Microfish_1: assuming all town roles are useless because the one that flipped was?
yogsloth: Yep. As GR helpfully pointed out, at least three are useless. The conditional, the dead half, and the live half that now can't function because cadaver is... a cadaver. In life, there are ridiculous, baseless assumptions... and then there is logical induction based on available, verifiable facts.
Careful how you throw around "logical induction based on available, verifiable facts".
Verifiable Fact 1: We know there are at least two different modifiers in the original setup. "Conditional (Action fails if any teammate uses an action)" and "Half (must act in conjunction with another half to function)". Therefore, we know that not everyone has Conditional.
Assumption: Everyone gets some kind of power that isn't technically useless. Therefore, there is another player with HALF to pair with ZFR.
Verifiable Fact 2: There are multiple modifiers in the OP that could be applied to nerf someone into near-but-not-total uselessness. Even if we don't reuse "Conditional" above with a different condition, we could pick Naive, One-Shot, Original, Paranoid, Reflexive, and Shy. Combine this list with what we've seen and there is enough for every townie to have something different without any repeats.
So, with all this in mind, why can't Micro happen to have a combination that actually worked last night? If he's Original and no one else targeted Yog, it works. If he's Shy and no one targeted Micro, it works.
With everyone poking around for mafia-oriented modifiers, the trick (of course) becomes "How do I nerf all these cops so mafia has a chance?"
yogsloth: Bookwyrm wrote a pretty decent post
nuts
I'll come back to it
Huh. That defense was surprisingly easy.
yogsloth: how long we got again?
I'd say about 2 weeks. 1 week for voting, and 1 week for twilight. (I'm teasing you, Joe!)
Lifthrasil: But the excuse of 'hey, I was just testing for a reaction' has been used very often by scum when caught at something. As has been the apologizing to a Townie close to lynch to appear nice.
Come on, Lift. Townies definitely test for reactions. Townies will also apologize for off-ing someone if they aren't entirely sure or if they feel a bit bad for scum being caught out due to no fault of their own.
yogsloth: Book has a bunch of non-game related posts
Hm. Which are those, again? 62 is game, 78 is game, 89 is for fun, 117 is game, 140 is game, 144 is answering a newbie's question with both TL;DR and my reasoning for those who care, 148 is game (including me defending my position from earlier), 149 isn't really game, 161 is game defending my claim request, 165 is answering a newbie question, 171 is explanation.
Then I got busy with Life. 301 acknowledges this, and I ended up swamped for most of the rest of D1.
Did we read the same ISO of Bookwyrm?
If you're concerned about my joining the Dogmaus wagon, I had multiple reasons, and I neither regret nor repent helping that lynch.
1) Per 62 (and what I've said in prior games), I'm absolutely willing to jump on even an RVS wagon. I believe it helps break RVS.
2) I firmly side with ZFR in the fight between ZFR and Dogmaus. That said, I decided not to get mixed up in it.
3) Especially as it continued, I came to view Dogmaus as a fatal risk to Town if left alive. That level of OMGUS would have been an on-going problem and distraction that we could not afford. If she can't be suspected without counter-accusing, then she can't be analysed and will absolutely prevent scum hunting by pushing back on the Townies that try to figure her out. The complete mis-representations of what people said would also hurt Town. Even back then, I figured she was Town in alignment, but she was definitely helping scum.
I still think it was a good lynch.
yogsloth: I can assure you I do not have any other chat link, and my action does not kill my target, as Mr. Wyrm is still alive
Any
other chat link? Huh. I didn't get any chat link at all.
While I'm glad I'm not dead, I submit that typically Mafia only gets a single factional kill and Cadaver is currently busy living up to his namesake.
Microfish_1: Assume I'm not lying (you know I'm not @yogs) and got those results. Someone please explain to me from the modifier list how my results could have been faked/tricked.
Lifthrasil: Because it's the three modifiers that were already discussed. We got conditional in the flip(s) and I explained in Post 399 specifically that scum will have networked and murderous. That you now pretend that you couldn't have faked this, doesn't increase my faith in the veracity of your read.
Read what he said again. He's saying that he looked for any ways in which his result might have been corrupted, and he's saying he doesn't see any. His request is for anyone else that can see such a scenario to present it.
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I think Micro's behavior matches up with town that got a scum result than with scum making a ploy. His first D2 post is dropping that vote without revealing he got an investigation, his next post backs it with the claim. Yog's posts have been more questionable on this Day. I don't see Scum!Micro volunteering to run this kind of trade, and I don't see a partner in the list that would have pushed for it.
The pieces point toward Yogsloth being scum, and I'm happy to stake Micro's life on it.
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