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Vyrulisse: One NPC and a joke line from Minsc is "ruining games". Okay fella... please stop this nonsense, all of you. You are overreacting to nothing.

Judge the game based on the game, not one forgettable, nothing NPC and a JOKE LINE from Minsc. Ugh... it's unbearable watching this good game getting review bombed because of fake outrage.
I would advise you also to judge the game on its own merits.

Perhaps you haven't been paying as much attention as the rest of us, but most of the negative reviews so far have been concerned with the add-on's technical issues, which include broken multiplayer, broken mod compatibility, and a broken user interface, to name just a few problems.

As for the sloppy writing, it's not just the inclusion of one token transgender NPC and an out-of-place reference to Gamergate that has irritated people. There's also the sudden personality changes of established characters, and a goblin who accuses the party of racism.
Some consider the rewriting of Safana and Jaheira to be the most egregious crime - akin to the desecration of a holy relic, which Baldur's Gate is to many - while the Gamergate reference and the race card-playing goblin just do not fit in the world of the Forgotten Realms.
There are two main arguments against the transgender character: 1) that s/he feels forced, as though s/he were crammed in to score progressive points and nothing else; and 2) in a universe where seamless sex-change can be achieved through magickal means, a transgender character is not lore-friendly. If there's a reason for not having undergone the transformation, make it a story arc. Otherwise, s/he's just a cardboard cutout placed in the game to appeal to the social justice crowd.

Also, just telling a complete stranger something so personal...

What is that?
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Totenglocke: Hey, if you want to give your money to a company that's public about hating you just for your gender / race / orientation, I can't stop you. It's a waste of your money and you're actively hurting all gamers, but I can't stop you.
Every time you repeat this reversal crap I just can't stop laughing. Trying to be more inclusive is not reverse-sexism/racism/homophobia/transphobia, it doesn't matter how many times you say it.

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Totenglocke: Clearly you haven't seen the dialogue where you meet the tranny. It literally adds nothing to the plot at all. Also, Beamdog said that they put these things in the game purely to be "politically correct"...
It adds nothing to the plot at all...LITERALLY...except that it might feel nice to the trans players to be acknowledged for a change in a game they like. I fear your dark little heart is far too shriveled to ever empathize with such a concept.
Post edited April 04, 2016 by davidacampbell
Let sales and reviews decide whether making this game a medium for political agenda was the right decision.

A company needs consumers, but consumers don't need the company.

Beamdog writer saying "if people don't like it, too bad" is pretty much digging their own grave. This shitstorm is the result of saying "screw you" to players.
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Taro94: Beamdog writer saying "if people don't like it, too bad" is pretty much digging their own grave. This shitstorm is the result of saying "screw you" to players.
They are saying that to gaters, and like-minded gamers, which is a calculated risk but hardly the end of Beamdog.
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Taro94: Beamdog writer saying "if people don't like it, too bad" is pretty much digging their own grave. This shitstorm is the result of saying "screw you" to players.
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davidacampbell: They are saying that to gaters, and like-minded gamers, which is a calculated risk but hardly the end of Beamdog.
As has been demonstrated many times, SJWs don't play games and do not buy them. Sure, they demand that certain things be in games, but they won't pay money for it. Spitting in the face of potential paying customers to satisfy rabid SJWs that will not buy your game is a great way to end up bankrupt. Just ask the developer of Sunset who tried a similar strategy.
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davidacampbell: They are saying that to gaters, and like-minded gamers, which is a calculated risk but hardly the end of Beamdog.
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Totenglocke: As has been demonstrated many times, SJWs don't play games and do not buy them. Sure, they demand that certain things be in games, but they won't pay money for it. Spitting in the face of potential paying customers to satisfy rabid SJWs that will not buy your game is a great way to end up bankrupt. Just ask the developer of Sunset who tried a similar strategy.
The only one sounding anywhere near rabid in this thread is you fuck nuts.
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Totenglocke: As has been demonstrated many times, SJWs don't play games and do not buy them. Sure, they demand that certain things be in games, but they won't pay money for it. Spitting in the face of potential paying customers to satisfy rabid SJWs that will not buy your game is a great way to end up bankrupt. Just ask the developer of Sunset who tried a similar strategy.
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jaketward: The only one sounding anywhere near rabid in this thread is you fuck nuts.
Ladies and gentlemen, behold, sensitivity and appropriateness!
Post edited April 04, 2016 by Taro94
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Totenglocke: As has been demonstrated many times, SJWs don't play games and do not buy them. Sure, they demand that certain things be in games, but they won't pay money for it. Spitting in the face of potential paying customers to satisfy rabid SJWs that will not buy your game is a great way to end up bankrupt. Just ask the developer of Sunset who tried a similar strategy.
So why do you think Beamdog just does it anyway? Because this is important enough to them, and they believe the market can handle it. It's because if you guys had your way we would keep repeating the 80's/90's for the next 100 years. The originals still exist, you don't have to buy these expansions. Vote with your wallet and then maybe show a little dignity and shut your mouth.
transphobia? transpeople? trandgendered? trans character? gamergate? sjw?

I don't get it. Why you people have an 8 pages conversation over so silly terms? You seem to have more enjoyment in ridiculous discussions than the game itself.
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Totenglocke: As has been demonstrated many times, SJWs don't play games and do not buy them. Sure, they demand that certain things be in games, but they won't pay money for it. Spitting in the face of potential paying customers to satisfy rabid SJWs that will not buy your game is a great way to end up bankrupt. Just ask the developer of Sunset who tried a similar strategy.
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davidacampbell: So why do you think Beamdog just does it anyway? Because this is important enough to them, and they believe the market can handle it. It's because if you guys had your way we would keep repeating the 80's/90's for the next 100 years. The originals still exist, you don't have to buy these expansions. Vote with your wallet and then maybe show a little dignity and shut your mouth.
Not for long. GOG has announced the originals will be bundled with Enhanced Editions at the end of the month. So even if you want to vote with your wallet and buy the originals, your money will still fill Beamdog's pockets.
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Taro94: Not for long. GOG has announced the originals will be bundled with Enhanced Editions at the end of the month. So even if you want to vote with your wallet and buy the originals, your money will still fill Beamdog's pockets.
I would be fine with them throwing the originals in for free with the EEs, but to remove them otherwise is not cool. I only care because of the price difference, and because GoG should cater to enthusiasts of old software just as much as those looking for updated ports.
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Taro94: Not for long. GOG has announced the originals will be bundled with Enhanced Editions at the end of the month. So even if you want to vote with your wallet and buy the originals, your money will still fill Beamdog's pockets.
I guess we have until the end of the month then to purchase them.
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Dominius: So, I better buy all the EE to support the evil all-encompassing SJW agenda which will destroying gaming for everyo... well, only for regressive idiots.

If there's more diversity in games, fine - even if it's for diversity's sake.
I can't imagine why someone should have a problem with that except s/he is homophobic/sexist/racist/etc.

Some characters are gay now, so what? That's great!
And including a trans character is a nice addition, especially if the story isn't a big deal - because it shouldn't be. There's loads of transphobia in the real world and too many of my friends are suffering because of it. So why is it bad if there's a trans char included in the game to make a stand against the exclusion of transpeople?
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verus27: The problem isn't that there's a trans character. The problem is that it was not handled well. If they wanted to include a character that is trans, in a setting where it shouldn't matter as much as it does in the real world, there are better ways to do it.

Here's how I would have done it. Have the party come across a character that was cursed after innocently picking up an item in a cave. The item caused them to become a biological man. This character still has the mind of a woman, which is what they were born with. The character hasn't been able to find anybody to believe them, take them seriously or de-curse them in a few years (maybe they are far away from any wizards). After this much time, and knowing that their body is wrong, they are starting to have mental problems. They are getting close to a full break down when the party finds them. The party can then go on a quest, with this character, to break the curse and restore the character to how they want to be. This gives us more content, while also providing an in-universe way to bring up the idea/politics that the writer wanted to work with.

Now, there are problems with this, and it would have to be fleshed out considerably to be made a part of a game. That said, if handled right, this setup could be used as an allegory for what trans people go through. I am not a writer and I have zero experience with trans gendered people, but I'm willing to bet that this would be a way to handle the topic in a more subtle and dignified way than what Beamdog went with.

Which is the problem. They want to inject their own ideas, politics, issues, etc. into a game that is beloved by a lot of people. Then, they went and did it in one of the most hamfisted, blunt and, quite frankly, amateurish ways imaginable. Now, they don't understand why people are a bit upset about it.
If it is like you say (I haven't played the expansion yet), I can agree. You've pointed out a problem, analysed it and provided an alternative... That's what I expect from a qualified discussion.
The problem seems to be that many people here obviously are incapable off differentiating between criticism and the propagation of their own views. Or, the other way round: they seem to feel personally offended by something which goes against their VIEWS, but not against their persons themselves.

And frankly, don't ask art to be respectful. I'm a bit hesitant to call the BGs art, but if you do, beamdog has the right to add it's own interpretations just like anyone else. If you forbid that, you miss out on many great works of art (admittedly, you'd avoid much crap also, but there you go...)
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Do the hate mob not see how ridiculous they sound? Angry entitled white guy creates thread demanding people stop buying a game because, heaven forbid, they decided to subtly add some content to their new game that puts female characters into a slightly more positive light. Angry white guy loudly proclaims this is due to politics and it's being forced down our throats and we should all stand up ~do something~.

The only person who's forcing a politically biased opinion down anyone's throat is you OP. Your arguments are hollow, but I'm sure you've spend so long in the 4chan/reddit echo chambers you've grown deaf to it. If the inclusion of this content really drives you to such incandescent rage that you're prepared to soap box in a fucking sub forum on GOG, I would strongly suggest you seek help. Or stop reading Breitbart.
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jaketward: Do the hate mob not see how ridiculous they sound? Angry entitled white guy creates thread demanding people stop buying a game because, heaven forbid, they decided to subtly add some content to their new game that puts female characters into a slightly more positive light. Angry white guy loudly proclaims this is due to politics and it's being forced down our throats and we should all stand up ~do something~.

The only person who's forcing a politically biased opinion down anyone's throat is you OP. Your arguments are hollow, but I'm sure you've spend so long in the 4chan/reddit echo chambers you've grown deaf to it. If the inclusion of this content really drives you to such incandescent rage that you're prepared to soap box in a fucking sub forum on GOG, I would strongly suggest you seek help. Or stop reading Breitbart.
What I see:
- 1 red herring
- 2 ad hominems (one of which is very lengthy)
- at least 3 non-sequiturs
- generalizing

That's a lot of logical fallacies for such a short message.
Therefore the only conclusion we can come to is: your argument is invalid.