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General discussionGog should make it clear if games contain violent porn(158 posts)(158 posts)
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This is my favourite topic
Posted February 09, 2022
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bombardier: I am not saying that. GoG is already saying that. There are existing cases of games being rejected by GoG,
It is called curation.
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TheGrimLord: If you want me to be honest, I'm surprised GOG would partner with Kagura in the first place. They're indie doujin and the indie doujin market has always been a bit less than acceptable to common tastes in adult content. Also, these games are usually priced much lower on sites like MangaGamer than per se, the upcoming Erovoice which is a big company work. Big company games sell for about $40 > while Kagura stuff has always sold much lower at about $10-20. Further contrasting, Evenicle 2 sells for $35 while many of these sell under $20. There's a big difference because these are regarded as small indie projects from doujin circles. Instead of getting more from the big guys like Jast, MangaGamer, Sekai and others - they're selling all these small Kaguras.

My honest assumption is that they don' t have anything else to really offer at the moment. In fact, Kagura said they were hesitant about bringing their next game over to GOG. I was told, "We're not sure yet." So the staff is quietly reading these threads.
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nightcraw1er.488: Interestingly I saw on the news today that porn sites will, even if not commercial, be required to validate identity and age of those using the site, credit check, photo Id etc. I would guess that this would apply to gog and other games stores as well that sell porn (regardless of what term it’s called).
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TheGrimLord: Women on Only Fans will complain it hurts them somehow and then it's done. Just like last time.

Edit: Oh, this is the UK. (Laughs in American)

[url=https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/8/22923203/uk-porn-sites-verify-age-id-check-online-safety-bill

Seriously, this is gonna be a mess. Most people (including youths) know about VPN and probably have more knowledge on this adult stuff than I do, sadly. But I don't think a lot of people are going to be willing to put their ID and personal info in so they can access Spankbang. Performers will also complain. I know very well why this happened and it is a step in the right direction to stop high school girls from getting on OF, but it pushes towards more internet regulation and people will not be overly happy about that. Most Brits should be using VPN's anyway, considering you need to have an internet license.

Of course, the UK based Only Fans is largely to blame for all this and it is too little, too late for that now.
Of course, it’s always going to be a mess, all tech regulation is like that. Just look at American tech forms a bow to pay tax around world. Never heard of an internet license? As for putting Id online, everything is now. Money has all gone digital, no cash, payments are card. Health is all online. Very thing in life is online. As an American you should be aware of that?
I don’t know much about only fans, but a check of Wikipedia shows it’s owned by a Ukrainian-American who runs the myfreecams website in the US which is apparently an “adult” site.
Posted February 09, 2022
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amok: most people have only seen pictures by Picasso when they have seen cubist pictures. Therefore, cubsim is only Picassos paintings and his style.

edit - in other words, who are you to redefine a genre?
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TheGrimLord: Have you seen the Twitter wars over this stuff? It got so bad that normies like the complaining above actually started harassing Japanese artists over this kind of stuff, calling them horrible things. They have harassed companies as well. This stuff gets brutal. Dragon Maid had an Oppai loli character, these people went mad. Before that it was another character that actually had real Japanese women who were short and had very large breasts over the age of 18 to post their pictures to prove that real women looked like this. Again, we are talking about people who in some ways believe that all cartoons are for children and they must not be sexual and all characters in them must be children because of the way they are drawn. This has gotten brutal on Twitter, which is why myself and the mods agree it is not a topic for this forum. People got doxxed, a lot of people being calling hentai artists out were found to be child predators themselves.

This is just not good talk in general and it can only lead to horrible things on the forum. The best thing GOG can do if they want to stop this, is to get the adult content filters up. This needs to happen now, not later or things will only escalate beyond the locking of threads.
again, you are going inot detail and specifics of single examples. I am talking about "that's the genre", which is objetivly wrong - as the genre called "Hentai" includes all types of pornographic and erotic manga / anime. No mattter what people are talking about on twitter... this does not re-define the genre, nor are you by yourself able to do so. Nor does the genre change dependable on which games gOg does or does not sell.
Post edited February 09, 2022 by amok
Posted February 09, 2022
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TheGrimLord: As it was explained, that is basically hentai. So pretty much every single hentai game on the site would be marked as violent. There's not one single hentai game on the site without rape or very aggressive sex, that's the genre. Y
How about just marking them as "Hentai"? Why isn't that done already? No, "This Game may contain content not appropriate for all ages or may not be appropriate for viewing at work" doesn't cut it.
Posted February 09, 2022
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TheGrimLord: My honest assumption is that they don' t have anything else to really offer at the moment. In fact, Kagura said they were hesitant about bringing their next game over to GOG. I was told, "We're not sure yet." So the staff is quietly reading these threads.
Now if only GoG staff would read this, since this mess is really their own doing.
We are now a long time since the first porn game being sold, and two months since the frequency of releases of games of these genre matched the frequency of release of other genres and not a single mention of this issue from GoG staff.
They really had enough time to implement some kind of filtering functionality by now.
Posted February 09, 2022
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I'm sure this topic will end just as well as the previous ones that get locked, lol.

If it is true that generally speaking GOG is hesitant to bring more adult games to the store because of armchair moralists whining, though, that is pretty disappointing.
Posted February 09, 2022
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Posted February 09, 2022
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A reminder: There are laws that individuals & corporations must obey.

This is not about personal opinions so I ask to stop wasting energy on endless GOG community discussion loops or asking to vote GOG wishes that the lazy & inept GOG staff will laugh and will never attend... damn it!

If there is real concern, engage your local authorities.
Posted February 09, 2022
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tag+: A reminder: There are laws that individuals & corporations must obey.
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Reminder: The laws individual and companies must obey change from country to country, and depends completely on where you reside.
Post edited February 09, 2022 by amok
Posted February 09, 2022
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TheGrimLord: If you want me to be honest, I'm surprised GOG would partner with Kagura in the first place. They're indie doujin and the indie doujin market has always been a bit less than acceptable to common tastes in adult content. Also, these games are usually priced much lower on sites like MangaGamer than per se, the upcoming Erovoice which is a big company work. Big company games sell for about $40 > while Kagura stuff has always sold much lower at about $10-20. Further contrasting, Evenicle 2 sells for $35 while many of these sell under $20. There's a big difference because these are regarded as small indie projects from doujin circles. Instead of getting more from the big guys like Jast, MangaGamer, Sekai and others - they're selling all these small Kaguras.

My honest assumption is that they don' t have anything else to really offer at the moment. In fact, Kagura said they were hesitant about bringing their next game over to GOG. I was told, "We're not sure yet." So the staff is quietly reading these threads.

Women on Only Fans will complain it hurts them somehow and then it's done. Just like last time.

Edit: Oh, this is the UK. (Laughs in American)

[url=https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/8/22923203/uk-porn-sites-verify-age-id-check-online-safety-bill

Seriously, this is gonna be a mess. Most people (including youths) know about VPN and probably have more knowledge on this adult stuff than I do, sadly. But I don't think a lot of people are going to be willing to put their ID and personal info in so they can access Spankbang. Performers will also complain. I know very well why this happened and it is a step in the right direction to stop high school girls from getting on OF, but it pushes towards more internet regulation and people will not be overly happy about that. Most Brits should be using VPN's anyway, considering you need to have an internet license.

Of course, the UK based Only Fans is largely to blame for all this and it is too little, too late for that now.
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nightcraw1er.488: Of course, it’s always going to be a mess, all tech regulation is like that. Just look at American tech forms a bow to pay tax around world. Never heard of an internet license? As for putting Id online, everything is now. Money has all gone digital, no cash, payments are card. Health is all online. Very thing in life is online. As an American you should be aware of that?
I don’t know much about only fans, but a check of Wikipedia shows it’s owned by a Ukrainian-American who runs the myfreecams website in the US which is apparently an “adult” site.
You literally don't know about Only Fans? No, it is a UK based website. I have no idea what you researched, but that's wrong. The owner is based in the UK.

Now they are trying to bring back this Earn It bill here which gives the government the ability to declare what is porn and of course this is going to upset a lot of sex workers over here and it's going to be a real mess. It'll get struck down again as big companies like Google have already struck this stuff down before. Literally a bunch of angry Republicans screaming "think of the children!" which never solved anything. In fact, it puts the children at even more risk.
Post edited February 09, 2022 by TheGrimLord
Posted February 09, 2022
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TheGrimLord: Yes, but Steam sells it all day long and no one bats an eye. They even put it in Steam sales. What makes GOG so different?
I don't get your question. We're not on Steam. We ask GOG to do a lot of things Steam doesn't, like provide DRM-Free games. What does a comparison to Steam have to do with anything?
Posted February 09, 2022
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morolf: OP snip
I believe something like DLsite and VNDB do would be ideal, where there's a part of the title's store page in which the types of smut contents in the game are listed (even if just the main ones).
Posted February 09, 2022
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TheGrimLord: Yes, but Steam sells it all day long and no one bats an eye. They even put it in Steam sales. What makes GOG so different?
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paladin181: I don't get your question. We're not on Steam. We ask GOG to do a lot of things Steam doesn't, like provide DRM-Free games. What does a comparison to Steam have to do with anything?
You ask for DRM-Free games, not complete tailoring to whatever you want, regardless if it affects other buyers. People do buy this content and they do profit from it. Evenicle sold well here and it has that content. So there were sales and GOG kept up with that. There are buyers for this market, it is not just catering to you.

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morolf: OP snip
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_Auster_: I believe something like DLsite and VNDB do would be ideal, where there's a part of the title's store page in which the types of smut contents in the game are listed (even if just the main ones).
I don't see them going that far, honestly. I know what you're talking about and yes, people can just type in the name of a game and find out what it has in it (or what was removed) from VNDB or DLSite, but it is just easier to filter out that content entirely from the people who don't want it. This whole thing boils down to "we need an adult content filter so that people do not see materials they find objectionable."

Let's go one step further and add a filter for anime games in general. I humbly believe that most people who are opposed to the hentai content here will be opposed to the anime content in general. Often it is the look of the characters that turns people off. I explained in my own thread on this that to an older person unfamiliar with the genre, they may not understand what it is or the target audience and that is fine. By filtering the content under anime, this also means that you would still see western 18+ games, which some of you may prefer more. An anime tag would be greatly helpful here.
Post edited February 09, 2022 by TheGrimLord
Posted February 09, 2022
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paladin181: I don't get your question. We're not on Steam. We ask GOG to do a lot of things Steam doesn't, like provide DRM-Free games. What does a comparison to Steam have to do with anything?
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TheGrimLord: You ask for DRM-Free games, not complete tailoring to whatever you want, regardless if it affects other buyers. People do buy this content and they do profit from it. Evenicle sold well here and it has that content. So there were sales and GOG kept up with that. There are buyers for this market, it is not just catering to you.
I personally don't care if it profits. Love of money is the root of all evil. You didn't answer my question though. What does what Steam does have to do with what people here are saying? I'm not even joining in the argument about the content. (Rape and pedo porn .Should. Not. Exist. , but that is beside the point) I was asking why what another store does is relevant. If you like how Steam does things, then go to Steam,
Posted February 09, 2022
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TheGrimLord: You ask for DRM-Free games, not complete tailoring to whatever you want, regardless if it affects other buyers. People do buy this content and they do profit from it. Evenicle sold well here and it has that content. So there were sales and GOG kept up with that. There are buyers for this market, it is not just catering to you.
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paladin181: I personally don't care if it profits. Love of money is the root of all evil. You didn't answer my question though. What does what Steam does have to do with what people here are saying? I'm not even joining in the argument about the content. (Rape and pedo porn .Should. Not. Exist. , but that is beside the point) I was asking why what another store does is relevant. If you like how Steam does things, then go to Steam,
Sir, you're breaking CoC with this response. Just because you do not like a thing (and nothing here is CSAM so please do not say erroneous things - your opinion is not dignified fact) does not mean it has no right to exist. You do not determine what they have here and yes, GOG is a store. They sell products here. You cannot tell a shopkeeper what he can and cannot sell. He can recommend you to another store.
Posted February 09, 2022
I just want these games moved to a separate section and not splashed all over the front page. My kids come to this site, and I've had to take it off bookmarks because of the porn.

I'm not a moralist to object to its existence. Hell, I laughed a ton at HuniePop. But can we just put these games in the little room at the back of the video store, please?
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General discussionGog should make it clear if games contain violent porn(158 posts)(158 posts)
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