"I said Day 1 would last 7 days, so by golly it is going to last 7 days!!" -Joe, probably

little did he know that GR was so trigger happy :D

Joe watches the bizarro timer that was automatically activated when the final vote was placed. It tickes over to 48:00:00. And flashes. The words "Joe is allowed to talk again!" unfurl from a bizarro banner slung from a bizarro scaffold.
"Phew! I hope we won't have to follow that rule every evening! Har har har!" Laughs Joe.

5 - Dogmaus - ZFR, Lifthrasil, Bookwyrm627, Microfish_1, GamezRanker,

1 - Bookwyrm627 - yogsloth,
1 - ZFR - Dogmaus,
1 - Microfish_1 - ettac orrazib si eman ym,

0 - yogsloth -
0 - ettac orrazib si eman ym -
0 - Lifthrasil -
0 - GamezRanker -
0 - PookaMustard -
0 - No-Lunch -

Not Voting - PookaMustard,

Dogmaus is eliminated. She was [CONDITIONAL] PSYCHOANALYST. (The condition is that the action fails if another of your team acts).

Dogmaus is harried onto the bowl of an enormous bizarro trebuchet. Everybody else crowds onto the platform and places their hands on the bizarro lever.

"Goodbye Dogmaus!"

Dogmaus waves goodbye and everybody pulls the lever. The platform flips up and everybody but dogmaus is yeeted through the bizarro air. Looking back behind them, they see Dogmaus get smaller and smaller until she can no longer be seen.

They land on the next plateau along, bathed in the soothing radiance of the bizarro moon. After everybody's picked themselves up and brushed each other down they settle down to have a nice sleep.
"Goodnight everybody!" says Joe, "Don't worry, I'll stay up and keep watch. But of course, in the interest of impartiality, if anybody tries any funny business I won't interfere."

This is now the first action phase.

The Bizarro Metamorphosis is compete.

ZFR is replaced by Cadaver747.



Action phase will end in 36 hours or thereabout.

The bizarro sun rises, but not in the way you're thinking.

Cadaver747 is dead. He was [HALF] PSYCHOANALYST

"Woah, what the hell?" says Microfish, looking down at Cadaver's cadaver. "Was this supposed to happen?"
"Uuuhhhmmmm." mutters Joe, looking at a print out of readings. "I guess it was always a significant possibilty..."
"Aaiiii!!" screams Bookwyrm. "No-one is safe!!"
"You madman!" yells Lift. "Are we all going to die?"
ettaC turns sadly to Joe; "why do you never THINK before you do these things?"
Pook cries. "I wanna go home!"
Cadaver whispers "bleh... I r ded." very softly.
"I knew Joe was going to get me killed one of these days..." growls GR.
"What's everybody yelling about?" asks Yogs.

"Look, I'm sorry alright???" says Joe, mardily. "But come on guys you're the best mafia players on the whole internet, you can solve your way out of this one."

Nobody seems quite convinced. But the bizarro day ploughs on regardless.

It is now the second voting phase.

(@All: wrote the below during N1 and saved it for posting on D2....if I didn't turn out to somehow be the NK, that is)
(@OP: No votes in this Post)
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Damn, seems fren Dogmaus wasn't joshing. :|

Hmm, so they couldn't succeed in their analysis if someone on their team also acted.....so then, does that mean if another psychoanalyst or ANYONE ELSE on the same team acted during the night phase?

Gonna guess it was the latter.....also(sorry if this line comes out the wrong way, Dogmaus/everyone) maybe it was for the best that Dogmaus was the choice for D1, seeing as they were essentially nerfed if someone else on our team acted during N1.

Though now I can't help but wonder: do we psychoanalysts somehow all have the same qualifier/modifier(rare, but perhaps possible)? If so, then we're all essentially nerfed if anyone else on our team acts during the night phase. Hopefully not, and my chosen night action goes through.

"Goodbye Dogmaus, I will do my best to try and avenge ye!"
(and likely fail, like in most other games, but I shall still give it my all anyways :))

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General musings: well at least we had everyone voting for someone on D1 at EOD.....this will hopefully allow the players good at doing such a chance to check/scrutinize the wagons today(D2).

My guess? There is one scum on the Dogmaus wagon and one off....one of either ZFR-Daver/Lift/Book/Micro, and also one of either Yog/Catte/Pooka.

Now assuming that Catte's claim is true, and adding in my current gut feeling ZFR-Daver was/is town, that leaves: one of Lift/Book/Micro & one of Yog/Pooka.

***I picked Lift as my analysis choice for N1, and am now waiting on the result as of the time of writing up this portion of my reply***
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Well that was a quick round of mafia for Cadaver.

Musing: I wonder why the scum team NKd Cadaver, and not me or Catte....did they have a feeling about ZFR's role, perhaps?

Well, one thing seems to be highly likely.......many of the town team(if not all, perhaps) are psychoanalysts. As such, I am going to believe that Catte's claim was more likely genuine than a scum false claim at this time.

Btw, my result for N1? No Result
This either means I am also blocked if someone else on the team makes a night action, or something is up with Lift......my money says it's more likely the former.

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Doesn't say Town; says "team"

Right, so my first thought was that this was mafia after all, despite how insane that would be and almost totally impossible given dog's posts in twilight.

And then I re-checked my own PM

mine doesn't actually say I'm Town either

I would like to think if I were mafia I would know it

Man, GOG, we love our janktastic setups, don't we

So, looks like all Town at least are psychoanalysts. I don't have any modifiers. Other people said they didn't either, so I'm gonna big-brain that our modifiers are invisible until flipped or psychoanalyzed

But now we have two flips that are psychoanalysts hobbled unto uselessness

so I assume we all are

and nobody can psychoanalyze anything probs

so

you know what

I'm just gonna ignore the whole thing and vote wolfy people

Vote Bookwyrm

Probably not only all Town. In the first game I was Psychoanalyst too (which led me to assume that I was Town, since my PM didn't mention a faction). But I was scum.

Now, after the re-roll I was Psychoanalyst again, my PM still didn't mention faction so I specifically asked. I am Town this time. My role didn't say anything about a modifier either, so I tested whether I could act. I couldn't. My investigation returned a Failure.

This probably means that I'm Conditional too with the same condition that Dogmaus flipped with. I guess we all are. Which means that the only way to get a result is, if only one of us acts at Night. Scum have the big advantage of a chat here. We haven't, so we can't organize. If we agree openly who is going to do the analysis, that Investigator is going to be killed. If we don't agree on an active Investigator, the likelihood is big that more than one decides to investigate at Night. Or none at all dare to. Either way, we'll get nothing.

Any idea how to achieve that only one of us investigates without telling scum who it is going to be? That would be very helpful, because a psychoanalyst can find scum. If you look at the modifiers list in the OP, scum will be networked (they have a chat) and murderous (their action kills). So in this setup a psychoanalyst is at least as powerful as a cop. Only that I can't think of any way of making use of our collective investigation powers.

On to thoughts about factions:
Pookas Scum-Points for mediating on dogmaus' behalf are significantly reduced. He didn't coach a wayward scumbuddy, since dogmaus apparently wasn't scum. Even though her flip doesn't say explicitly Town. However, he still could have intervened as scum just to buy town points. Therefore his intervention is NAI and he's neutral for me for now.

@Joe: would we get an alignment flip if manage to kill a threatening role (=scum)? Or do at least all modifiers show up in flips? In other words: does dogmaus' flip mean that she was non-threatening? (=Town)


GR seemed genuinel sure of having caught Dogmaus at a lie. And so seemed Catte. I take that as a sign of genuine scum-hunting, since at the time the situation of 'we're all Psychoanalysts' wasn't known. So GR and Catte are relatively sure Town for me. And that in spite of GR's accidental quickhammer. Yes, that seems a scum move. But I trust that this can actually happen to Town-GR and to be honest, we Dogmaus was going to be the lynchee anyhow.


So, Dogmaus and ZFR/Cadaver are dead and were probably Town. (or non-threatening, as Joe calls it in the OP). I won't vote Catte or GR Today and I know I'm Town too. That leaves Pooka, micro, Yogs and Bookwyrm. Out of these Pooka's intervention feels benevolent in retrospect (yes, I know it could have been acted, as I said above) and Yogs feels scum-hunty. (even though he can fake that). Boowyrm feels uninvested and micro seems off.

Especially Post 331 is quite interesting. After I called him out for posting a list of 'suspects' that said absolutely nothing he evaded with "Good catch! Yes, my rating kept flip flopping up and down... but where is Your list?" And then goes on to ask for lists from everyone. A good method for scum to appear invested without contributing anything themselves.

But then it gets better: Micro speculates about a scum Psychoanalyst. Even though at that point it wasn't yet sure that we had multiple Psychoanalysts and there was no reason at all to speculate about such a typical Town role on the Scum side. Micro can't have known that this setup might have scum Psychoanalysts, because he hadn't been one in Game 1. ... But maybe he knows about it because he is one now!

And then, in the same non-commital way as his list, he suggests to lynch basically anyone if Dogmaus flips Town and goes on to preemptively apologizing to Dogmaus for voting her.

In conclusion I would say Micro is acting quite scummy.

vote Microfish

The first half are my responses while reading through what I hadn't read of D1.

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Far more interesting was Yog's statement about his role, not about his alignment.

I wouldn't have expected this conclusion; strikes me as odd.

With both Lift and Yogs commenting about GR's posts, perhaps I'll reread that ISO.

Oh, is that so? I didn't see some things in 13 and 63 that made me think you might be worth clearing?

I see that ZFR had my read on you spot on in 232. No, I don't expect you to believe me about that.

You've been away too long. We answer newbie questions around here. I do, anyway. Note that I specifically replied to an open question, and that Dogmaus is still a relative newbie.

Asking for a claim from someone that is on the verge of lynch is role-fishing now? I'm getting too old to keep up with meta. I suppose I could have let the vote sit and wait for her or someone else to note the closeness to lynch, but why wait?

Did you know that some Goggers are now fans of the claim at L-2? Apparently it is to avoid accidental-on-purpose hammers before the claim appears.

Not intentionally. Yet.

Also, this was the sum of your reasoning for me? I'm kind of disappointed, but less so if I mentally add "Bookwyrm isn't responding" to that list.

Credit where credit is due: that was pretty clever.

Considering everything through EOD1, between crumbs, general posting, and behavior, I'm comfortable tossing GR in the Town pile.

This leaves me feeling some kind of way. Not a good way.

And this also leaves me feeling that same kind of way.

Good heavens, Yog. When was the last time I actually tried to be completely innocent? I've fake-claimed on D1 as Town before. Innocence and I are barely on speaking terms.

I can't remember the last time I worried even with almost half the player base marking me down as likely scum. That's "Mission Accomplished" as far as I'm concerned: just Townie enough to avoid the lynch, just scummy enough to avoid the NK.

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Hi Cadaver. Bye Cadaver.

I'm sorry what?

Oh, I see. Joe screwed up, not you. Pooka didn't have a vote placed at EOD. He unvoted in 141.

I'm not placing my money next to yours, but I will guess that your action got shafted rather than Lift being some kind of unreadable.

The weird setups here are the ones that aren't weird.

Not an unreasonable guess (and it was my primary guess during N1), but the D2 flip says otherwise. Since ZFR was a HALF, presumably there's another player that is also a HALF who has therefore effectively lost their ability (otherwise ZFR never had an effective power in the first place). With two different conditions on the board, then perhaps each of us have our own condition for failure.

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Alright. I'm caught up on the thread now.

-On the whole, I'm clearing GR as stated above. Everything fits for him being Town.

-I'm clearing Yog by trying to out-guess the Mod. Not a great reason, especially with Yog, but there it is. The reasons have already been covered above and in the game thread. Yes, I'm also Psychoanalyst, both before and after the reset.

-I'm not sure about Catte. I haven't had good vibes, but Pre-hammer events kind of fit better with him being town than with him being scum.

-I'm not sure about Lift. Despite what I said above, I'm thinking he's actually Town.

-I'm getting bad vibes from Pooka and Micro, and I would happily vote either.

Putting deed to word, I'm going to
Vote Pooka

All modifiers will show up in flips. Dogmaus' role was non-threatening.

impossible!

Yup to all of that. The team thing has me wondering too. Of course town is a team, so it doesn't mean she was mafia but there really isn't anything confirming it either way.
I actually noticed fairly early on that my PM didn't say town, but there's no mention of factional kills, scum chat or teammates so I'm reasonably confident that I'm town.

I see no harm in letting slip that my attempt at psychoanalysis didn't work last night. Hidden modifier is what I'm assuming too.

Based on what we know of the game so far I don't think we can expect much help from PRs.

Based on things so far I have Yogs and GR leaning town. Not sure about everyone else.

I have two guesses atm. One is that psychoanalyst might be this game's equivalent to vanilla players. The other is that there's a chance that not all town players are psychoanalysts.

If the latter guess is indeed the case, then maybe it might not be such a good idea for any more town psychoanalysts to come forward.......as if there are other (more useful, even) town roles then each town claiming psychoanalyst might help the scum team find such other roles more easily.

3, actually.

Dogmaus could've analyzed if no one else on our team acted...so they might've been useful during the late game if they had survived.....but otherwise they didn't seem to be able to do much.

And as for ZFR-daver: they needed another player to act with them(perhaps to analyze the same target on the same "night") to function....so yeah, they and their "other half" (the other player still in game, whoever that is) were/are more or less useless before and after ZFR-Daver's removal from the game.

Um, you might want to re-read Joe's starting post for D2......ZFR-Daver had a totally different modifier/condition.

For all we know.....you (if truly town) might've been blocked due to being ZFR-Daver's other half, or for some other reason entirely.

Full disclosure: just want to mention that I speculated there might be scum psychoanalysts in a prior post or two(forget which ones, but am sure I did do it at some point....I believe during my back and forth with Dogmaus before EOD on D1).

Yeah, I figured it would probably be a better tactic/strategy to make more subtle cRUmbS in future games...and what better place to hide them than in plane sight?

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