Gromuhl: What I see:
- 1 red herring
- 2 ad hominems (one of which is very lengthy)
- at least 3 non-sequiturs
- generalizing

That's a lot of logical fallacies for such a short message.
Therefore the only conclusion we can come to is: your argument is invalid.

Taro94: Don't forget about racism and sexism - the poster assumed the OP is white and male with no basis.

Gromuhl: What I see:
- 1 red herring
- 2 ad hominems (one of which is very lengthy)
- at least 3 non-sequiturs
- generalizing

That's a lot of logical fallacies for such a short message.
Therefore the only conclusion we can come to is: your argument is invalid.

Gromuhl: What I see:
- 1 red herring
- 2 ad hominems (one of which is very lengthy)
- at least 3 non-sequiturs
- generalizing

That's a lot of logical fallacies for such a short message.
Therefore the only conclusion we can come to is: your argument is invalid.

jaketward: Well at least no gamergater is guilty of any of the above either. I mean how dare someone make sweeping generalisations such as, I don't know, all SJWs don't play games.

yggr: It would be helpful if you could explain exactly where you spotted these rare species. Otherwise your argument is a bit invalid as well, I'm afraid.

loup: I thought roleplayers were open minded folk. I quess I was wrong.

Yunipuma: Nice thread!
Everyone's ablaze with the Righteous Anger, hurling at each other Fireballs of Sacred Hate.
Good, really good!
Myself, I do not like this expansion for 2 reasons:
1)WEAK writing (plot is... well, standard fantasy adventure; dialogs are too simple; your decisions matter little)
2) Aroogant attitude of madam writer ("if they do not like it - let them deal with it").
Well, it is not Beamdog's original franchise, so that kind of attitude is not acceptable - it is old fanbase that made this company's business profitable and if they want the support from community they MUST treat said community with care.
As an example - see DMC, reboot of Devil May Cry. The game itself is quite decent, but arrogant middle finger gesture the studio gave to the old fans (if you google you will find the facts) cost them - sales of DMC are very weak.

Oh, and to be true to the spirit of this fine discussion: the progressists and LGBT lobbyists are worst kind of liars and propaganda-spreaders in gamers' world.
And, like that lady writer Amber Scott said: "If you do not like it - deal with it"! SJW must be treated the way they treat others.

Buckid: After seeing this one erupt all over the internet for the last few hours, as best as I can tell, hardly anybody is actually upset about the inclusion of transsexual characters in gaming. Most of the gamers I've seen talking about this have actually been very supportive.

The big issues seem to be:

1) Nobody likes being interrupted during their fantasy RPGs to be preached at. Most of the criticism I've seen is that the writing is incredibly ham-fisted, and appears to be more interested in pushing an agenda rather than telling a good story that just, y'know, happens to includes trans characters in an engaging and naturalistic manner. (Trans players themselves seem to be quite upset by this type of writing, and seem to think that it does more harm than good to them to be patronized in this way by well-meaning, but ultimately misguided writers.)

2) People in group 1 really, really don't like to be accused of being bigots, just for criticizing bad writing, especially by the people whose game they are planning on buying. (That's just plain awful customer service, and the reason that I won't be buying this game.) This is a problem that has been cropping up in many communities for years, in that there are a lot of very hateful people who seem to enjoy mobbing and harassing others with baseless accusations of being "misogynistic", "homo/transphobic", racist, etc., which is appears to be basically an evolution of classic trolling that tries to hold the vague appearance of having some kind of moral backing. (It doesn't.)

The only thing I can suggest for this problem is that communities need to get better at policing these people, and that anybody who starts throwing these accusations around should be treated in exactly the same way that other persistent trolls are. Also, customers should be showing zero tolerance towards developers that attack their customers in this way.

Gromuhl: That's the best worded reply so far. Thumbs up!

yggr: I agree.
One small thing though. You are right to say that certain people abuse political correctness to harass others. But I still believe (or want to believe) that majorities can and should afford to be tolerant while minorities often can not. Society should be able to tolerate the odd blunt approach to gender equality for the sake of society itself.
And did I miss something? I honestly didn't find quotes where Beamdog insults their potential customers. I did search!

Buckid: After seeing this one erupt all over the internet for the last few hours, as best as I can tell, hardly anybody is actually upset about the inclusion of transsexual characters in gaming. Most of the gamers I've seen talking about this have actually been very supportive.

The big issues seem to be:

1) Nobody likes being interrupted during their fantasy RPGs to be preached at. Most of the criticism I've seen is that the writing is incredibly ham-fisted, and appears to be more interested in pushing an agenda rather than telling a good story that just, y'know, happens to includes trans characters in an engaging and naturalistic manner. (Trans players themselves seem to be quite upset by this type of writing, and seem to think that it does more harm than good to them to be patronized in this way by well-meaning, but ultimately misguided writers.)

2) People in group 1 really, really don't like to be accused of being bigots, just for criticizing bad writing, especially by the people whose game they are planning on buying. (That's just plain awful customer service, and the reason that I won't be buying this game.) This is a problem that has been cropping up in many communities for years, in that there are a lot of very hateful people who seem to enjoy mobbing and harassing others with baseless accusations of being "misogynistic", "homo/transphobic", racist, etc., which is appears to be basically an evolution of classic trolling that tries to hold the vague appearance of having some kind of moral backing. (It doesn't.)

The only thing I can suggest for this problem is that communities need to get better at policing these people, and that anybody who starts throwing these accusations around should be treated in exactly the same way that other persistent trolls are. Also, customers should be showing zero tolerance towards developers that attack their customers in this way.