I'm sorry I'm late....work drama!!

I'm going to start reading.

Why??

You're "thanking" the doc?!?! Awful! Just Awful!

I'm not seeing the setup.

You did revote Dessimu, which is your prerogative not a setup.

You're the lynch because......???


I understand this.

I don't understand how you "knew what yogsloth was doing all day with his antics..."

I saw what he was doing as WIFOM and stated as such. However I knew nothing. All I know now is yogsloth and Dessimu are town.

I'm trying to townslip? *snerk*. I've got to hear the reasoning behind this one.

I'll grant that I'm manipulative, but I'd love actual examples to back the "clearly informed aka scum" accusation.

Let's see you put your examples where your mouth is.

Quoted For Bupkis.

I understand your reasons for voting. I disagree but understand. However you know a No Lynch on Day One is no bueno.


I just got called in to work....I'll be back later.

Just a short announcement: I'll be away for the rest of today and most of tomorrow. Tonight I have a performance on stage and tomorrow I fly to Madison. I'll check back in when I have found internet access there.

I'm from the South. We have something better here.

More specifically, I won't be blocking Dessimu's lynch today.

The tense swaps are probably because I'm in the present talking about future actions that a past me planned. The timeline has shifted, however, such that I'm no longer concerned with those actions.

Instead, lets lynch Meda.

Vote Meda

The part I bolded seems off for me.

Town should do everything to protect and hide its power roles. right now the only ones that will gain knowing who had /has what role is scum. We should be coming together to figure things out and not worrying about when the next town lynch happens. Town lynch is no good

Still no donuts for you!

You are so off on yogs, and I think it's because you are scum trying to justify killing him. The whole point to what he was doing was to leave the possibility in scums mind that he could be a PR simply because he was being brazen about claiming to have one. Scum would have never known since there are no role flips so they would have to NK yogs to be safe. Whoever the doctor was would have hopefully recognized that and protected him. Do I think he had a PR, probably not, but I saw what he was doing and had no issues with it where normally I would have been all over him for even claiming a PR (surprising that you as scum have not tried to use that against me). If yogs had no PR he was not lying about having one to hurt town, he was doing it to confuse scum and take a possible NK to save our PR's.

I already answered about Dessimu, if you did not like the answer then you will just have to get over it because I'm done with discussing it because it's just a distraction.

I also already stated that cristi saying I was being scummy had nothing to do with it so whether she thought someone else was scummy if a moot point.

I see bookwyrm wants to lynch meda, I'm good with that. I'll take any of Lift, flub, cristi, or meda today at this point.

Unvote cristi
Vote meda

Thanks for clearing that up.


I agree with you in that town should do whatever possible. The kink is town doesn't know who is and isn't town. The issue I had with yoglsoth was not the WIFOM but the distraction. I'm sure he realized what he was doing and that it would result in his lynch or Night Kill. Hindsight says Dessimu should have ridden it out and remained hidden.....but that's moot now.

VOTE COUNT

trentonlf @ L-4 - Lifthrasil, medamiedo
medamiedo @ L-4 - trentonlf, Bookwyrm627

Not voting - Sage103082, flubbucket, HypersomniacLive, RWarehall, cristigale, JMich

<span class="bold">DAY 2 COUNTDOWN</span>

NOTE: This is an official permission for trent to fix formatting of #381 (I have kept the original content, so don't try any funny business ;))

Should I take this reply of yours as a "No" to my question if you went back to re-read him after he claimed? If you did go back, was there something about his posts that convinced you that he was false-claiming? Or did you base your decision to re-vote him solely on the fact that you saw his claim as too convenient, hence a scum action inline with how you felt about him?

So, nothing specific then. I suspected you operated on gut alone, and made pushes to see reactions and determine if your feeling was on the right track. And while cristigale had a reaction you read as supportive to your suspicion, I'm still not sure what about Dessimu's reaction(s) convinced you that you may well be on to something.

Where Lifthrasil and flubbucket your other two suspects from D1? If so, is that also a gut feeling or something specific?



This may be one of those language barriers you've mentioned about me, but two things:

- I don't quite follow what the time of the claim has to do with the number of lynches - we have only one lynch per Day, don't we?
- I read the word "townier" as a comparative adjective, i.e. both were (unconfirmed) town(ies), but one looked more town than the other. But you seem to mean that yogsloth was more in the "leaning town" group, while Dessimu was more in the "leaning scum" one, yes? If so, could you say what about him made him look scummy (enough) in your eyes? You did say that he was worth a vote, but never really explained why.


You're right, of course. For some reason, I got "8 town alive Today" stuck in my brain.


Reason(s)?

I see it. ;-P


You're missing/overlooking the context - at the time I came online there was like half an hour left, IIRC, and I had to make a choice to secure a lynch or let things go to No-Lynch. And after the disaster of game #40, I was not willing to let things go into the No-Lynch direction. But for me, and this is a quite big but, It was not a choice between someone I saw as more likely town and another I saw as more likely scum.

yogsloth was all over the place with his soft and not so soft claims all of D1, which I could quite easily see him do as town; I even considered the case his opening post was a goofy way of soft-claiming Parity Cop to gauge reactions. As the Day progressed, and he kept jumping from role to role, I doubted that he was really any of the Power Roles, but judging from the reactions, he was pretty nicely successful in achieving his goal; he practically confirmed in his post #245 what I was suspecting him to be doing.

Dessimu's play was a lot more reserved than that of his usual vanilla town-self, but lacked the vibe of his scum-play. As I didn't see what made him scummy for others, I checked the previous games during D1, and noticed that Dessimu had not rolled a town-investigative role before. The way he interacted with others, and the way he reacted to trentonlf first, then yougsloth, made me think that he may have rolled the Parity Cop role, and was not all that comfortable with it (rolling Parity Cop as your first investigative role is not exactly ideal, imo).

[Small background parenthesis and related note]

Desimu rolled scum in his first game and turned out to be a natural as such, but is quite reserved and a bit lost as town, and as vanilla he comes out and pokes at almost every little thing he sees or "sees". His play this game didn't feel like either of the two to me. Now, you may proclaim that every game is a new game for people to make a new play, but I don't quite believe that we have the ability to reinvent ourselves from scratch with every new game, and that some aspects of one's "standard" play/approach manifest one way or the other.

[/Small background parenthesis and related note]

So, when he claimed, I thought it more likely to be true, even though I couldn't rule out that it may be scum false-claiming to stay alive. I was not willing to take the chance to lynch our only investigative role, when we could deal with a potential scum-Dessimu D2, but if he was our Cop, lynching him would not only be doing scum's job for them, but also opening the door for them to take out two more townies during the Night.

To sum it up, between lynching the leaning-town with no Power Role and lynching the not-leaning scum who may be our Parity Cop, or let things go to No-Lynch, I went with voting for the more likely than not Townie. Yes, lynching town is bad, but I have to agree with adaliabooks when talking about D1 - it's better than nothing. Things, however, are different Today, as come D3, we could quite easily find ourselves in LyLo or worse.

And a couple of questions back to you - would you have given Dessimu a chance if you were around at D1's end, or didn't you believe his claim when you saw it? If the latter, what exactly made him so scummy for you that you were willing to risk lynching our Cop? Would you have let it go to No-Lynch D1 if it came down to your vote? If yes, why?



You have been hanging out with JMich too much, me thinks, and have been infected by the horrible human being virus.

I feel we have let ourselves go lately and people,Town in specific, has become somewhat lazy. I'd like people to invest a bit more and not just wait for babysitting.

[emphasis added]

I see there's no way you'll ever acknowledge that there was purpose and value from a town PoV in what yougsloth was doing, so after trentonlf explaining it to you for one more time, I won't get into it again. The parts I highlighted, however, is a new addition to your arguments, and they did catch my attention.

Who has more of a vested interest in knowing with 100% certainty if a role claim was true or not - scum or town?
Who benefits (the most) from knowing with 100% certainty that a role is no longer in play after a town-player dies - scum or town?
Who gains an advantage from knowing with 100% certainty that a role claim was true upon a town-players death - scum or town?
And what advantage exactly does town gain from knowing for certain that dead town-player A was the Doctor or the Vigilante, for example, over the advantage that scum gain?

So, Lifthrasil, why are you so interested in knowing for certain which roles are still in play and which are not?



I don't think he quite understood what yogsloth was doing.