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Posted May 27, 2015
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snowkatt: i liked nemesis
it wasnt amazing but better then the final frontier or insurrection by a long shot
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ElTerprise: As i mentioned earlier it's not that bad as many people claim but i'm not huge fan of it - although the battle scenes in it are fantastic :)

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Elmofongo: I question that because that suggests The Voyage Home is a good movie?

Also Even numbered movies that are kinda good (or at least worth a watch) is the first movie, the Search for Spock, and Generations.
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ElTerprise: But wouldn't that be odd numbered movies? The frist movie can be enjoyable but Search for Spock wasn't good imho. Generations is definitely worth a watch. I know a lot of people who like The Voyage Home and it's again okay if you like the more humourous approach...
Sorry I mean odd numbered :P

Sadly I have no choice but to Watch A Search for Spock because its canoncity is STRONG. You see Spock in TNG.
Post edited May 27, 2015 by Elmofongo
Posted May 27, 2015
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ElTerprise: As i mentioned earlier it's not that bad as many people claim but i'm not huge fan of it - although the battle scenes in it are fantastic :)

But wouldn't that be odd numbered movies? The frist movie can be enjoyable but Search for Spock wasn't good imho. Generations is definitely worth a watch. I know a lot of people who like The Voyage Home and it's again okay if you like the more humourous approach...
search of spock had to live up to wrath of khan ( not a easy task ) and retcon spock's death
but it did establish the depth of spock and kirks friendship
kirk was willing to sacrifice everything for spock
his career
his ship
his son ( unwittingly )
his life

search of spock cant live up to khan but it is an important chapter

the commentary on my dvd of search for spock is ....odd
its done by writers and producers of VOYAGER ! at leats 2 series removed from star trek 3 so their commentary is that of ours
ie fans
...very odd

the motion picture is dreadfully dreary and dull it tries to be 2001 but just cant hope to compete
it looks awesome but its not timeless like 2001 not did it had a director of kubricks caliber behind the camera
Post edited May 27, 2015 by snowkatt
Posted May 27, 2015
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snowkatt: not that i recall the version of 6 i have is around 106 minutes

i didnt really like the borg episode mostly because it moved so slow
that is a problem i have with tng there is no urgency everything is squeeky clean and leasurly
there is very little tension
when it does things it does it well but when it slips it slips up badly

well my opinion is suspect anyway ;p
i like the royale and peak performance from season 2 ;p

yes i always disliked the shiny perfect depiction of the federation it just rings hollow thats not how humans are not now and i doubt that we wil be in 400 years either
The version i have is 113 minutes long. The additions make the conspiracy at bit more coherent...
Yeah TNG used to have that problem - DS9 will always be my favourite Star Trek show (but i prefer TNG over TOS).


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Elmofongo: Sorry I mean odd numbered :P

Sadly I have no choice but to Watch A Search for Spock because its canoncity is STRONG. You see Spock in TNG.
No problem :)
That's true. But that doesn't make the movie any better...
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snowkatt: search of spock had to live up to wrath of khan ( not a easy task ) and retcon spock's death
but it did establish the depth of spock and kirks friendship
kirk was willing to sacrifice everything for spock
his career
his ship
his son ( unwittingly )
his life

search of spock cant live up to khan but it is an important chapter

the commentary on my dvd of search for spock is ....odd
its done by writers and producers of VOYAGER ! at leats 2 series removed from star trek 3 so their commentary is that of ours
ie fans
...very odd

the motion picture is dreadfully dreary and dull it tries to be 2001 but just cant hope to compete
it looks awesome but its not timeless like 2001 not did it had a director of kubricks caliber behind the camera
Well that's the problem with the Star Trek franchise. All the live-action stuff is canon no matter how bad they are - and i still don't really like the third movie but you're right it's an important chapter in the universe...

I see. You have the remastered dvds. No wonder why you have the theatrical version of undiscovered country then...
The Special Edition of Search for Spock has a commentary of Leonard Nimoy with the Producer Harve Bennett and some other actors iirc..
Post edited May 27, 2015 by ElTerprise
Posted May 27, 2015
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ElTerprise: As i mentioned earlier it's not that bad as many people claim but i'm not huge fan of it - although the battle scenes in it are fantastic :)

But wouldn't that be odd numbered movies? The frist movie can be enjoyable but Search for Spock wasn't good imho. Generations is definitely worth a watch. I know a lot of people who like The Voyage Home and it's again okay if you like the more humourous approach...
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snowkatt: search of spock had to live up to wrath of khan ( not a easy task ) and retcon spock's death
but it did establish the depth of spock and kirks friendship
kirk was willing to sacrifice everything for spock
his career
his ship
his son ( unwittingly )
his life

search of spock cant live up to khan but it is an important chapter

the commentary on my dvd of search for spock is ....odd
its done by writers and producers of VOYAGER ! at leats 2 series removed from star trek 3 so their commentary is that of ours
ie fans
...very odd

the motion picture is dreadfully dreary and dull it tries to be 2001 but just cant hope to compete
it looks awesome but its not timeless like 2001 not did it had a director of kubricks caliber behind the camera
Voyeger was an awful series?
Posted May 27, 2015
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Elmofongo: Voyeger was an awful series?
yes
too reboot happy
it had a great premise but it always hti the reset button in the last 10 min to retain the prescious status quo

its basically tos redux
and tng was that already
Posted May 27, 2015
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snowkatt: but it always hit the reset button in the last 10 min to retain the precious status quo
Isn't that the case with every series ever, from inspector gadget to doctor who ? Isn't that sort of a condition for a series to exist ?
Posted May 27, 2015
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Telika: Isn't that the case with every series ever, from inspector gadget to doctor who ? Isn't that sort of a condition for a series to exist ?
Not if the series relies on an arc structure and a plot that actually progresses, with an overall beginning and a definitive ending.
Posted May 27, 2015
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Telika: Isn't that the case with every series ever, from inspector gadget to doctor who ? Isn't that sort of a condition for a series to exist ?
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Nergal01: Not if the series relies on an arc structure and a plot that actually progresses, with an overall beginning and a definitive ending.
That tends to be rare, and mostly limited to short series (miniseries), precisely because it prevents it to be stretched at will.

Eek, brings back memories of "prison break". I should avoid conversations that bring back memories of "prison break".
Posted May 27, 2015
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Telika: That tends to be rare, and mostly limited to short series (miniseries), precisely because it prevents it to be stretched at will.

Eek, brings back memories of "prison break". I should avoid conversations that bring back memories of "prison break".
Hm, not really, IMHO. That kind of story telling has become the norm for drama series. We've come far since the days of the original Star Trek where you could watch the episodes completely out of order, because there hardly was any continuity whatsoever.

If you mean series completely without any filler episodes, I agree.
Posted May 27, 2015
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Elmofongo: The only 2 Star Trek movies that fans find generally good (but of course will not be as perfect as Wrath of Khan was) is Undiscovered Country and First Contact.
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ElTerprise: There is a 'rule' that only the Star Trek movies with even numbers are cionsidered good (until Nemesis happened - although it isn't as bad as many people claim) :)
I think Nemesis was fine. Not great, but fine. But then again I like all the Star Trek movies, even the "bad" ones have something to offer me as a fan that makes me like them.

Also, everyone should check out the Director's Cut of Star Trek The Motion Picture. It turns it into a truly great movie, one of the best in the series right next to II and VI.

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Elmofongo: Voyeger was an awful series?
No. It' probably the weakest of the Trek shows, but it's still good in general. Many very good episodes, like Latent Image and Nothing Human. Although the last two season were rather poor, and I didn't like the finale much.
Post edited May 27, 2015 by Breja
Posted May 27, 2015
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ElTerprise: There is a 'rule' that only the Star Trek movies with even numbers are cionsidered good (until Nemesis happened - although it isn't as bad as many people claim) :)
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Breja: I think Nemesis was fine. Not great, but fine. But then again I like all the Star Trek movies, even the "bad" ones have something to offer me as a fan that makes me like them.

Also, everyone should check out the Director's Cut of Star Trek The Motion Picture. It turns it into a truly great movie, one of the best in the series right next to II and VI.

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Elmofongo: Voyeger was an awful series?
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Breja: No. It' probably the weakest of the Trek shows, but it's still good in general. Many very good episodes, like Latent Image and Nothing Human. Although the last two season were rather poor, and I didn't like the finale much.
Do they ever re-introduce the Doomsday Machine in later series? Does it appear again in TNG, DS9, Voyeger, Enterprise?
Posted May 27, 2015
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Elmofongo: Do they ever re-introduce the Doomsday Machine in later series? Does it appear again in TNG, DS9, Voyeger, Enterprise?
Unfortunately, no. Non-canon novels and fan productions have featured it, though.
Posted May 27, 2015
Top 5 episodes of Star Trek by series:

The Original Series

1. The City on the Edge of Forever
2. Space Seed
3. Balance of Terror
4. The Devil in the Dark
5. The Trouble with Tribbles

The Next Generation

1. The Inner Light
2. The Best of Both Worlds (Parts I & II)
3. Yesterday's Enterprise
4. Lower Decks
5. Chain of Command (Parts I & II)

Deep Space Nine

1. The Visitor (my favorite episode of any Star Trek)
2. In the Pale Moonlight
3. Duet
4. The Siege of AR-558
5. Trials and Tribble-ations

Movies

1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
2. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
3. Star Trek: First Contact
4. Everything else

Voyager and Enterprise are both, to me, complete crap. I'm sure I probably like a few episodes each, but I can't stand the cast of either show and never watch it.
Posted May 27, 2015
No. The only real Star Trek question is Kirk or Picard? :P
Posted May 27, 2015
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BKGaming: No. The only real Star Trek question is Kirk or Picard? :P
I'd rather have Sisko! Picard is a bit of a wimp who talks too much. Kirk shoots first and shags later, I like that but it's a bit one track.

Sisko is balanced out with his command, his friends and family. It makes a better overall character. :D
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