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TheGrimLord: But calling them simply rape games is erroneous and rude, because that is not the object of the game. This isn't about feelings, it is about correct terminology. I don't call golf games football games. Just like I don't call RPG's the same as H-RPG's. The only difference between the two is that one has both consensual or non-consensual sex scenes and other does not contain this content. The gameplay is still the same
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morolf: I'm in favour of calling them rape games, and I don't care if it offends the feeling of people who play such games.
But they aren't. FPS are not murder simulators either. Rape is not the goal of the game.
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Plumb: I don't want art to be censored either.
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mad_men_only: Would that include art depicting sexual acts involving children?

Some people are easily offended, some aren't. We have to strike a balance if we are to live together, no?

Pretending AO isn't AO is deception, done because merchants like GOG don't want to take a public stand.
First you'd have to give me evidence that any of the characters in these games are actual human children before you can make such claims. Until you can do that, go back to Twitter where they're complaining about Xenoblade Chronicles 3 again because the heroines look too young.
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TheGrimLord: If I'm explaining in the context of game mechanics (because rape is an actual game mechanic as well as struggle) then it should not break the code of conduct. But calling them simply rape games is erroneous and rude, because that is not the object of the game. The object of any action/platformer ryona is the same as any action platformer - to complete it. The object is to avoid the rape mechanic as it often ends up in life drain or a game over screen. The same can be said for an ero-RPG. They are still RPG's and the same goal is in mind. Traveling the world, crawling through dungeons and defeating monsters. Rape is a mechanic and used in 99% of them, but it is not the goal or defining factor of an ero-RPG or an H-RPG.

In fact, we just had a new one release called Duel Princess which is a combination of strategy, roguelike and tower defense. The community really seems to love that one. So H-Games and ero-games are games, and it is dishonest, rude and a violation of the CoC to call them "rape games." That's a derogatory term that should not be repeated here.
Whether or not rape is the objective, you yourself acknowledge that it's commonplace in this genre, so calling it rape content is not at all inaccurate. You assume it's intended to be derogatory to justify censorship, which you fully support as long as you're not on the receiving end.

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morolf: I'm in favour of calling them rape games, and I don't care if it offends the feeling of people who play such games.
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TheGrimLord: But they aren't. FPS are not murder simulators either. Rape is not the goal of the game.
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mad_men_only: Would that include art depicting sexual acts involving children?

Some people are easily offended, some aren't. We have to strike a balance if we are to live together, no?

Pretending AO isn't AO is deception, done because merchants like GOG don't want to take a public stand.
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TheGrimLord: First you'd have to give me evidence that any of the characters in these games are actual human children before you can make such claims. Until you can do that, go back to Twitter where they're complaining about Xenoblade Chronicles 3 again because the heroines look too young.
Why would I have to do that when it has no impact on whether or not a game is designated "Adults Only"?
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TheGrimLord: Also, on a real note here I need to explain that you're not a mod and you need to stop telling me what I can and cannot say on this forum. I have not yet seen one mod say that my stuff has been out of line on this thread, nor the one you posted. I cannot see the problem, because you're making one where there isn't one. Stop it. You are not going to moderate my speech here. But yes, I do think the mods need to stop this derogatory term "rape game" from being utilized, because it is as derogatory as if you were to call games for LGBTQ games "Games for bundles of sticks." That's not a good way to describe a game, even if it has that kind of content in it. This is why we also don't call a lot of games here "murder simulators" because it's derogatory. Let's show the games some respect, even if we don't respect them, eh?
You sound extremely defensive, and paranoid. And you fully support censorship as long as you're not on the receiving end. Are you unprincipled?
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TheGrimLord: If I'm explaining in the context of game mechanics (because rape is an actual game mechanic as well as struggle) then it should not break the code of conduct. But calling them simply rape games is erroneous and rude, because that is not the object of the game. The object of any action/platformer ryona is the same as any action platformer - to complete it. The object is to avoid the rape mechanic as it often ends up in life drain or a game over screen. The same can be said for an ero-RPG. They are still RPG's and the same goal is in mind. Traveling the world, crawling through dungeons and defeating monsters. Rape is a mechanic and used in 99% of them, but it is not the goal or defining factor of an ero-RPG or an H-RPG.

In fact, we just had a new one release called Duel Princess which is a combination of strategy, roguelike and tower defense. The community really seems to love that one. So H-Games and ero-games are games, and it is dishonest, rude and a violation of the CoC to call them "rape games." That's a derogatory term that should not be repeated here.
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mad_men_only: Whether or not rape is the objective, you yourself acknowledge that it's commonplace in this genre, so calling it rape content is not at all inaccurate. You assume it's intended to be derogatory to justify censorship, which you fully support as long as you're not on the receiving end.

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TheGrimLord: But they aren't. FPS are not murder simulators either. Rape is not the goal of the game.

First you'd have to give me evidence that any of the characters in these games are actual human children before you can make such claims. Until you can do that, go back to Twitter where they're complaining about Xenoblade Chronicles 3 again because the heroines look too young.
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mad_men_only: Why would I have to do that when it has no impact on whether or not a game is designated "Adults Only"?
Okay, let me be more specific. The object of an action platformer is to get to the goal and defeat the boss. The object of a H-Action Platformer or ryona is the exact same. It just has sexual content that in many ways can be avoided. Even Sword and Tower Of Succubus have that, but they're fun 8-bit games. The goal of the game is not rape. The goal of the game is the same as any other. Just because it may contain rape does not make it a rape game. But because it contains ero content, it is called an ero game. If I'm not making any sense, you need to research the Japanese market and come back to me. These are very popular in Japan and the people there have more respect for them. You should learn to respect the work of other cultures, even if you do not agree with it. This is something I was taught long ago. Respect cultures who have different beliefs than you do.

You brought up the fact that the characters in these games "appear to be children" which has been disproven in anime, games and manga for many years now. However, if you like I can link the thread where all the people who have made these accusations against the community turned out to be child predators themselves. It was compiled on Twitter rather well.
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mad_men_only: Whether or not rape is the objective, you yourself acknowledge that it's commonplace in this genre, so calling it rape content is not at all inaccurate. You assume it's intended to be derogatory to justify censorship, which you fully support as long as you're not on the receiving end.

Why would I have to do that when it has no impact on whether or not a game is designated "Adults Only"?
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TheGrimLord: Okay, let me be more specific. The object of an action platformer is to get to the goal and defeat the boss. The object of a H-Action Platformer or ryona is the exact same. It just has sexual content that in many ways can be avoided. Even Sword and Tower Of Succubus have that, but they're fun 8-bit games. The goal of the game is not rape. The goal of the game is the same as any other. Just because it may contain rape does not make it a rape game. But because it contains ero content, it is called an ero game. If I'm not making any sense, you need to research the Japanese market and come back to me. These are very popular in Japan and the people there have more respect for them. You should learn to respect the work of other cultures, even if you do not agree with it. This is something I was taught long ago. Respect cultures who have different beliefs than you do.

You brought up the fact that the characters in these games "appear to be children" which has been disproven in anime, games and manga for many years now. However, if you like I can link the thread where all the people who have made these accusations against the community turned out to be child predators themselves. It was compiled on Twitter rather well.
I did not, someone else did. I asked if artistic license should extend to depictions of sexual acts involving children.

The "objectives" of these games is arguable; the fact that depictions of rape are commonplace is not.
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TheGrimLord: Okay, let me be more specific. The object of an action platformer is to get to the goal and defeat the boss. The object of a H-Action Platformer or ryona is the exact same. It just has sexual content that in many ways can be avoided. Even Sword and Tower Of Succubus have that, but they're fun 8-bit games. The goal of the game is not rape. The goal of the game is the same as any other. Just because it may contain rape does not make it a rape game. But because it contains ero content, it is called an ero game. If I'm not making any sense, you need to research the Japanese market and come back to me. These are very popular in Japan and the people there have more respect for them. You should learn to respect the work of other cultures, even if you do not agree with it. This is something I was taught long ago. Respect cultures who have different beliefs than you do.

You brought up the fact that the characters in these games "appear to be children" which has been disproven in anime, games and manga for many years now. However, if you like I can link the thread where all the people who have made these accusations against the community turned out to be child predators themselves. It was compiled on Twitter rather well.
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mad_men_only: I did not, someone else did. I asked if artistic license should extend to depictions of sexual acts involving children.

The "objectives" of these games is arguable; the fact that depictions of rape are commonplace is not.
No, the objectives of these games are not arguable. We are playing RPG's and action platformers here. The sex is merely an addition to them, but it doesn't negate the goal. I play them because they are sexy fun. Otherwise I might as well just watch porn. There is a definite game element there and some of it can just come off as pretty silly because it is a game in the truest sense and some of the sex comes out of nowhere. I don't take it seriously. Also, there are a lot of H-Game players who look at the market for games that can be played for the sake of games in general. Is it fun? Does have boobs? Okay, that works! Some guys just like to stare at boobs while they play a game. You can male gaze me all you want, that's what men do. Not only do they look at females, but they also run into the room and tell the other guys about hot girls they've seen. I work with young college guys, that's how they act. So animated boobs are a thing that they like too, with the popularity of anime and such. They don't care if it it's consensual or what, because it's a cartoon. And the minute we started caring about whether or not cartoons are having consensual sex is the minute humans have proved just how bored they are. With all the problems in the world right now, worrying about whether or not cartoons are having sex is nothing more than a distraction for you.
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mad_men_only: I did not, someone else did. I asked if artistic license should extend to depictions of sexual acts involving children.

The "objectives" of these games is arguable; the fact that depictions of rape are commonplace is not.
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TheGrimLord: No, the objectives of these games are not arguable. We are playing RPG's and action platformers here. The sex is merely an addition to them, but it doesn't negate the goal. I play them because they are sexy fun. Otherwise I might as well just watch porn. There is a definite game element there and some of it can just come off as pretty silly because it is a game in the truest sense and some of the sex comes out of nowhere. I don't take it seriously. Also, there are a lot of H-Game players who look at the market for games that can be played for the sake of games in general. Is it fun? Does have boobs? Okay, that works! Some guys just like to stare at boobs while they play a game. You can male gaze me all you want, that's what men do. Not only do they look at females, but they also run into the room and tell the other guys about hot girls they've seen. I work with young college guys, that's how they act. So animated boobs are a thing that they like too, with the popularity of anime and such. They don't care if it it's consensual or what, because it's a cartoon. And the minute we started caring about whether or not cartoons are having consensual sex is the minute humans have proved just how bored they are. With all the problems in the world right now, worrying about whether or not cartoons are having sex is nothing more than a distraction for you.
The objectives are entirely arguable, because the game mechanics that underlie them take full advantage of human psychology.

You may as well be arguing that profitability isn't the bottom line.
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TheGrimLord: No, the objectives of these games are not arguable. We are playing RPG's and action platformers here. The sex is merely an addition to them, but it doesn't negate the goal. I play them because they are sexy fun. Otherwise I might as well just watch porn. There is a definite game element there and some of it can just come off as pretty silly because it is a game in the truest sense and some of the sex comes out of nowhere. I don't take it seriously. Also, there are a lot of H-Game players who look at the market for games that can be played for the sake of games in general. Is it fun? Does have boobs? Okay, that works! Some guys just like to stare at boobs while they play a game. You can male gaze me all you want, that's what men do. Not only do they look at females, but they also run into the room and tell the other guys about hot girls they've seen. I work with young college guys, that's how they act. So animated boobs are a thing that they like too, with the popularity of anime and such. They don't care if it it's consensual or what, because it's a cartoon. And the minute we started caring about whether or not cartoons are having consensual sex is the minute humans have proved just how bored they are. With all the problems in the world right now, worrying about whether or not cartoons are having sex is nothing more than a distraction for you.
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mad_men_only: The objectives are entirely arguable, because the game mechanics that underlie them take full advantage of human psychology.

You may as well be arguing that profitability isn't the bottom line.
But it isn't. You're selling these Japanese developers short. You forget that many of the CG's are custom made and there are some legitimate stories that these indie groups put a lot of time and effort into. Even if there is a lot of sexuality, there's still work that went into the product. Absolutely, there are a lot of crap games on Steam of this nature where I'm basically doing puzzles or playing Tetris. I've been there, I've seen that crap and I've deleted them from my HD. But I know a story when there's a story and I've been pleasantly surprised with the gameplay elements and the stories in a few of these. They're not like the kind of for profit "Tetris clone" trash that appears on Steam and you have to actually play them to realize that. Sex does not make the game, but it is a part of it. Again, this isn't like a porn film - you actually have quests and objectives that can be won or failed. These games follow all the rules of a game in definition, which #1 being that it must have a way to be won. Sex does not equal victory, many of the sex scenes result in losing the game. Even if the game ends with a sex scene once completed, that doesn't negate this rule. You even get a sex orgy as a victory in Succubus (which I have finished) and I haven't seen complaining there.

I think this is a war against anime and you're probably another one of the angry furry's that constantly get called out on Twitter for their anti-lolicon but pro-beastiality stuff. Not to mention the fact that the lolicon community has been very active in calling out MAPs lately, something they really should be doing, as that kind of behavior and toddlercon are get against the wall material. And although I am not crazy about lolicons, I will applaud them in pointing out real child predators and people who chose to prey on animals or fantasize about it.
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mad_men_only: The objectives are entirely arguable, because the game mechanics that underlie them take full advantage of human psychology.

You may as well be arguing that profitability isn't the bottom line.
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TheGrimLord: But it isn't. You're selling these Japanese developers short. You forget that many of the CG's are custom made and there are some legitimate stories that these indie groups put a lot of time and effort into. Even if there is a lot of sexuality, there's still work that went into the product. Absolutely, there are a lot of crap games on Steam of this nature where I'm basically doing puzzles or playing Tetris. I've been there, I've seen that crap and I've deleted them from my HD. But I know a story when there's a story and I've been pleasantly surprised with the gameplay elements and the stories in a few of these. They're not like the kind of for profit "Tetris clone" trash that appears on Steam and you have to actually play them to realize that. Sex does not make the game, but it is a part of it. Again, this isn't like a porn film - you actually have quests and objectives that can be won or failed. These games follow all the rules of a game in definition, which #1 being that it must have a way to be won. Sex does not equal victory, many of the sex scenes result in losing the game. Even if the game ends with a sex scene once completed, that doesn't negate this rule. You even get a sex orgy as a victory in Succubus (which I have finished) and I haven't seen complaining there.

I think this is a war against anime and you're probably another one of the angry furry's that constantly get called out on Twitter for their anti-lolicon but pro-beastiality stuff. Not to mention the fact that the lolicon community has been very active in calling out MAPs lately, something they really should be doing, as that kind of behavior and toddlercon are get against the wall material. And although I am not crazy about lolicons, I will applaud them in pointing out real child predators and people who chose to prey on animals or fantasize about it.
Anyone who isn't motivated by profit isn't going to care if their content is designated "AO"; those who are motivated by profit care very much because that cuts into sales. Anyone who claims that recurring depictions of rape are nothing more than inconsequential scenery is helping to promote rape culture. It makes no difference if it's fiction because fiction contributes to culture just as much as nonfiction. Is rape culture acceptable? No, it is not.
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Plumb: I don't want art to be censored either.
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mad_men_only: Would that include art depicting sexual acts involving children?

Some people are easily offended, some aren't. We have to strike a balance if we are to live together, no?

Pretending AO isn't AO is deception, done because merchants like GOG don't want to take a public stand.
I'll repeat - I don't want art to be censored.

Am I against child porn? Absolutely, because it harms the child greatly.
Do I want to seek out art that depicts such things? No but If we are to live together, we should probably distinguish video games from reality.
I'm a bit of a social libertarian

That said, I'd have no issue with tags or age gates and warnings, etc
But I don't run the business. It's going to be whatever
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TheGrimLord: But it isn't. You're selling these Japanese developers short. You forget that many of the CG's are custom made and there are some legitimate stories that these indie groups put a lot of time and effort into. Even if there is a lot of sexuality, there's still work that went into the product. Absolutely, there are a lot of crap games on Steam of this nature where I'm basically doing puzzles or playing Tetris. I've been there, I've seen that crap and I've deleted them from my HD. But I know a story when there's a story and I've been pleasantly surprised with the gameplay elements and the stories in a few of these. They're not like the kind of for profit "Tetris clone" trash that appears on Steam and you have to actually play them to realize that. Sex does not make the game, but it is a part of it. Again, this isn't like a porn film - you actually have quests and objectives that can be won or failed. These games follow all the rules of a game in definition, which #1 being that it must have a way to be won. Sex does not equal victory, many of the sex scenes result in losing the game. Even if the game ends with a sex scene once completed, that doesn't negate this rule. You even get a sex orgy as a victory in Succubus (which I have finished) and I haven't seen complaining there.

I think this is a war against anime and you're probably another one of the angry furry's that constantly get called out on Twitter for their anti-lolicon but pro-beastiality stuff. Not to mention the fact that the lolicon community has been very active in calling out MAPs lately, something they really should be doing, as that kind of behavior and toddlercon are get against the wall material. And although I am not crazy about lolicons, I will applaud them in pointing out real child predators and people who chose to prey on animals or fantasize about it.
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mad_men_only: Anyone who isn't motivated by profit isn't going to care if their content is designated "AO"; those who are motivated by profit care very much because that cuts into sales. Anyone who claims that recurring depictions of rape are nothing more than inconsequential scenery is helping to promote rape culture. It makes no difference if it's fiction because fiction contributes to culture just as much as nonfiction. Is rape culture acceptable? No, it is not.
"rape culture?" Sir, your politics have no place here and that actually is against the Code Of Conduct. This is a political term intended to start a political discussion which has nothing to do with the game or it's mechanics. It is not allowed here. If you do not like this kind of content, that is fine and your decision. But you will not use your politics to demonize people who enjoy this content. Not on this platform. That is unfair to GOG and it's customers, as well as against the Code Of Conduct. That is all, and good day to you.
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mad_men_only: Anyone who isn't motivated by profit isn't going to care if their content is designated "AO"; those who are motivated by profit care very much because that cuts into sales. Anyone who claims that recurring depictions of rape are nothing more than inconsequential scenery is helping to promote rape culture. It makes no difference if it's fiction because fiction contributes to culture just as much as nonfiction. Is rape culture acceptable? No, it is not.
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TheGrimLord: "rape culture?" Sir, your politics have no place here and that actually is against the Code Of Conduct. This is a political term intended to start a political discussion which has nothing to do with the game or it's mechanics. It is not allowed here. If you do not like this kind of content, that is fine and your decision. But you will not use your politics to demonize people who enjoy this content. Not on this platform. That is unfair to GOG and it's customers, as well as against the Code Of Conduct. That is all, and good day to you.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with politics. You're defending what you yourself have acknowledged to be recurring depictions of rape, describing them in a manner that suggests you think they're inconsequential scenery, which makes rape a part of the culture this genre embodies. To suggest that it's art and should therefore be free from restriction is to suggest that it is in some way beautiful, so go ahead and tell us what you think is beautiful about rape.
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mad_men_only: Would that include art depicting sexual acts involving children?

Some people are easily offended, some aren't. We have to strike a balance if we are to live together, no?

Pretending AO isn't AO is deception, done because merchants like GOG don't want to take a public stand.
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Plumb: I'll repeat - I don't want art to be censored.

Am I against child porn? Absolutely, because it harms the child greatly.
Do I want to seek out art that depicts such things? No but If we are to live together, we should probably distinguish video games from reality.
I'm a bit of a social libertarian

That said, I'd have no issue with tags or age gates and warnings, etc
But I don't run the business. It's going to be whatever
This isn't a store that caters exclusively to customers seeking "adult" content. If it were we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Why is GOG slapping a generic warning stating that the content MAY be inappropriate for SOME people, on games that depict rape, when it is absolutely inappropriate for a great many people?

Because it's pretending that AO content isn't AO content by splitting off the rape scenes into an "unrated" DLC, which is sketchy to say the least. They're disinclined to publicly defend the selling of content that depicts rape, so they do it on the sly hoping no one will notice.
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TheGrimLord: "rape culture?" Sir, your politics have no place here and that actually is against the Code Of Conduct. This is a political term intended to start a political discussion which has nothing to do with the game or it's mechanics. It is not allowed here. If you do not like this kind of content, that is fine and your decision. But you will not use your politics to demonize people who enjoy this content. Not on this platform. That is unfair to GOG and it's customers, as well as against the Code Of Conduct. That is all, and good day to you.
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mad_men_only: It has nothing whatsoever to do with politics. You're defending what you yourself have acknowledged to be recurring depictions of rape, describing them in a manner that suggests you think they're inconsequential scenery, which makes rape a part of the culture this genre embodies. To suggest that it's art and should therefore be free from restriction is to suggest that it is in some way beautiful, so go ahead and tell us what you think is beautiful about rape.
Okay, you are starting to act like a mental patient over this. So if you're actually serious or just intending to troll me, I need to know now because this has gone on for far too long. Look, you have your beliefs and I have mine. I put rape and murder in the same box, which is that we don't do them in real life. Unless of course the murder is for one's own survival. When it comes to fiction, I don't take either seriously and neither should you.

If you want to go political, we'll go there. To hell with the code of conduct, they can just close the thread and it needs to be closed anyway at this point because no one really cares now. When you mention rape culture, you may as well tell me that you're an SJW or a feminist who blames everything on toxic masculinity, the male gaze and of course, gamergate. That term was born from the whole gamergate outrage that used to have it's home on Tumblr. Then when Tumblr got rid of all it's spicy content, the Tumblrites moved to Twitter. And here you are. Because I was born in the eighties, did not grow up with that shit and would hit you in the mouth if you ever mentioned it to me in person, I don't fucking care. Fuck your rape culture and fuck you.

Let's close this damn thread. I'm tired of this bullshit. Go on, lock it like the other one. It's past time for it.
Let's get back to the constructive discussion on this topic:

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amok: well, on steam and certain other sites, you can get a good number of soft pornographic visual novels and games which do not have sexual violence. it is missing here, but there are quite a few.
GOG is damaging their ability to sell the nice part of the genre, the 18+ game/visual novels which just feature consensual sex. Because GOG isn't putting a warning on games that have sexual violence, the safe assumption has to be that anything here that looks similar probably is similar.