WinterSnowfall: Thanks for the laughs :P. I swear this is how these kind of threads look like to me...

CatGog2017: Trick the system how? The dlc is not mandatory right? Don't want what's in the dlc? Don't download it.

I'm confused by this desire to prevent others from seeing something that other people don't want to see, assuming that's your point.

No one cares if you like my little pony or whatever it is you like, why should someone ELSE care about what I might like?

Don't go looking for trouble, focus on the man/woman/unicorn in the mirror.

TheGrimLord: But don't let logic get in the way of your puritanism.

paladin181: You're only looking at this from the point of view of someone with a familiarity for this type of media. Some people don't want anything to do with it, and aren't familiar with any common traits of a lot of it. Some of us aren't interested in the material at all. And as such won't know anything about h games or whatnot. If a game is labeled as such, then it is reasonable to expect filters for explicit content to filter it out. If those don't work, and there aren't appropriate tags, If a game looks good otherwise and I buy it, then find out it has content I strongly oppose, that would bother me tremendously. You can't assume everyone has the same level of knowledge about a subject you do.

CatGog2017: Trick the system how? The dlc is not mandatory right? Don't want what's in the dlc? Don't download it.

I'm confused by this desire to prevent others from seeing something that other people don't want to see, assuming that's your point.

No one cares if you like my little pony or whatever it is you like, why should someone ELSE care about what I might like?

Don't go looking for trouble, focus on the man/woman/unicorn in the mirror.

TheGrimLord: Please go look at the thread for Lust From Beyond M Edition. People are requesting the adult version which according to a review I posted, also contains rape and monster rape as well as necrophilia. So we have to make the distinction here. Is it just images that look like people who can rape or be raped by monsters? They can have sex with dead bodies too? It is only cartoons who can't rape or be raped?

That is the very definition of hypocrisy and double standards. Also, not only did the review state that it had rape in it, but it also had murder porn and torture porn. Cartoons can't but realistic people can? The difference is in the art style?

mad_men_only: Why shouldn't all of the content be accurately described? How is that offensive to those who want it?

mad_men_only: So literally anything goes when it comes to fiction? How about raping on the basis of ethnicity or skin pigmentation, that should also be acceptable because it's fiction?

Are you really complaining about double standards, or are you opposed to having any standards?

TheGrimLord: Yes. Anything goes when it comes to fiction. If you'd like, I can provide numerous examples of books where every manner of debauchery has been featured. We don't ban things because they offend people. Get over yourself.

mad_men_only: According to who, you?

According to the CoC: We don’t tolerate hate speech, intimidation, harassment, sexual, racial, or ethnic slurs, and discrimination.

I don't see an exclusion for fiction, so why shouldn't content that many are sure to find offensive have a warning that accurately describes what it is?

TheGrimLord: Those are the forum rules sir, that says nothing about the games. We sell Postal. Every single forum rule will have been broken if we judged the Postal series by that rubric. You can't be serious.

mad_men_only: I'm not talking about whether or not it should be sold, I'm saying that is should be accurately described so that no one is offended.

TheGrimLord: You're not even a customer. Just someone from Reddit or similar. I don't care about your opinion, you have never bought a single game here before.

mad_men_only: That has no bearing on the soundness of my argument, or the weakness of your own.

milkymylk: This is a complicated topic and I don't really have time to get into detail, but I'll do my best to keep it short:
Firstly, that is tragic. Not just that it happened to that poor girl, but that your acquaintance is in such an unhealthy mental state.

However, stopping the normalization of rape begins through education of the young and better support systems for people with mental health issues and keeping with punishments when real people are harmed, not through banning fictional content for adults.

Remember, we're talking about games for adults, with content and settings that aren't real. Children and teenagers should not be getting their hands on this content. And if they are, that's the parent's responsibility to make sure they're not - not a store's, the government's, or anyone else's responsibility.

So... if children aren't seeing violent content, and people are being taught by society "we don't harm others," "rape/violence has these effects on people, and that's not a good thing," calling out demeaning behavior towards others, and donating to charities and foundations that actually provide services many of us cannot... Any single part of that list will actually do more for society than banning fictional content for adults.

If adults cannot tell the difference between reality and fiction, so much that they're affected by what they read/see, then they need to talk to others about it - friends, family, and/or a mental health professional. It's a mental health issue in those cases - because normal, healthy, well-adjusted people do not confuse the two.
Remember that this is separate to personal feelings on the matter! You can be outraged about certain content all you want. But that doesn't mean it should be illegal or censored, when no real people were hurt.

The other problem with calling for bans is... it will never end, once you start banning one type of fiction, someone else will want more added to the list, even stuff you have no issue with. Think of your own favorite fictional media, and how it would feel if someone called for it to get banned. I'm not even talking extreme content here - think of the 90s and "violent games create violent people" argument, or back when showing anything over the ankle on women was considered "pornographic" and worthy of censorship.

mad_men_only: The demarcation between what is real and what is fiction is purely subjective because our connection to what is real is a matter of perception, so it is not nearly as cut and dried as you seem to think it is. Whatever a person does the most will become the easiest thing for that person to do, eventually reaching a point where conscious volition will no longer be required, and their perception of reality will be skewed as a result.

I'm not advocating for banning content that can be deemed obscene, only that it be described accurately enough so that those who are likely to be offended are warned in advance. Saying that it is "mature" or "adult" is insufficient because that is a very broad category, and people who are offended by content that depicts rape aren't necessarily offend by nudity, sex, or violence.