don't think I'd want too :D
Yes. If they would stop Sooron before he has a chance to set up any of his rockets or kill Kirk it would change the movie tremendously. If you think about it I am sure you can see that.

But you are right. You could definately discuss it better if you actually knew the movie. I guess you won't respond to me anymore which is fine since talking to you who don't even know what he is talking about isn't exactly fun, so I don't think I'd want too :D
Post edited July 04, 2015 by mlk2
Posted July 04, 2015
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mlk2: But you are right. You could definately discuss it better if you actually knew the movie. I guess you won't respond to me anymore which is fine since talking to you who don't even know what he is talking about isn't exactly fun :D
Yes, yes, I'm a terrible person. I don't watch every movie every year just in case you may want to discuss it. I'm ever so very sorry.

Even if you are right, it still does not change the things I like about the movie. It just makes it like First Contact, where the time travel details are handwaved, but the rest of the movie is good, so I don't mind it.
Post edited July 04, 2015 by Breja
Posted July 04, 2015
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McDon: I think I've only seen TNG, which from what I've heard is the best choice.

That bolded part is my sci-fi pet peeve...
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Elmofongo: Yes. Bajorans only just have what looks like scars on their noes and now everyone is like "claps" that's an alien right there she's an alien.

And yes I know its a TV show, it has a limited budget.

This is why I think animation is superior to live action.
Doctor Who has the same problem. Half of the universe seem to look similar to humans. They've made some humourous references to this in the show, but it's never really made sense.

I think the expanded universe tried to explain it as the result from past Time Lord colonisation, but that's never been made canonical.
Posted July 04, 2015
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Elmofongo: Yes. Bajorans only just have what looks like scars on their noes and now everyone is like "claps" that's an alien right there she's an alien.

And yes I know its a TV show, it has a limited budget.

This is why I think animation is superior to live action.
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McDon: Doctor Who has the same problem. Half of the universe seem to look similar to humans. They've made some humourous references to this in the show, but it's never really made sense.

I think the expanded universe tried to explain it as the result from past Time Lord colonisation, but that's never been made canonical.
Heck I think most of the time travel related episodes was for star trek to compete with doctor who ;)
Posted July 04, 2015
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Elmofongo: Heck I think most of the time travel related episodes was for star trek to compete with doctor who ;)
there is an in universe explanantion as to why all the aliens are humanoids

there we go >> http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_humanoid

http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Humanoid
Post edited July 04, 2015 by snowkatt
Posted July 04, 2015
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Elmofongo: Heck I think most of the time travel related episodes was for star trek to compete with doctor who ;)
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snowkatt: there is an in universe explanantion as to why all the aliens are humanoids

there we go >> http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_humanoid

http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Humanoid
Yes I know and I have seen that episode. Halo copied the idea of a forerunner race that planted the seeds of other races throughout the galaxy.
Posted July 18, 2015
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Elmofongo: Heck I think most of the time travel related episodes was for star trek to compete with doctor who ;)
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snowkatt: there is an in universe explanantion as to why all the aliens are humanoids

there we go >> http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_humanoid

http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Humanoid
Alright "claps" Deep Space Nine.

Here we go episode 1. Already it has the length of a movie.

So season 3 is where the "story arcs" begins? The first 2 seasons was the show just being TNG in a space station?
Posted July 18, 2015
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Elmofongo: Here we go episode 1. Already it has the length of a movie.

So season 3 is where the "story arcs" begins? The first 2 seasons was the show just being TNG in a space station?
Mostly. But there is a lot of important world building and stuff about the characters in those early seasons.
Posted July 18, 2015
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snowkatt: there is an in universe explanantion as to why all the aliens are humanoids

there we go >> http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_humanoid

http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Humanoid
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Elmofongo: Alright "claps" Deep Space Nine.

Here we go episode 1. Already it has the length of a movie.

So season 3 is where the "story arcs" begins? The first 2 seasons was the show just being TNG in a space station?
Not quite. There are some good story arcs. They just clearly had a much smaller budget.
Posted July 18, 2015
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Elmofongo: Alright "claps" Deep Space Nine.

Here we go episode 1. Already it has the length of a movie.

So season 3 is where the "story arcs" begins? The first 2 seasons was the show just being TNG in a space station?
kinda sorta
season 1 and 2 lay down a lot of hte ground work for the characters in the other seasons

such as sisko's dislike for picard and his relationship with is son ( which is one of the most believable and well written father son no parent child relationships on tv )
it introduces everybody and later seasons play on that foundation

i'd tell you more but spoilers and all that
Post edited July 18, 2015 by snowkatt
Posted July 18, 2015
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Elmofongo: Alright "claps" Deep Space Nine.

Here we go episode 1. Already it has the length of a movie.

So season 3 is where the "story arcs" begins? The first 2 seasons was the show just being TNG in a space station?
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snowkatt: kinda sorta
season 1 and 2 lay down a lot of hte ground work for the characters in the other seasons

such as sisko's dislike for picard and his relationship with is son ( which is one of the most believable and well written father son no parent child relationships on tv )
it introduces everybody and later seasons play on that foundation

i'd tell you more but spoilers and all that
Better than Worf and Alexander?
Posted July 18, 2015
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Elmofongo: Better than Worf and Alexander?
..oh yes

i always felt worf and alexander were kinda tacked on and the writers never knew what to do with alexander

you wil see jake grow up through those 7 seasons of DS9 and the relationship with his father is a constant
he doesnt feel tacked on like wesley or any of the other kids
jake and nog are as much a part of DS9 as kira odo and dax are
Posted July 18, 2015
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snowkatt: kinda sorta
season 1 and 2 lay down a lot of hte ground work for the characters in the other seasons

such as sisko's dislike for picard and his relationship with is son ( which is one of the most believable and well written father son no parent child relationships on tv )
it introduces everybody and later seasons play on that foundation

i'd tell you more but spoilers and all that
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Elmofongo: Better than Worf and Alexander?
Much better. I would say the father son relationship can be a good influence on peoples actual relationship. What would Sisko do. :P
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Elmofongo: Better than Worf and Alexander?
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snowkatt: ..oh yes

i always felt worf and alexander were kinda tacked on and the writers never knew what to do with alexander

you wil see jake grow up through those 7 seasons of DS9 and the relationship with his father is a constant
he doesnt feel tacked on like wesley or any of the other kids
jake and nog are as much a part of DS9 as kira odo and dax are
Funny, I was about the same age as Jake and Nog growing up with the show so I could relate to it a fair bit. It was pretty cool as a kid.
Post edited July 18, 2015 by darthspudius
Posted July 18, 2015
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darthspudius: Much better. I would say the father son relationship can be a good influence on peoples actual relationship. What would Sisko do. :P
Funny, I was about the same age as Jake and Nog growing up with the show so I could relate to it a fair bit. It was pretty cool as a kid.
since we are almost the same age i was roughly the same age too ;p
i saw most of the series in repeats though

and if you didnt know the actors are not related at all you could mistake them on screen for actual father and son
they are that good




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Breja: Mostly. But there is a lot of important world building and stuff about the characters in those early seasons.
most of their early budget went to the emmisary two parter
which cost 12 million give or take
Post edited July 18, 2015 by snowkatt
Posted July 18, 2015
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Elmofongo: Better than Worf and Alexander?
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snowkatt: ..oh yes

i always felt worf and alexander were kinda tacked on and the writers never knew what to do with alexander

you wil see jake grow up through those 7 seasons of DS9 and the relationship with his father is a constant
he doesnt feel tacked on like wesley or any of the other kids
jake and nog are as much a part of DS9 as kira odo and dax are
Well that plot element better live up, because technically I have seen the BEST Father and Son relationship story already. Its called Lone Wolf and Cub ;)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/6/67663/2790704-01_cropped.jpg
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