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yggr: It would not, in my book. As long as he published under his own name, why shouldn't he?
Lots of great works of art are based on others.when they are well done, they contribute something, even if I don't agree.

No, it wouldn't. As long as he published under his own name.
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Taro94: I'm pretty sure it would. It would show disrespect to the original concept and its creator.
I don't buy that line of logic. I think the Star Wars prequels are terrible movies, but they don't retroactively ruin the original films for me. This expansion could be crap for all I know (I'm very interested to find out) but even if it is I can dismiss it as a depressing, unnecessary boondoggle, probably write a negative review, and move on. Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 will remain landmark games regardless of the quality of Siege of Dragonspear.
Post edited April 04, 2016 by ArbitraryWater
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ydobemos: Please quote me the "in-game and D&D lore" that endorses sexism (even though the very first character creation sub-screen does the exact opposite) and states that gay and bi people do not exist.

If you're talking about the 'Gamergate' idiocy then yes, I am very well aware of what's been happening: a bunch of woman-haters seized on a pack of lies from a female game developer's abusive ex-boyfriend as an excuse to start a loosely-formed hate movement and engage in activities ranging from insults and harassment to literal terrorism to try to belittle, silence and drive out women, and anyone who doesn't hate women (and also LGBT people when they feel like it), in the games industry.
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Totenglocke: So you admit that you're 100% uninformed and think gamers are "evil sexists" just because they exist. Thanks for clearing that up, we all know to ignore you now.
You sound so freaking paranoid throughout this thread it's hilarious. I think you need to get off your computer and calm down for a bit, dude. Just saying.
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Totenglocke: So you admit that you're 100% uninformed and think gamers are "evil sexists" just because they exist. Thanks for clearing that up, we all know to ignore you now.
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XatuMasterRace: You sound so freaking paranoid throughout this thread it's hilarious. I think you need to get off your computer and calm down for a bit, dude. Just saying.
Do you have anything substantial to add to the conversation, or did you sign up just to troll?
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I'm very disappointed I purchased this day one at full price. That a cent of my money is going to this writer disgusts me. I'm tired of seeing one of my favorite genres hijacked by the SJWs and used as a platform for their agenda.
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I will hold off on buying the game until my character has obamacare. It is bs that I have to pay for healing. I should be able to wait full year in game to get bad heals for free.

I will sue any monster that attacks me for battery just like hitler trump that eats walls made out of babies and uppercuts reporters because they are women.

My character also needs a cellphone and internet to look up cat memes while adventuring.

it is no longer medical fact that humans must be male, female or both. There are now 5,000 genders and it is totally based on science and you can totally do a dna test to find out exactly which of the 6,000 genders you are.

On an unrelated note, Brawndo has what plants crave.
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XatuMasterRace: You sound so freaking paranoid throughout this thread it's hilarious. I think you need to get off your computer and calm down for a bit, dude. Just saying.
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Valerie.377: Do you have anything substantial to add to the conversation, or did you sign up just to troll?
Sorry, I just like to state how I feel sometimes. If you have a problem with that, well I can't help you.

That also doesn't change the fact that I believe everybody here is overreacting yet again.
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XatuMasterRace: You sound so freaking paranoid throughout this thread it's hilarious. I think you need to get off your computer and calm down for a bit, dude. Just saying.
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Valerie.377: Do you have anything substantial to add to the conversation, or did you sign up just to troll?
I find it hilarious that he thinks it's "paranoid" to point out actual events that have taken place and to link to an actual interview with one of the writers responsible for this. He's probably also one of those college students crying and saying that they're terrified for their safety simply because someone spoke on campus and holds different political views.
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GreasyDogMeat: I'm very disappointed I purchased this day one at full price. That a cent of my money is going to this writer disgusts me. I'm tired of seeing one of my favorite genres hijacked by the SJWs and used as a platform for their agenda.
Remember, GOG does refunds. I've been in the same spot twice now of buying a game, then finding out the next day that the company is scum or there's some absurd SJW bullshit in the game.
Post edited April 04, 2016 by Totenglocke
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Totenglocke: Screenshots about online. They're very horribly written from what I've seen and, regardless of the content of the text, just the writing alone is an affront to Baldur's Gate fans. Many on other forums are equating the writing to bad fan-fic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__6nFM5GER8

This is when you meet the trans. That's just terrible writing and making them trans adds nothing to the game.
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yggr: Ahh well, maybe a bit blunt, but she didn't get much chance to prove the depth of her characterisation there, did she?
I really don't see the problem.
Based on the reaction, I really expected the transgender person to have a larger role in the game. Is that the entire extent of the role? Or would she have joined the party if the player picked different dialogue choices?
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Valerie.377: Do you have anything substantial to add to the conversation, or did you sign up just to troll?
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Totenglocke: I find it hilarious that he thinks it's "paranoid" to point out actual events that have taken place and to link to an actual interview with one of the writers responsible for this. He's probably also one of those college students crying and saying that they're terrified for their safety simply because someone spoke on campus and holds different political views.
I never said it was wrong to speak out against crap like this, but sometimes it goes too far and hence people get paranoid. From what I was reading in this thread, you did seem paranoid. Sorry if my assumptions were wrong, I'm just angry with both sides at this point.
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lumin: Absolutely right. Gamergate is all about a bulwark against SJW political correctness. You saw the massive backlash against Anita Sarkesian's feminist crusade against gaming.
Anita Sarkesian isn't anti-gaming; if she were, why would she be making the whole video series, including one about subversions of the Damsel in Distress trope:
https://feministfrequency.com/2013/08/01/damsel-in-distress-part-3-tropes-vs-women/

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Totenglocke: This is when you meet the trans.
"trans" is not a noun; neither is "transgender", "cisgender", or "gay" for that matter.
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Totenglocke: That's just terrible writing and making them trans adds nothing to the game.
Wrong. If you're a kid or teen who knows you are transgender, maybe that representation gives you a feeling that its alright to be who you are. If you are trans, you face enough discrimination and it may be nice to see some positive representation of people like you.
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Totenglocke: That's just terrible writing and making them trans adds nothing to the game.
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crumb24: Wrong. If you're a kid or teen who knows you are transgender, maybe that representation gives you a feeling that its alright to be who you are. If you are trans, you face enough discrimination and it may be nice to see some positive representation of people like you.
That was one of the dumbest things I've ever read. No mentally disturbed teen is going to be comforted by a poorly written token character. That's like saying a black teen bullied by skin heads would be comforted by John Boyega's forced "diversity" in The Force Awakens.
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crumb24: Wrong. If you're a kid or teen who knows you are transgender, maybe that representation gives you a feeling that its alright to be who you are. If you are trans, you face enough discrimination and it may be nice to see some positive representation of people like you.
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Totenglocke: That was one of the dumbest things I've ever read. No mentally disturbed teen is going to be comforted by a poorly written token character. That's like saying a black teen bullied by skin heads would be comforted by John Boyega's forced "diversity" in The Force Awakens.
Dude. John Boyega was awesome.
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crumb24: Wrong. If you're a kid or teen who knows you are transgender, maybe that representation gives you a feeling that its alright to be who you are. If you are trans, you face enough discrimination and it may be nice to see some positive representation of people like you.
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Totenglocke: That was one of the dumbest things I've ever read. No mentally disturbed teen is going to be comforted by a poorly written token character. That's like saying a black teen bullied by skin heads would be comforted by John Boyega's forced "diversity" in The Force Awakens.
As a gay man, I know of what I speak. When I was growing up, there was pretty much no characters that were gay in the media, and if they were, they were bad or evil. When that's all you see, you begin to think something may be wrong with you. I hated myself for a long time, in part, because society said this about who I was. I know I'm not going to change your mind, but I really do think seeing yourself represented positively in the media does begin to help you get to a place of self-acceptance. It helps knowing that you're not "alone" in what you're going through. That is the point I was trying to make.
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yggr: It would not, in my book. As long as he published under his own name, why shouldn't he?
Lots of great works of art are based on others.when they are well done, they contribute something, even if I don't agree.

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Taro94: As I said, if son of Tolkien introduced LGBT to Middle-Earth in some new book or story, it would STILL be a problem even if the original works of JRR Tolkien were untouched.
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yggr: No, it wouldn't. As long as he published under his own name.
Precisely. I might have understood the argument if there was needless screwing with something the original author had worked on but left unfinished like, say, the Silmarillion (to run with the Tolkein example). Something like the Last Ringbearer, which Prof. Tolkein had no hand in, on the other hand, doesn't retroactively take everyone's copies of LotR and draw dicks on every page or whatever.

On a side note, I'm not sure whether to be insulted by the insinuation that my existence is inherently political, or whether I should take it as some sort of bizarre compliment.