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mad_men_only: That has no bearing on the soundness of my argument, or the weakness of your own.
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TheGrimLord: Oh, yes it does. This thread is for customers concerned about the content here. You aren't a customer. It's none of your business. People who complain about things they don't contribute to or have never supported are the worst kind of people. They also prove they're bored and have nothing else to do. Let GOG customers and supporters discuss this, not random people from the internet with an opinion. Until you've supported the platform in the past or present, you have no say.
You must be a bully because you have no authority here to say what you have said. Nor do you have any integrity.

Good day.
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TheGrimLord: Oh, yes it does. This thread is for customers concerned about the content here. You aren't a customer. It's none of your business. People who complain about things they don't contribute to or have never supported are the worst kind of people. They also prove they're bored and have nothing else to do. Let GOG customers and supporters discuss this, not random people from the internet with an opinion. Until you've supported the platform in the past or present, you have no say.
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mad_men_only: You must be a bully because you have no authority here to say what you have said. Nor do you have any integrity.

Good day.
You have no place here either. You don't come into a forum of a site that you do not support and then tell them how to operate. Call me a bully if you want, I have been here Since 2015 and have spent thousands over the years on these games. If GOG puts any kind of content warnings on games, it should be because people who have been longtime supporters asked them to, not random people elsewhere on the internet who feel the need to say their piece. Yes, even people who used to support the company but no longer do for one reason or another have a say in the matter, because they were customers in the past and are upset with several of GOG's decisions as of late. Remember, I'm in favor of the content filters and yes, maybe automatic may be the best solution like Steam and MangaGamer.

I'm not trying to be inherently crass. I just don't like when all these weird people we have never heard of start stating their pieces on GOG's forum like they have a decision in the matter.
Post edited February 11, 2022 by TheGrimLord
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mad_men_only: You must be a bully because you have no authority here to say what you have said. Nor do you have any integrity.

Good day.
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TheGrimLord: You have no place here either. You don't come into a forum of a site that you do not support and then tell them how to operate. Call me a bully if you want, I have been here Since 2015 and have spent thousands over the years on these games. If GOG puts any kind of content warnings on games, it should be because people who have been longtime supporters asked them to, not random people elsewhere on the internet who feel the need to say their piece. Yes, even people who used to support the company but no longer do for one reason or another have a say in the matter, because they were customers in the past and are upset with several of GOG's decisions as of late. Remember, I'm in favor of the content filters and yes, maybe automatic may be the best solution like Steam and MangaGamer.

I'm not trying to be inherently crass. I just don't like when all these weird people we have never heard of start stating their pieces on GOG's forum like they have a decision in the matter.
I have good news for you: you don't have to like it.

I'm not telling anyone what they have to do, just expressing an opinion that tries to balance the needs and desires of everyone.
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TheGrimLord: You have no place here either. You don't come into a forum of a site that you do not support and then tell them how to operate. Call me a bully if you want, I have been here Since 2015 and have spent thousands over the years on these games. If GOG puts any kind of content warnings on games, it should be because people who have been longtime supporters asked them to, not random people elsewhere on the internet who feel the need to say their piece. Yes, even people who used to support the company but no longer do for one reason or another have a say in the matter, because they were customers in the past and are upset with several of GOG's decisions as of late. Remember, I'm in favor of the content filters and yes, maybe automatic may be the best solution like Steam and MangaGamer.

I'm not trying to be inherently crass. I just don't like when all these weird people we have never heard of start stating their pieces on GOG's forum like they have a decision in the matter.
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mad_men_only: I have good news for you: you don't have to like it.

I'm not telling anyone what they have to do, just expressing an opinion that tries to balance the needs and desires of everyone.
Well, in my opinion it would matter more if you actually had skin in the game. Answer me this question, truthfully. If GOG did offer the filters and mark the content, everything that you would want done, would you buy a game here? If not, then your opinion has no place. At the end of the day GOG staff decides the final answer to all of this mess and we'll have to deal with what they come up with.
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patrikc: You might want to add this to your original post.
Thanks for the suggestion, have just done so.
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mad_men_only: The demarcation between what is real and what is fiction is purely subjective because our connection to what is real is a matter of perception
Seriously?! Like, if some crazy person perceives a fictional character as real, this character becomes actually, objectively real, and must be treated as a real person? This is nuts!!!

P.S. Just to be clear, I agree that there should be descriptions and notifications about content that can invoke strong negative emotions. As well as filters At least for convenience sake.

And I also agree that games can influence players' behavior. That's why children who only form their worldview and habits shouldn't be exposed to heavy and complex stuff.

My issue was purely with the "reality is subjective" argument. Not distinguishing between reality and fantasy is mental illness.
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mad_men_only: The demarcation between what is real and what is fiction is purely subjective because our connection to what is real is a matter of perception
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LootHunter: Seriously?! Like, if some crazy person perceives a fictional character as real, this character becomes actually, objectively real, and must be treated as a real person? This is nuts!!!

P.S. Just to be clear, I agree that there should be descriptions and notifications about content that can invoke strong negative emotions. As well as filters At least for convenience sake.

And I also agree that games can influence players' behavior. That's why children who only form their worldview and habits shouldn't be exposed to heavy and complex stuff.

My issue was purely with the "reality is subjective" argument. Not distinguishing between reality and fantasy is mental illness.
Perhaps you shouldn't have snipped out where I said "it isn't as cut and dried as you seem to think it is".

What I'm saying is objectivity only exists to the extent that we have self-awareness and understand the limitations of human perception, and make a serious effort to correct for them.

Most of us assume that "news" constitutes reality. I would argue that those who fall into that trap have only a marginal ability to distinguish what is real from what isn't, as our baseline for reality is nothing more than assumption. At present, "reality" is little more than shared delusion.

Anyway, glad we found some common ground.
It's not real. We've got so many messiahs willing to die on this hill. People really need to understand the difference between fact and fiction. Censoring or banning things doesn't help that. We don't just give people water wings for the rest of their lives - they eventually learn how to swim. And eventually that means navigating the waters of the adult world. I guarantee I can find things on the internet that are not only more horrendous than anything in the deepest part of this genre, and they're real. Maybe the truth is that these games reflect a dark part of humanity that they're not ready to accept yet. You can't live in a bubble your entire life - there are some guaranteed evil things that happen in the real world, and these games show you that in a fictional element. Especially the truly dark stuff.
Post edited February 12, 2022 by TheGrimLord
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TheGrimLord: It's not real. We've got so many messiahs willing to die on this hill. People really need to understand the difference between fact and fiction. Censoring or banning things doesn't help that. We don't just give people water wings for the rest of their lives - they eventually learn how to swim. And eventually that means navigating the waters of the adult world. I guarantee I can find things on the internet that are not only more horrendous than anything in the deepest part of this genre, and they're real. Maybe the truth is that these games reflect a dark part of humanity that they're not ready to accept yet. You can't live in a bubble your entire life - there are some guaranteed evil things that happen in the real world, and these games show you that in a fictional element. Especially the truly dark stuff.
Your words tell me you're either addicted to this stuff, or part of the industry that sells it.
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TheGrimLord: It's not real. We've got so many messiahs willing to die on this hill. People really need to understand the difference between fact and fiction. Censoring or banning things doesn't help that. We don't just give people water wings for the rest of their lives - they eventually learn how to swim. And eventually that means navigating the waters of the adult world. I guarantee I can find things on the internet that are not only more horrendous than anything in the deepest part of this genre, and they're real. Maybe the truth is that these games reflect a dark part of humanity that they're not ready to accept yet. You can't live in a bubble your entire life - there are some guaranteed evil things that happen in the real world, and these games show you that in a fictional element. Especially the truly dark stuff.
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mad_men_only: Your words tell me you're either addicted to this stuff, or part of the industry that sells it.
I don't want art to be censored either.
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TheGrimLord: It's not real. We've got so many messiahs willing to die on this hill. People really need to understand the difference between fact and fiction. Censoring or banning things doesn't help that. We don't just give people water wings for the rest of their lives - they eventually learn how to swim. And eventually that means navigating the waters of the adult world. I guarantee I can find things on the internet that are not only more horrendous than anything in the deepest part of this genre, and they're real. Maybe the truth is that these games reflect a dark part of humanity that they're not ready to accept yet. You can't live in a bubble your entire life - there are some guaranteed evil things that happen in the real world, and these games show you that in a fictional element. Especially the truly dark stuff.
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mad_men_only: Your words tell me you're either addicted to this stuff, or part of the industry that sells it.
What can I say? I love erotic stories. Far better than reading about genocide, which you know - actually has happened quite a bit throughout human history.
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TheGrimLord: Can I let you in on a not so little secret that is widely known to every person who has ever played an H-RPG in their life? In 99% of H-RPG's with monsters, the monsters ALWAYS rape the adventurers. ALWAYS. That is a staple of the H-RPG genre.

In action/platformer ryona type games, the monsters ALWAYS rape the protagonist if caught (like a tentacle roper monster) or upon defeat. I can't believe you didn't know this. It's literally H-Game 101. Hide your kids, hide your wife, because there is a whole lot of raping going on. Lol.
If most of these games contain depictions of non-consensual graphic sexual scenes, should GOG mark them accordingly or not?

Something else...
Four days ago this happened in a game release thread:

richlind33: There's nothing offensive about calling rape porn, rape porn, unless you're not completely sure that rape porn isn't offensive.

Come to your senses, GOG, while you still can.
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TheGrimLord: Uttering those terms alone is against the code of conduct. Let's observe it and be more respectful. You may not agree with the decisions of the store, but that doesn't mean you can use those terms in description. It may be better to talk to a forum moderator for sure.
Your words two days ago, in a different release thread:

Keep in mind, the uncensored version does contain scenes of rape as in the hentai games you don't like. In fact, the second cutscene with the main character and his girlfriend (and I played it, so can verify) features the two of them having sex, but he becomes very forceful and aggressive while she screams "no, stop!" and eventually throws him off of her and asks what the fuck his problem was.
Does GOG need to mark that as rape porn as well? Also, when the tentacle monster gets a hold of you, I've heard from players that rape is also involved. So are we going to be upset if the adult patch is added and the rape is restored?
Can you see the issue here?

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TheGrimLord: Also, let me be real with everyone and the mods right now. Richlind33 gave me a "404 Error" when I clicked to see his profile. That's not normal. Something very fishy is going on at GOG forums and the mods need to look into it.
Certain profiles will return a blank page and that's because those users have them disabled. It's been like that for years.
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mad_men_only: Your words tell me you're either addicted to this stuff, or part of the industry that sells it.
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Plumb: I don't want art to be censored either.
Would that include art depicting sexual acts involving children?

Some people are easily offended, some aren't. We have to strike a balance if we are to live together, no?

Pretending AO isn't AO is deception, done because merchants like GOG don't want to take a public stand.
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TheGrimLord: Can I let you in on a not so little secret that is widely known to every person who has ever played an H-RPG in their life? In 99% of H-RPG's with monsters, the monsters ALWAYS rape the adventurers. ALWAYS. That is a staple of the H-RPG genre.

In action/platformer ryona type games, the monsters ALWAYS rape the protagonist if caught (like a tentacle roper monster) or upon defeat. I can't believe you didn't know this. It's literally H-Game 101. Hide your kids, hide your wife, because there is a whole lot of raping going on. Lol.
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patrikc: If most of these games contain depictions of non-consensual graphic sexual scenes, should GOG mark them accordingly or not?

Something else...
Four days ago this happened in a game release thread:

richlind33: There's nothing offensive about calling rape porn, rape porn, unless you're not completely sure that rape porn isn't offensive.

Come to your senses, GOG, while you still can.
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TheGrimLord: Uttering those terms alone is against the code of conduct. Let's observe it and be more respectful. You may not agree with the decisions of the store, but that doesn't mean you can use those terms in description. It may be better to talk to a forum moderator for sure.
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patrikc: Your words two days ago, in a different release thread:

Keep in mind, the uncensored version does contain scenes of rape as in the hentai games you don't like. In fact, the second cutscene with the main character and his girlfriend (and I played it, so can verify) features the two of them having sex, but he becomes very forceful and aggressive while she screams "no, stop!" and eventually throws him off of her and asks what the fuck his problem was.
Does GOG need to mark that as rape porn as well? Also, when the tentacle monster gets a hold of you, I've heard from players that rape is also involved. So are we going to be upset if the adult patch is added and the rape is restored?
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patrikc: Can you see the issue here?

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TheGrimLord: Also, let me be real with everyone and the mods right now. Richlind33 gave me a "404 Error" when I clicked to see his profile. That's not normal. Something very fishy is going on at GOG forums and the mods need to look into it.
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patrikc: Certain profiles will return a blank page and that's because those users have them disabled. It's been like that for years.
If I'm explaining in the context of game mechanics (because rape is an actual game mechanic as well as struggle) then it should not break the code of conduct. But calling them simply rape games is erroneous and rude, because that is not the object of the game. The object of any action/platformer ryona is the same as any action platformer - to complete it. The object is to avoid the rape mechanic as it often ends up in life drain or a game over screen. The same can be said for an ero-RPG. They are still RPG's and the same goal is in mind. Traveling the world, crawling through dungeons and defeating monsters. Rape is a mechanic and used in 99% of them, but it is not the goal or defining factor of an ero-RPG or an H-RPG.

In fact, we just had a new one release called Duel Princess which is a combination of strategy, roguelike and tower defense. The community really seems to love that one. So H-Games and ero-games are games, and it is dishonest, rude and a violation of the CoC to call them "rape games." That's a derogatory term that should not be repeated here.

Also, on a real note here I need to explain that you're not a mod and you need to stop telling me what I can and cannot say on this forum. I have not yet seen one mod say that my stuff has been out of line on this thread, nor the one you posted. I cannot see the problem, because you're making one where there isn't one. Stop it. You are not going to moderate my speech here. But yes, I do think the mods need to stop this derogatory term "rape game" from being utilized, because it is as derogatory as if you were to call games for LGBTQ games "Games for bundles of sticks." That's not a good way to describe a game, even if it has that kind of content in it. This is why we also don't call a lot of games here "murder simulators" because it's derogatory. Let's show the games some respect, even if we don't respect them, eh?
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TheGrimLord: But calling them simply rape games is erroneous and rude, because that is not the object of the game.
I'm in favour of calling them rape games, and I don't care if it offends the feeling of people who play such games.