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medamiedo: [...] On second thought this just might make rware town???? [...]
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HypersomniacLive: How so?
It looked to me like rware voted that slot then dessimu followed once it looked like a legitimate wagon. In other words, rware's vote is scummy because of why he voted it, dessimu's vote is scummy because of how he voted it. But dessimu's vote is one that would normally only follow a townie, i.e., town is now mislynching this slot okay I can go there. I wouldn't expect scum-dessimu to follow scum-rware. I was also unaware of VC, which I saw only after I posted - I didn't realize that dessimu and rware were space on the wagon the way they were, so that point is somewhat moot, i.e., I could seem them both being scum together on that wagon.


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medamiedo: [...] This is a distancing vote. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: In what way?
Because it read to me like book was joining a wagon for the sake of joining a wagon that wasn't yog (where two of my scumreads are), i.e., appearing to be active with his vote and avoiding being seen on a vanity wagon, when really it's a super lazy and nothing vote, and it also doesn't appear to me that he believes the wagon will go through, therefore distancing rather than bussing (presuming dessimu is scum). I am scumreading both book and dessimu individually and that is a very scummy vote regardless of dessimu's alignment but that is how I read the interaction if they are both scum with rware (or someone else on yog's wagon).


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medamiedo: [...] Can someone tell me about sage and dessimu's relationship because they seem very oriented towards each other?
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HypersomniacLive: Define "relationship".
How/to what extent they know each other? They both said hi to each other at the start and they've been kinda paying attention to each other more than other slots so..


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medamiedo: [...] RWarehall/book/sage are my strongest scumreads right now with dessimu as a close fourth. [...].
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HypersomniacLive: I have to ask again, what about Sage103082 in particular makes her one of your strongest scumreads at this point? Do you take her lack of participation as scum lurking her way to victory? She did warn that she'd be mostly away this weekend. Something else, and what?

Also, is your suspicion of Dessimu linked to her? You seemed to see a link between the two of them earlier, and seem to be still looking for a connection between them.
Sage is tone. Something feels off about her and I think she just wants to nicely fit in which is scum behavior imo. Not anything to do with activity. Suspicion of dessimu is not linked.


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HypersomniacLive: You like trentonlf's vote on Dessimu, put him on your #4 scum-slot, and, if it wasn't for RWarehall's last post, you were about to vote him yourself. Yet you don't quite like his wagon? Puzzled, to say the least. If you don't think this is a scum-Dessimu wagon, why were you willing to get on it?
Yep, I like the vote and I would follow it if my read on rware was not strong enough to keep me off it. I'm not saying it isn't a scum wagon, only that I am hesitant about it. In other words I don't just want to go rushing in, I would rather vote my stronger read right now.
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medamiedo: beep
Hey you! You! Yeah, you with the pencil!

Did you know you're probably deciding the D1 lynch?
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RWarehall: Frankly, I see little to no actual contribution from you about anything. For someone previously asking Lift for his prior games, you seem awfully dismissive of player's past performances. We've played with Yogs a lot. He does crazy things, sometimes as town. Sometimes as scum. And it seems to work because most people avoid voting him because they get confused. Look up South Park and the Chewbacca defense why don't you...
This is scum shading me and trying to appear superior to my suspicion.


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RWarehall: So far this game, Yogs has claimed a power to kill at night and parity cop, which are mutually exclusive. His actual contribution to us, is as diddly squat as the "lurkers" he wants to kill. Maybe its just me, but I remember Yogs actually contributing little "tidbits of wisdom" when he was town. Moreso than a single declaration that Lift is town. On this basis, I think he is really scum this game. It's more than the lying. It's the total lack of anything useful at all beyond his single town read of Lift.
This is not a reason to scumread someone, he is just saying words.


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RWarehall: As to Bookwyrm, the statement "I think I like this wagon more" pings me as off. Bookwyrm did not say, he thinks Dess is scum or give reasons. He instead is interested in jumping on a "wagon". No offense, but most town want to lynch scum, not "jump on wagons". It's one of the disconnects I look for. Like last game where Lift was asked about his vote on Adalia and instead of explaining why he suspected him, he talked about how he was prone to tunneling. As if he was already admitting it was a bad vote.

Same thing here. Bookwyrm likes this "wagon" more, not the lynch necessarily. No reasons given.
This is scum distancing from his partner.

I like book and rware a lot for scum right now.



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RWarehall: Well, I have about an hour left before work. When I get home, that's the last window before deadline.

So where I stand...
I will vote for either Yogs or Bookwyrm because I think they are the most likely scum for the reasons I've already given. I think the 3rd, if I'm right, is Medamiedo. She has seemingly been covering for both of them all game, calling any post I make about them scummy. Even more curious is how she just snuck Bookwyrm into her scum list in post 213 after rallying against me, Lift, Dess, Flub and Sage all game.

I will not vote for Medamiedo because she's scum contingent on covering for Yogs and Bookwyrm. If I'm somehow wrong about them, I don't really have a case against her. But look to her when they come out scummy.

Lift and Dess, so far, appear to be scum hunting and I don't see enough to doubt them. While I do not like general lurkiness, I will not vote Sage today because "Welcome Back" and will not vote JMich both because he's not pinging me and the fact he was killed before he even got to play last game. I'm not particularly town-reading anyone though.

So why am I giving my full read? Well, I think I fell into a trap. I think Yogs made his cop false claim to see who would be the first to vote him. And that was me. I will presumably be killed tonight under the premise that the first to vote him might be the real cop.

Not saying I am or I am not, the truth will be revealed the morning of Day 2.

Should I need to change my vote tonight, I'll be there. If not, see you next game!
This all reads completely fake to me. He is just saying things that have happened in thread, except they aren't even accurate or relevant for the most part.

And look at the way book is totally non-responsive to his scumread.



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HypersomniacLive: Reason(s)?
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yogsloth: Reactions to Bookwyrm and I, organic evolution of thought process throughout the Day. He is 100% lock it rock it no dribble drabble Town. I'm more sure of him than Lift.

I'm not 100% Dessimu is scum, but I think he'd be squirming more as Town right now instead of just letting it ride on me.

@Dessimu - you legit know I'm Town here, right? What are you doing right now?
This is rubbish, I'm sorry. Your read is bad. I will vote dessimu if that wagon needs me but you are completely wrong on rware and I have no clue whatsoever how you have managed to come up with this read.
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Lifthrasil: @medamiedo: same question to you. You haven't reacted AT ALL to yog's soft claims, even though the second one wasn't that soft at all. Why is that? I think that's something quite big for Day 1 and it would warrant reacting to it. So, what do you think of yogs and his claims?
I think it's pointless to give them any notice. They are clearly fake.


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yogsloth: We have twelve hours until EOD.

Which for most of us will not precisely be convenient to be online.

The time is now.
Wow the day is over already?

unvote rware
vote dessimu




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Sage103082: (snip)

I am now up to yesterdays posts 181 to be exact. I need a brief break and I will be back to finish. As of now my vote stays on Dess

@dedo. my dyslexia threw me off on my last unvote. I am catching back up and currently happy were my votes sits.
The problem I have with this post is that you are just rehashing events in thread. There is no real analysis or original thought here. You've done nothing here to assuage my suspicions about you.



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cristigale: I don't like this. I think we have two town wagons. I'll vote one of these to avoid a no- lynch. Probably yogs because, if town, it would alleviate more paranoia, at least for me.
I agree, after catching up more (I also read the book post below you just now as well as the sage post which was identical to her post above - no real content) I feel very much less certain about dessimu flipping scum. Unfortunately I cannot get the wagon I want today.
HSL and cristi decide the lynch.

You both have to pile onto one wagon to make it happen.

GLGL NO PRESSURE
In order of strongest to weakest,

Town: trent, yog, hyper, jmich, cristi, lift, flub

Scum: rware, book, sage, dessimu
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cristigale: I don't like this. I think we have two town wagons. I'll vote one of these to avoid a no- lynch. Probably yogs because, if town, it would alleviate more paranoia, at least for me.

I do agree with yogs that town reading enough people makes POE a decent way to sum hunt. I don't find anyone overly scummy right now and I'm far from certian anyone is town but my POE list right now leaves me with
Sage, JMich, flubb, and medamiedo. I'm not sure what to make of medamiedo yet. Short of a sum slip I will not vote for a new player day 1. The others have presented little to work with so far. I'm more comfortable with a vote there. Do we learn anything from it if they flip town ?

I highly doubt that's the entire scum team, but I could see two scum in that.

Still phone posting, please ignore any obvious autocorrect.
Hm I skimmed this post before but I don't like this content at all. I could be wrong on my townread here. Is town-cristi seriously thinking at this point about alleviating paranoia and what we learn from a flip rather than who is scum? Also this PoE seems like rubbish to me, sorry. You can go to the very bottom of my townlist.
6.5 hours

I hope cristi needs a late late late night snack

I have faith in HSL

...

Man, it's hard to get back into this "majority required" thing.

Even tougher in such a scum-sided setup as this. Mafia will take a no-lynch any time whatsoever here.
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yogsloth: 6.5 hours

I hope cristi needs a late late late night snack

I have faith in HSL

...

Man, it's hard to get back into this "majority required" thing.

Even tougher in such a scum-sided setup as this. Mafia will take a no-lynch any time whatsoever here.
The setup forces town to work together and unfortunately it seems at this point to not be the case. Hopefully cristi and Hyper step up and do the right thing.
I'm here and it seems no one is deciding anything...I will not be up at end of day.
I'm not really seeing Dess as all that scummy. But we really need something to come out of this so we don't repeat the same thing tomorrow.

Unvote Yogs
Vote Dessimu

Now we just need one person to wake up...
BIG MONEY BIG MONEY

NO WHAMMIES

NO WHAMMIES
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yogsloth: BIG MONEY BIG MONEY

NO WHAMMIES

NO WHAMMIES
I really enjoyed Press your luck, was always funny to see the whammies happen LOL
Re 292, rubbish is probably too strong wording, sorry. What I mean is it doesn't seem like you arrived there via a well-reasoned thought process and I think what you've done is really really easy and you're basically taking no meaningful stances. Totally disagree that others have present little to work with, there are 6 content-rich pages (50 posts per page for me).
Man I hope I'm right, otherwise this is gonna be quite the shitshow tomorrow lol
I am at work and got 5 minutes, after which I may not be able to write at all until day ends. RW put in on L-1, right?

Either I get lynched or I get night killed. I am Parity Cop.

My main drive in voting yogs all the way was his bickering, sort of claiming the parity cop role. Although I could also see it as a smokescreen. My N0 target was trentonlf. To learn anything however, I'd have to survive another Night.