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Posted December 26, 2016
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trentonlf: I am guessing on gogtrial and blotunga, I have not actual idea if they are both villagers or not. All I know is who the actual wolf is.
So, you're guessing those two to be villagers, hence drealmer7 not? Or do you consider the case that both zeogold and cristigale are lying? If so, why?
Posted December 26, 2016
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HypersomniacLive: So, Santa, could you clarify the following for me? Whoever the Seer is, both claimed to have peeked a villager card. That's one. You appear to say that both gogtrial34987 and blotunga are villagers. That makes three. Are you saying that drealmer7 is lying? Or that we have four villagers?
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trentonlf: I am guessing on gogtrial and blotunga, I have not actual idea if they are both villagers or not. All I know is who the actual wolf is.
Just to be clear, you are saying there is only a single wolf?
Posted December 26, 2016
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HypersomniacLive: So, you're guessing those two to be villagers, hence drealmer7 not? Or do you consider the case that both zeogold and cristigale are lying? If so, why?
Only one of zeo and cristi is lying, as for who the villagers are I can only guess. It would seem one of them is lying, but as to why I don't know. Maybe one is the tanner and wants to get lynched?
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cristigale: Just to be clear, you are saying there is only a single wolf?
Yes, there is only one wolf
Post edited December 26, 2016 by trentonlf
Posted December 26, 2016
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HypersomniacLive: So, you're guessing those two to be villagers, hence drealmer7 not? Or do you consider the case that both zeogold and cristigale are lying? If so, why?
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trentonlf: Only one of zeo and cristi is lying, as for who the villagers are I can only guess. It would seem one of them is lying, but as to why I don't know. Maybe one is the tanner and wants to get lynched?
So this math (3 scum) seems to only be possible if zeo or cristi is the wolf, thus you're not sure which villager is tanner.

Surely you don't intend for us to narrow it in quite that much. Or is your gambit just to layer it so deep in WIFOM that it's all noise?
Posted December 26, 2016
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cristigale: Just to be clear, you are saying there is only a single wolf?
I didn't want to go there just yet, but ok.


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trentonlf: I am guessing on gogtrial and blotunga, I have not actual idea if they are both villagers or not. All I know is who the actual wolf is.
Also, if you don't consider the case of both zeogold and cristigale lying, who of the two do you think is more likely the liar, why, and as what role?


I'm off to bed again. Hope to see some answers from trentonlf when I check again.
Posted December 26, 2016
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HypersomniacLive: Also, if you don't consider the case of both zeogold and cristigale lying, who of the two do you think is more likely the liar, why, and as what role?


I'm off to bed again. Hope to see some answers from trentonlf when I check again.
I am going to not say anymore until you let us know if you did swap any people or not.
Posted December 26, 2016
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trentonlf: I am going to not say anymore until you let us know if you did swap any people or not.
Eh, would you have led a logic path right to zeo/cristi if that was the wolf you were really trying to cover. So c'mon, what do you really think they're each doing?

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blotunga: snip
So, like trent said some stuff. What do you think about all that? Is trent really minion? Is he wolf bluffing minion to avoid getting lynched? Is he tanner trying to look like he's trying to avoid getting lynched in order to get lynched? If he is minion, who's he trying to protect?

Also, either you or Trial is still lying. Why must it be Trial and not you? What do you think Trial is based on what he's doing?

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HypersomniacLive: snip
The one thing that's surprised me, while understanding your tendency towards circumspection - particularly given the context - is that you don't seem to have really commented directly on cristi v. zeo, and you're usually the cristi-whisperer. Whadd'ya think her alignment is? Town, or not town?
Posted December 26, 2016
I thought I'd be playing mafia all day...I'm catching up but not sure I'll even be all caught up by the time I need to fall asleep...hopefully I can contribute something...here I go...
Posted December 26, 2016
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gogtrial34987: @cristi: Did you look at a specific person, or at 2 of the unknown cards?
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cristigale: I was tempted to look at drealmer but chose 2 cards. Adalia can back this up. I'm not revealing the other at this time.
Why were you tempted to peek drealmer, both vs. the strategic option of seeing 2 out of play cards, or peeking any other player?
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bler144: So you're saying adalia doesn't have a mason partner, then?
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cristigale: Yes, that is what I am saying. One of the cards I drew was Mason. I did not draw a werewolf card, cannot confirm that.
This phrasing is odd. Why did you write "cannot confirm that"? In this scenario zeo was lying about being seer, right? So why would you "confirm" what he was saying in any case?
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adaliabooks: Not forgot, missed. I had already typed the post before he(?) claimed, I just edited it to take Hyper's claim into account.

Should we take from this that drealmer was one of your targets? Or would you rather hold back for a while on that?
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HypersomniacLive: Not necessarily, for... reasons, but my lips are sealed for now.

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cristigale: [...] But it makes sense with what zeo may be trying to play....if he is a lone werewolf he drew a card and drew the Mason. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Not sure I follow - how would he draw a card if he's a werewolf? Did I miss something in the rules?
Y'know, it's in the rules, but I had missed it entirely too until after you and cristi had this exchange. And then I moved on and was caught up in other problems.

If cristi is wolf, though, does she highlight a detail about the wolf role that I'd wager you and I weren't the only townies to miss?

Show of hands - I'm guessing zeo/drealmer both knew about this coming in, but for other new players like, say @adalia, had you actually paid attention to all the roles/rules closely enough to note that solo wolf got to draw a card?
Post edited December 26, 2016 by bler144
Posted December 26, 2016
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bler144: Your post was 6 min after Trent's - curious if you'd refreshed and seen it before you posted.
Don't remember at all, posted as soon as I woke up

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HypersomniacLive: So, which is it? Is trentonlf either Tanner or Werewolf, of is it zeogold's case A?
What I meant was that trent was just acting as minion and would name fake werewolves if HSL says he swapped since that adds to his credibility (We would think he is doing it to win) which is actually option B now that I see his post again. Was mistaken before.
Posted December 26, 2016
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bler144: Based on what's on the table, who's your top pick for town and why & who would you vote right now if you had to and why?
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cristigale: A lot has transpired since this but right now my vote would be on zeo. From my perspective, it's a likely 50/50 shot of him being a wolf or a minion. If he is the minion, I don't have a good feel for who is the wolf.
What's your view on trent's new claim? What's your feel on who the wolf is now?


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cristigale: snip

Once zeo claimed Villager, I'm not sure if he actually peeked at the Mason card or the Villager card. At this point, I've already said that I did not peek at a Werewolf card. I'm not sure why he says his other peek was Villager. Either he is betting that Villager is remaining and is hoping to match my claim.
Regardless of alignment, this is one heck of a post though. Great post as town - insane if she pulled that off as scum.

Worth observing, maybe, that even if you didn't observe wolf it's a pretty good claim. Wolves are never going to counter-claim him barring a robbery/TM role shift. It's also the next most likely after villager, and claiming you peeked 2 villagers would probably blow up in your face. He'd waited too long to claim he peeked mason.
Posted December 26, 2016
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bler144: @Trent - without knowing if you were swapped or not, what's your take on cristi v. zeo? What's happening there? What's your take on trial/blotunga?
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trentonlf: cristi vs zeo, one is for sure lying. trial/blotunga, two villagers where one is really trying to figure it out and one is new and confused as to what they need to do.
Is cristi the wolf? She is, right? Just nod once if it's cristi, and twice if it's zeo. Three times if it's you. You know in your heart HSL swapped me and you because of his fondness for us and desire to share, so come clean and you win and I lose. Do it!

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After thinking about it, I'm revising my judgment of whether cristi would spin into a tough claim or an easy claim. I got my PM as the game opened. But then, even if she didn't know what she'd draw, she could well have planned out what her options were in the ~48 hours pre-game after the initial PM.

Imagine you're lone wolf, then you know 1/3 of the hidden cards are wolf. If you happen to peek a PM, maybe you do weigh the options and spin into that claim, because you know it's the best option on the table of a bunch of lousy options.

And her mental progressions do feel legit, but with some odd notes here and there. Zeo is a tougher nut to crack - this game he says is more his forte than our standard mafia games, but I remember him as town in...what, Vitek's game? And there a lot of his notions were ...not in keeping with how we collectively tend to approach towning it up.

I'm curious if Drealmer in particular would re-read cristi/zeo. For example, unless zeo/cristi or hunter is the wolf, and I'd talked him out of wolf!cristi, wolves pretty much have to be in the villager pack. So was he really wrong there?

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@Zeo - if you were tanner, what would you be doing right now with votes slipping away from you and towards the villagers? If you were the minion, what would you be doing?

Anyway, was a veeerry early xmas morning with a very excited 3 y.o. wanting to open presents pre-dawn, and well past my usual imposed gaming deadline, so I'm out for the night.

Worth scrutinizing cristi again. No doubt she's more polished than zeo, but I'm putting her back in the viable wolf pile after all.
Posted December 26, 2016
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cristigale: That's all he says in that post about his second 'peek'. No mention about why he was now choosing to reveal it or why it was not longer useful to remained undisclosed.
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zeogold: I was waiting for the deluge of villager claims, but Adalia straight-out asked for me to reveal the other card and there was a fair bit of heat mounting on me, so I'm not sure what other option I had. Saying "Nah, imma wait." at that point would have made me seem a tad sus, wouldn't you say?
it's not like we were going to vote to lynch right on that, so, no, your point is invalid here

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adaliabooks: Just spotted something:

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cristigale: To answer gog's question, dedo had me choose between cards 1-3. I chose cards 2 and 3. Card 2 was the mason and card 3 was in fact a villager.
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adaliabooks: zeo says he chose the left two cards and one of those was the villager. cristi says card 3 is the villager.

Assuming card 3 would be the one on the right then it doesn't look like zeo had any geniune peek. Which kind of rules him out as the lone wolf (ditto for cristi as well really).

So if neither of them are lone wolves then there must be a wolf in the villagers and it's not worth the risk lynching either seer.
great catch

cards 1-3 make much more sense than "left two" - absolutely

which means zeo did not have a genuine peak, and is not the lone wolf

excellent excellent

and I was already leaning trent wolf to zeo's minion, this leads me there even more

--- to further dig at this

dedo said he used the actual deck, which means he also probably has(had) the 3 cards sitting right there as he'd deal them in meat-world

left middle right
1 . 2 . 3

how do you think he translates them laying there? even if the meat-world thoughts have you go left, middle, right
I think the safe translation into the forum is to mark them 1, 2, 3 for simplicity and clarity (when giving the option via PM: "pick from cards 1, 2, 3" makes more sense to me

other's thoughts?

oh look if I keep reading I get to this:

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zeogold: Also, I didn't get any number business. As soon as Dedo said I had a choice of another person or two unknowns...
bullshit

no competent mod says "another person or two unknowns" - dedo is better than competent

this seals that for me

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hold it now (hold it now...hold it now...) :

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trentonlf: I still wonder what HSL did, it can be a game changer. If I had more time at the start (I'm sorry family and the secret Santa event really did take a lot of time) I would have played it different. If hyper did not switch my role, you should lynch me ;-) (I super promise you want to lynch me *puppy dog eyes*), but if hyper did switch my role then I"m not sure until he says who he switched it with.
*record squeek*

woahsza, this game is interesting...

I read this as a hunter claim, btw - a hunter claim who believes he knows the wolf

often the way the angles work is that you end up having to trust the hunter and vote him too, because he is the only one that *know*, but there has to be trust

fucking hell...

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blotunga: Since I seem to have a large crosshair on me, because for some reason the "villagers", drealmer and gogtrial have allied themselves against me, or so I feel, I wonder whether they aren't both wolves.
I haven't allied with anyone
gogtrial is game-solving and doing it well

it's clear now that you or gogtrial are lying (unless both cristi and zeo are lying, and, no, not a likelyhood to consider seriously,imo), I'm leaning you quite hard because of content (including this post of yours which is going on the offense against 2 ppl who are game-solving)

so, yep

our lynch pool is:

zeo, blotunga, trent

pending HSL's claim, of course, or a group decision that bler is lying, which is very possible and I will need to re-read it all

omg HSL, you are shady

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drealmer7: one of the main things to figure out:

if bler is lying or not

he's lying if trent was scum and he robbed trent
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gogtrial34987: I just looked at this from the perspective of the following scary thought...
I really need to go back and read things, but from memory, what he does is increases his odds (if he's lying), he calls either trent or me "town" - not a hard villager, and then does he wait to say who and what the result is after more information has come into allow him to increase his chances at guessing correctly?

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adaliabooks: trent - general suspiciousness, has basically claimed to have lied (if I'm understanding him correctly)
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trentonlf: Yes I did. I am not the tanner, I am the minion. I know who the wolf is, but I'm not saying unless I know whether or not hyper swapped me and someone else's role. If he did not I'm not saying, but if he did I will let you know who the wolf is.
ohshit

I need a bongrip hold on...

oh fuck the quote tag I say!
Post edited December 26, 2016 by drealmer7
Posted December 26, 2016
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HypersomniacLive: @zeogold, I'm going to ask nicely - could you, please, shut up? You have an odd sense and way of applying heat, especially if you're the Seer as you want us all to believe.
Well, SOMEbody had lumpy eggnog with his Christmas dinner.
Fine, fine, I'll mute the trumpet. Gosh, you're so touchy.

I'll confess that I've been getting a bit impatient though, as I'm used to these things running 10 minutes rather than 10 days, so all I have to stave off the boredom is explaining my thoughts and cracking jokes. I've been tempted to start writing a journal here. It was a bad enough WIFOM before, but now it's getting even worse, and this "well, hrm, humph, eh, I dunno, maybe" stuff was what was so mind-numbingly irritating about the non-one-night games I joined, meaning that you finally stepping up and saying what you swapped would bring me no small amount of joy as it means we can at last progress again.
If you like, I can take it easy with the thoughts, although I'm afraid that I can't promise you anything with the jokes. Or the journal.
...or the drums.
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bler144: @Zeo - if you were tanner, what would you be doing right now with votes slipping away from you and towards the villagers? If you were the minion, what would you be doing?
Crying miserably.

If I were tanner, I'm honestly not sure. At this point? Either pray that HSL swapped me or pull a last-ditch attempt of changing my seer claim saying I was a hunter or a minion the whole time (even despite Trent's claim). It would be basically the only option I have, as there's pretty much 0 chance of anybody voting me as it currently stands since most people seem to think I'm tanner/minion anyways.

Minion? Well, I'll be the first to confess that my current gameplay lines up quite well for it, but I'm not entirely sure what I should say or do about that. I might try a similar play as the tanner above (i.e. coming right out and saying "I'M THE MINION!")...? Although I dunno what I'd do from there. I honestly haven't had very many games where I played minion, so I'd be pretty uncertain where to go with that one other than desperation moves.
Posted December 26, 2016
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bler144: I think our best play is definitely to tell Trent in advance how we'll interpret his bluff when he makes it. And we should also help him sort out how likely HSL is to bluff his action.

Seems solid strategy.
seriously
he just told his team-mate how the game goes so he could prepare and maneuver correctly

now we just need to sort it

and hope you told the truth about robbing me (which I think you did BUT OMG IF YOU DIDN'T)
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bler144: Or are you coaching someone else? Just can't manage your impatience?
this
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HypersomniacLive: @zeogold, I'm going to ask nicely - could you, please, shut up? You have an odd sense and way of applying heat, especially if you're the Seer as you want us all to believe.
*laughing so hard*

another bong rip as I read the rest of this...omg...

...that is why I told him more online mafia experience would be helping him...
zeo is caught scum who doesn't know if he's caught scum and just wants the 1 guy who knows the rest of the crucial bit to tell it so he knows how to play it and just just flailing like a madman in the meantime it's a fucking riot I'm still laughing pretty well

zeo: "am I minion or wolf or are you or him or who do I defend or throw shade to OMG HSL TELL ME!!"
Post edited December 26, 2016 by drealmer7
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