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TheGrimLord: .
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amok: No, that only means that you only know a very limited range of Hentai.... Hentai by itself is a term cover all erotic / pornographic manga and anime, not only those who have violent sex. There are many different types of erotic manga / anime, some very soft, some qutesi, some aimed at women etc.

As a bonus point, the term Hentai is only used outside Japan. Within Japan they use "ero manga" or "ero anime" instead.
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TheGrimLord: I know that, but most of the ones here do. Most of the entire that GOG has picked up from Kagura do feature the rape stuff, it's kind of a thing with Kagura. Evenicle also had it. No, not every single game, but at least 90% and mostly the Kagura.
That's fine, but then you cannot say "that's the genre". Perhaps it is more wise to question the tastes of the gOg staff that vets the games instead...
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Yes, but Steam sells it all day long and no one bats an eye. They even put it in Steam sales. What makes GOG so different?
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TheGrimLord: .

I know that, but most of the ones here do. Most of the entire that GOG has picked up from Kagura do feature the rape stuff, it's kind of a thing with Kagura. Evenicle also had it. No, not every single game, but at least 90% and mostly the Kagura.
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amok: That's fine, but then you cannot say "that's the genre". Perhaps it is more wise to question the tastes of the gOg staff that vets the games instead...
It pretty much is as far as what is localized. We don't get many soft titles. Just pointing that out.
Post edited February 08, 2022 by TheGrimLord
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TheGrimLord: Yes, but Steam sells it all day long and no one bats an eye. They even put it in Steam sales. What makes GOG so different?
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amok: That's fine, but then you cannot say "that's the genre". Perhaps it is more wise to question the tastes of the gOg staff that vets the games instead...
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TheGrimLord: It pretty much is as far as what is localized. We don't get many soft titles. Just pointing that out.
well, on steam and certain other sites, you can get a good number of soft pornographic visual novels and games which do not have sexual violence. it is missing here, but there are quite a few.

But even if not that much is translated, it still do not mean "that's the genre".... because it is not....
Post edited February 08, 2022 by amok
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Aplomado: Hmmm... maybe GOG should stop selling violent pornography altogether?

If they can't even draw the line at this shit, what is wrong with them?
Financial incentives are a good motivator for a struggling company. Morals can only get you so far.
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TheGrimLord: Yes, but Steam sells it all day long and no one bats an eye. They even put it in Steam sales. What makes GOG so different?
The only reason I joined here is exactly because it is NOT Steam.
If you don't understand that why are you even here?

If GoG would become Steam, why would I give them money?

Games come here year or more after the release (if they come at all), installers are not up to date, modding support is not even close to Steam Workshop, web site is pathetic...

I would rather do business with Steam then.
Post edited February 08, 2022 by bombardier
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Aplomado: Hmmm... maybe GOG should stop selling violent pornography altogether?

If they can't even draw the line at this shit, what is wrong with them?
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bombardier: Financial incentives are a good motivator for a struggling company. Morals can only get you so far.
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TheGrimLord: Yes, but Steam sells it all day long and no one bats an eye. They even put it in Steam sales. What makes GOG so different?
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bombardier: The only reason I joined here is exactly because it is NOT Steam.
If you don't understand that why are you even here?

If GoG would become Steam, why would I give them money?

Games come here year or more after the release (if they come at all), installers are not up to date, modding support is not even close to Steam Workshop, web site is pathetic...

I would rather do business with Steam then.
that's difficult if the reason you are here is to buy games DRM free.... or are you saying that only certain types of games should be sold DRM free?
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im with bombardier i joined too when steam started to let in the garbage + drmfree is good also
but seems like garbage reached here
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TheGrimLord: Yes, but Steam sells it all day long and no one bats an eye. They even put it in Steam sales. What makes GOG so different?

It pretty much is as far as what is localized. We don't get many soft titles. Just pointing that out.
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amok: well, on steam and certain other sites, you can get a good number of soft pornographic visual novels and games which do not have sexual violence. it is missing here, but there are quite a few.

But even if not that much is translated, it still do not mean "that's the genre".... because it is not....
That's the genre when it comes to the west. Most of what we get is gonna be that, especially when it comes to Kagura. I mean, rape scenes with monsters during battles is a thing that has been going on as long as the Japanese have had access to RPG Maker and Wolf RPG. Rape scenes upon death or struggle is the name of the game when it comes to the ryona genre.
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Aplomado: Hmmm... maybe GOG should stop selling violent pornography altogether?

If they can't even draw the line at this shit, what is wrong with them?
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bombardier: Financial incentives are a good motivator for a struggling company. Morals can only get you so far.
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TheGrimLord: Yes, but Steam sells it all day long and no one bats an eye. They even put it in Steam sales. What makes GOG so different?
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bombardier: The only reason I joined here is exactly because it is NOT Steam.
If you don't understand that why are you even here?

If GoG would become Steam, why would I give them money?

Games come here year or more after the release (if they come at all), installers are not up to date, modding support is not even close to Steam Workshop, web site is pathetic...

I would rather do business with Steam then.
I just come for the lack of DRM, because it's better than piracy. The majority of adult game stores are naturally DRM-Free so I used to just buy this stuff from there. But now it's here, so I just pick different stores I want to support.
Outside of weak DRM on DLSite and Denuvo on Johren, the majority of adult games are already DRM-Free. Right now, the most popular hentai game on DLSite is the Honey Select 1&2 pack for about a hundred dollars. Dohna Dohna is behind that, which Jast USA desperately wants, but it is a mobile inspired prostitute Sim and dungeon crawler that got popularized by Project Melody to the point that she had official art drawn of her in the style. The game is also full mosaiced and most publishers don't recommend people buying from Johren at all. Remember, you don't buy games there with money. You buy tokens with money that you use to buy games and you can't refund the tokens you buy. Pretty sly trick.
Post edited February 08, 2022 by TheGrimLord
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It didn't help that a lot of those people were being quite insular and cellular. Something strange about their behavior, for sure in those threads.
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amok: well, on steam and certain other sites, you can get a good number of soft pornographic visual novels and games which do not have sexual violence. it is missing here, but there are quite a few.

But even if not that much is translated, it still do not mean "that's the genre".... because it is not....
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TheGrimLord: That's the genre when it comes to the west. Most of what we get is gonna be that, especially when it comes to Kagura. [...]
again, you are singling out a single developer and saying "taht's it". all you do with this statments are making very broad, and wrong, generalisation.

and again, even if most of them are violent, is still do not mean "that's the genre". the genre Hentai includes all pornographic examples, incuding the violent ones and the non-violent ones.... that's the genre.
Post edited February 08, 2022 by amok
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Darvond: It didn't help that a lot of those people were being quite insular and cellular. Something strange about their behavior, for sure in those threads.
Insular and cellular? First of all, I have no idea what those words mean, aside from a cellular phone so dumb it down a bit from the rest of us. I graduated from American schooling, so keep that in mind. Secondly, if you're referring to the fact that we were somehow hiding the content of these games, that's ridiculous. I talked about the crazy stuff in Starless and other games in this genre on multiple threads. I have nothing to hide here. I just honestly thought everyone knew because these games are really popular, especially on piracy sites that a lot of people will admit that they probably use. They show up a lot.
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TheGrimLord: That's the genre when it comes to the west. Most of what we get is gonna be that, especially when it comes to Kagura. [...]
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amok: again, you are singling out a single developer and saying "taht's it". all you do with this statments are making very broad, and wrong, generalisation.

and again, even if most of them are violent, is still do not mean "that's the genre". the genre Hentai includes all pornographic examples, incuding the violent ones and the non-violent ones.... that's the genre.
I am saying, most of what we get translated feature the violent scenes. Also, to these people, even consensual scenes may be considered rape because of character age and setting. If a character looks young or looks older and is considered a teenager in a story, it is considered rape porn to them. Because they go by the law that minors can't consent, which knocks out 100% of all high school based hentai.
Post edited February 08, 2022 by TheGrimLord
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amok: again, you are singling out a single developer and saying "taht's it". all you do with this statments are making very broad, and wrong, generalisation.

and again, even if most of them are violent, is still do not mean "that's the genre". the genre Hentai includes all pornographic examples, incuding the violent ones and the non-violent ones.... that's the genre.
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TheGrimLord: I am saying, most of what we get translated feature the violent scenes. Also, to these people, even consensual scenes may be considered rape because of character age and setting. If a character looks young or looks older and is considered a teenager in a story, it is considered rape porn to them. Because they go by the law that minors can't consent, which knocks out 100% of all high school based hentai.
most people have only seen pictures by Picasso when they have seen cubist pictures. Therefore, cubsim is only Picassos paintings and his style.

edit - in other words, who are you to redefine a genre?
Post edited February 08, 2022 by amok
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TheGrimLord: I am saying, most of what we get translated feature the violent scenes. Also, to these people, even consensual scenes may be considered rape because of character age and setting. If a character looks young or looks older and is considered a teenager in a story, it is considered rape porn to them. Because they go by the law that minors can't consent, which knocks out 100% of all high school based hentai.
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amok: most people have only seen pictures by Picasso when they have seen cubist pictures. Therefore, cubsim is only Picassos paintings and his style.

edit - in other words, who are you to redefine a genre?
Have you seen the Twitter wars over this stuff? It got so bad that normies like the complaining above actually started harassing Japanese artists over this kind of stuff, calling them horrible things. They have harassed companies as well. This stuff gets brutal. Dragon Maid had an Oppai loli character, these people went mad. Before that it was another character that actually had real Japanese women who were short and had very large breasts over the age of 18 to post their pictures to prove that real women looked like this. Again, we are talking about people who in some ways believe that all cartoons are for children and they must not be sexual and all characters in them must be children because of the way they are drawn. This has gotten brutal on Twitter, which is why myself and the mods agree it is not a topic for this forum. People got doxxed, a lot of people being calling hentai artists out were found to be child predators themselves.

This is just not good talk in general and it can only lead to horrible things on the forum. The best thing GOG can do if they want to stop this, is to get the adult content filters up. This needs to happen now, not later or things will only escalate beyond the locking of threads.
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amok: that's difficult if the reason you are here is to buy games DRM free.... or are you saying that only certain types of games should be sold DRM free?
I am not saying that. GoG is already saying that. There are existing cases of games being rejected by GoG,
It is called curation.
Interestingly I saw on the news today that porn sites will, even if not commercial, be required to validate identity and age of those using the site, credit check, photo Id etc. I would guess that this would apply to gog and other games stores as well that sell porn (regardless of what term it’s called).
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amok: that's difficult if the reason you are here is to buy games DRM free.... or are you saying that only certain types of games should be sold DRM free?
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bombardier: I am not saying that. GoG is already saying that. There are existing cases of games being rejected by GoG,
It is called curation.
If you want me to be honest, I'm surprised GOG would partner with Kagura in the first place. They're indie doujin and the indie doujin market has always been a bit less than acceptable to common tastes in adult content. Also, these games are usually priced much lower on sites like MangaGamer than per se, the upcoming Erovoice which is a big company work. Big company games sell for about $40 > while Kagura stuff has always sold much lower at about $10-20. Further contrasting, Evenicle 2 sells for $35 while many of these sell under $20. There's a big difference because these are regarded as small indie projects from doujin circles. Instead of getting more from the big guys like Jast, MangaGamer, Sekai and others - they're selling all these small Kaguras.

My honest assumption is that they don' t have anything else to really offer at the moment. In fact, Kagura said they were hesitant about bringing their next game over to GOG. I was told, "We're not sure yet." So the staff is quietly reading these threads.
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nightcraw1er.488: Interestingly I saw on the news today that porn sites will, even if not commercial, be required to validate identity and age of those using the site, credit check, photo Id etc. I would guess that this would apply to gog and other games stores as well that sell porn (regardless of what term it’s called).
Women on Only Fans will complain it hurts them somehow and then it's done. Just like last time.

Edit: Oh, this is the UK. (Laughs in American)

[url=https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/8/22923203/uk-porn-sites-verify-age-id-check-online-safety-bill

Seriously, this is gonna be a mess. Most people (including youths) know about VPN and probably have more knowledge on this adult stuff than I do, sadly. But I don't think a lot of people are going to be willing to put their ID and personal info in so they can access Spankbang. Performers will also complain. I know very well why this happened and it is a step in the right direction to stop high school girls from getting on OF, but it pushes towards more internet regulation and people will not be overly happy about that. Most Brits should be using VPN's anyway, considering you need to have an internet license.

Of course, the UK based Only Fans is largely to blame for all this and it is too little, too late for that now.
Post edited February 09, 2022 by TheGrimLord