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octalot: Before someone assumes I'm just talking about kids, one of the examples is used is a spouse. I'd also consider the example of a friend that you've given a word-of-mouth recommendation to.
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TheGrimLord: I guess the same way Steam does it. I dunno, that's more of a GOG question because I'm not sure how they'd handle it.
Filters being on by default would work, and AFAIK that's part of Steam's solution.

Given that you want the filters to be off by default, what's your solution to the example of the word-of-mouth recommendation?

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TheGrimLord: ... If she's a woman worth keeping, then she'll understand. ...
First a lot of text that it could be an issue, then a lot of text that it wouldn't be an issue. The spouse example doesn't seem to have been worth posting.
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amok: No, that only means that you only know a very limited range of Hentai.... Hentai by itself is a term cover all erotic / pornographic manga and anime, not only those who have violent sex. There are many different types of erotic manga / anime, some very soft, some qutesi, some aimed at women etc.

As a bonus point, the term Hentai is only used outside Japan. Within Japan they use "ero manga" or "ero anime" instead.
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LootHunter: Actually, in Japan term Hentai means pervert/perverted. So, in that sense, it's closer to what TheGrimLord described.
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indeed, that's what the worrd means. but as an identifier of a genre, "Hentai" is only used outside Japan. it has been adopted by non-Japanese as a genre name for a certain type of anime / managa.

I never claimed anywhere what the word meant, only what the genre is, so it is apples and ornages here. look up the defenition of the genre "Hentai", instead of what the word means.

and pervert can apply to much more than just violent pornography, that meaning only depends on your own moral compass. i.e. if you are homophopic then gay sex is perverted. BDSM does not need to be violent, but it all can be seen as perverted if you are very straight. if you are a racist, then miscegenation is perverted. a voyour that gets his/her kick from watching can be seen as perverted, and so on. an old man sniffing panties can be seen as perverted, but it is far from violent sex... anyway, this is just a side point as the discussion is on what is the genre of "Hentai"

edit - indeed, some would argue that you would need to be perverted to get any kick out of watching a cartoon or animation, no matter how plain or straight the sex is potrayed there. some would say it is perverted to watch any type of erotica / pornography.
Post edited February 09, 2022 by amok
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milkymylk: Please invest your time and energy into helping real people, saving REAL CHILDREN, instead of wasting everyone's energy on your own personal tastes around fictional content.
Isn't stopping normalization of rape actually saving the real children?

A guy I went to elementary school ended up serving two year sentence for rape.
Even after that whole ordeal, he was still unable to acknowledge that what he did was rape.
To him, it was just three guys having fun with a drug addicted girl. They actually "payed" her with drugs so it must not be rape.
He is still mad at the victim for "mistakenly" thinking that it was a rape.
Post edited February 09, 2022 by bombardier
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milkymylk: Please invest your time and energy into helping real people, saving REAL CHILDREN, instead of wasting everyone's energy on your own personal tastes around fictional content.
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bombardier: Isn't stopping normalization of rape actually saving the real children?

A guy I went to elementary school ended up serving two year sentence for rape.
Even after that whole ordeal, he was still unable to acknowledge that what he did was rape.
To him, it was just three guys having fun with a drug addicted girl. They actually "payed" her with drugs so it must not be rape.
He is still mad at the victim for "mistakenly" thinking that it was a rape.
And of cause, it was hentai games that instilled your classmate with such a view on sex. What next? Blame FPS games for school shootings? Oh, wait...
Surely the simplest answer is to follow the example of the film industry (which contains plenty of examples of "non consensual" activity) with ratings and categories. Currently, game cards don't seem to include any PEGI information (so perhaps that should change) and given that "adult content" games already have a warning page, it doesn't seem too much of a stretch to have a second "advisory" on checkout ("Part of this purchase includes games rated for adult content. Confirm?").

Avoiding front-page promotions of adult content (or at least limiting it to a text description and game card link) seems basic prudence, though there are plenty of other games that could spell "spouse trouble"...
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Post edited May 24, 2022 by clarry
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AstralWanderer: Currently, game cards don't seem to include any PEGI information (so perhaps that should change)
They do provided two criteria are met:
- Your IP is in a jurisdiction where PEGI is used
- The game was rated under the PEGI system

If you look at the Witcher 3, you will see it has the full PEGI information - 18+, Bad Language and Violence. Note that the Witcher 3 isn't PEGI flagged with Sex as the level of sexual content is considered not worthy of additional disclosure for a PEGI 18 rating (i.e. it doesn't meet the criteria of explicit sex - you might disagree, but these are the ratings rules under PEGI). If the Witcher 3 were rated PEGI 16, it would have had an additional sex disclosure. You can validate this on the PEGI site itself.

One suspects that a lot of the anime/VNs/erotic RPGs just aren't rated under the PEGI system. I don't think that there is a legal requirement in the UK for PEGI ratings on games supplied solely in electronic format.
Post edited February 09, 2022 by pds41
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pds41: [...] I don't think that there is a legal requirement in the UK for PEGI ratings on games supplied solely in electronic format.
no, it is not legal requierment anywhere. it is an indutry self-regulated standard that publishers commit contrctually to, to be able to partisipate and use. so if a publisher don't want to participate, they do not need to. the implications are that some retailers demand ratings before they sell them, but again it is not a legal requierment
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pds41: [...] I don't think that there is a legal requirement in the UK for PEGI ratings on games supplied solely in electronic format.
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amok: no, it is not legal requierment anywhere. it is an indutry self-regulated standard that publishers commit contrctually to, to be able to partisipate and use. so if a publisher don't want to participate, they do not need to. the implications are that some retailers demand ratings before they sell them, but again it is not a legal requierment
Good point - I misread the rules. The ratings are legally enforceable on physical sales in the UK, but there's no requirement to seek a rating.

Either way, PEGI ratings are included on GoG sales cards where they exist.
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milkymylk: Please invest your time and energy into helping real people, saving REAL CHILDREN, instead of wasting everyone's energy on your own personal tastes around fictional content.
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bombardier: Isn't stopping normalization of rape actually saving the real children?

A guy I went to elementary school ended up serving two year sentence for rape.
Even after that whole ordeal, he was still unable to acknowledge that what he did was rape.
To him, it was just three guys having fun with a drug addicted girl. They actually "payed" her with drugs so it must not be rape.
He is still mad at the victim for "mistakenly" thinking that it was a rape.
I call BS. Rape in elementary school? I was more interested in the power Rangers back then. Where in the hell did ya'll attend elementary school? Is it that damn bad now that you have five year olds raping? Might as well send a meteor down at that point. That's Transmetropolitan level shit.

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TheGrimLord: I guess the same way Steam does it. I dunno, that's more of a GOG question because I'm not sure how they'd handle it.
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octalot: Filters being on by default would work, and AFAIK that's part of Steam's solution.

Given that you want the filters to be off by default, what's your solution to the example of the word-of-mouth recommendation?

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TheGrimLord: ... If she's a woman worth keeping, then she'll understand. ...
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octalot: First a lot of text that it could be an issue, then a lot of text that it wouldn't be an issue. The spouse example doesn't seem to have been worth posting.
Yeah, you're right. And no, the spousal issue is a fault of failure to communicate properly in a relationship. If she has your testicles in a bag somewhere, then you're not a man imo and therefore, she will not respect you. She will continue to berate you, because she sees you as less than her. This is why Twitch performers get away with yelling at their pay pigs. They don't see them as men, they're less than. But that is a different conversation.
Post edited February 09, 2022 by TheGrimLord
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This game and all others like it are garbage and they drag humanity down.
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Narushima: This game and all others like it are garbage and they drag humanity down.
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Narushima: This game and all others like it are garbage and they drag humanity down.
Humanity was never good to begin with. We've been in the pits for thousands of years now, but surely a hentai game or two is the defining feature. Get real.

Of course the troll would agree with you.
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LootHunter: Actually, in Japan term Hentai means pervert/perverted. So, in that sense, it's closer to what TheGrimLord described.
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amok: indeed, that's what the worrd means. but as an identifier of a genre, "Hentai" is only used outside Japan. it has been adopted by non-Japanese as a genre name for a certain type of anime / managa.

I never claimed anywhere what the word meant, only what the genre is, so it is apples and ornages here. look up the defenition of the genre "Hentai", instead of what the word means.

and pervert can apply to much more than just violent pornography, that meaning only depends on your own moral compass. i.e. if you are homophopic then gay sex is perverted. BDSM does not need to be violent, but it all can be seen as perverted if you are very straight. if you are a racist, then miscegenation is perverted. a voyour that gets his/her kick from watching can be seen as perverted, and so on. an old man sniffing panties can be seen as perverted, but it is far from violent sex... anyway, this is just a side point as the discussion is on what is the genre of "Hentai"

edit - indeed, some would argue that you would need to be perverted to get any kick out of watching a cartoon or animation, no matter how plain or straight the sex is potrayed there. some would say it is perverted to watch any type of erotica / pornography.
We get it. But you're trying to defend this to the wrong people. Imagine 80% of this conversation being the two examples under your edit. You see, I have a theory. Many of the people who left Steam for GOG came because of not all the DRM, but the hentai releases. They saw it as mostly safe. Well, now that is no longer the case and they're barking mad. They may want to head to another store than is not that Zoom because Jordan seems very reluctant to put that kind of content on his site and just spilled the beans that EA/Codemasters have been a great partner there and are about to release another game. So it seems that this platform we shall not name may be the option for those who don't want this anime material. However, they also sell Hatred and these people may have a problem with that.
Post edited February 09, 2022 by TheGrimLord
I wish I lived in a world where people weren't screwed up over sex and nudity. People are constantly complaining about sex and nudity, it's inappropriate, it only appeals to prurient interests, it has no redeeming value, why doesn't someone think of the children...

Where is all the neverending concern about violence? Why aren't people demanding any game with violence be marked? Maybe people don't want things that can ONLY appeal to psycopathic serial killers being plastered in a game's website? Maybe poor helpless gamers are tired of violence being "shoved down their throats" and want the world sanitized based on their particular dislikes?

Where are all the snide posts that violent games can only be of interest to evil people and no "decent" person would have the slightest interest in them? The constant anti-sex but no-problem-with-violence complaints gets very very tiresome. I have no problem with sex or violence in games, but the constant complaining about something that's natural but nothing said about the thing that causes real harm is just baffling.

I blame religion for all the anti-sex and anti-nudity complaints, but then I blame religion for most social ills.
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AstralWanderer: Surely the simplest answer is to follow the example of the film industry (which contains plenty of examples of "non consensual" activity) with ratings and categories. Currently, game cards don't seem to include any PEGI information (so perhaps that should change) and given that "adult content" games already have a warning page, it doesn't seem too much of a stretch to have a second "advisory" on checkout ("Part of this purchase includes games rated for adult content. Confirm?").

Avoiding front-page promotions of adult content (or at least limiting it to a text description and game card link) seems basic prudence, though there are plenty of other games that could spell "spouse trouble"...
TBH GOG always buts PEGI (in the lower right corner) when available. You can nevetheless notice that PEGI 18 is not by itself an indicator of porn or eroticism. Some tags are welcome.