*facepalm*

EBWOP

I meant:

"catte on the other hand has poor scum equity with both Town!dogmaus and Scum!dogmaus"

That extra "good" got there by mistake.

you can never elaborate, you just poorly make jokes and insults. Anyway, at least you have stopped with the "you said I'm scum because name wrong" thing for one post.
All I see from Pooka is trying to recompose things in town in case your is not scum strategy but a real misunderstanding, and I don't see Pooka trying to pacify players as sus for now.

"Who's talking about policy lynch?"
well, you said you are not changing your vote but you don't know if I am Town. And you voted for me just for being suspicious at all the weird mess made by Lift at the beginning of the game. Then building up a theorema about me and now Pooka or anyone who are not after me could be scum.

Then I have been accused of voting without being sure "just to be seen voting". When I question that you are doing the same, the answer is that of course it's normal this way. Pick one, Lift and ZFR.

Lift: Easy. Town can never be 100% sure. ZFR sees you as scummy, so he votes you.

Also Lift: " Because that would mean that you vote just to be seen voting and not because you think ZFR is scum."

So you two have the right to vote "just to be seen voting", but if I have a suspect and vote, I'm scum,
All your answers are a broken record or silly jokes. It's like you are 2 pages behind. If you are Town take a deep breath and let's try to recompose this.
I also want to focus on others and move on, so I won't be answering for the 10x time to the same stuff, also ZFR reactions being on the level of *facepalm* *your sister* it's really pointless, it's like to converse with a wall.

When roles are assigned, they're all sent one fell swoop. Lift's done? Move on to dogmaus's, move on to ZFR's, move on to GamezRanker's and so on and so forth until they're all done. Have you received your new role at the time Lift told you about it?

Not really, isn't it? Check your timestamps, compare when Joe restarted versus when Lift made his statement versus when you got your PM, Big discrepancy here.


OK, this I can explain. I fucked up the point I was trying to get across. Remember all the times GR just got lynched because he held on to some technicality and kept distracting the hell out of everyone until he was forcefully ejected? That's the kind of "policy lynch" I meant.

Why am I even mediating in the first place? Yes, it's to avoid lynching people just because they're noisy. I don't want to lynch dogmaus because of all the misunderstandings she has created, or else I'm afraid of the possibility I'll just be lynching yet another town GR. Either that or I'll keep chasing after a scum GR all game when there isn't one.

In other words I'm trying to avoid repeats of previous games here.

Because I'm sure it will be devastatingly important: I posted 42 before I got my role PM for the reset.

I think you and I have very different interpretations on catte's behavior this far in this game. I absolutely see him as just sitting back and letting things ride right now, which is close enough to lurking that I'm willing to lynch him for it. Enough people have questioned Dogmaus' read on Lift's between-game-claim/answer that scum!catte doesn't need to do anything if that lynch is going to happen, and if he just sits back then he can't be called out for either helping it or blocking it.

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Some movies have great lines. My sister reminded me of one a while back, and it has stuck with me. See the picture.

Vote Dogmaus

If one chooses to be awfully pedantic with Pooka's Post 111, then Dogmaus is at L-1.

If one chooses to believe that Pooka did not vote when he bolded that vote in the middle of his post, then Dogmaus is at L-2.

I hear that L-2 is the new L-1, so either way, can be claim times now plz?

I'll kill Joe if he picks the bolded vote in my quote of ZFR as my own vote. But just for the sake of caution:

Unvote Lifthrasil
Unvote dogmaus

We're no longer in RVS anymore.

" Have you received your new role at the time Lift told you about it?"
I might, I thought so, it's not possible to check due to the nature of the forum as all one can see is "3 days ago". But it doesn't matter, as I have already said it's not a problem, it's just Lift and ZFR obsessively bringing it up. I have spent like two days saying it does not matter to me and it's not relevant. But now they have decided it's a good excuse to claim my head on a pole.

Also I wish i had express myself better about you
I wrote "All I see from Pooka is trying to recompose things in town in case your is not scum strategy but a real misunderstanding, and I don't see Pooka trying to pacify players as sus for now."
I wish I had written "All I see from Pooka is trying to recompose things in town in case (it's a in-town dispute and I agreee with chilling the situation on day 1 because after all yours - Lift and ZFR) is not scum strategy but a real misunderstanding, and I don't see Pooka trying to pacify players as sus for now."

Of course you Pooka might suspect of me as well, while they are trying to make you look like you are supporting me, while you are just being neutral and seems to me, to help town. ScumPooka might want to make me desist from voiting scumZFR of course, but that would be a smaller fragment of possibility.


Open question: do the other more experienced players agree on the 2 out of 9 possible scum/population ratio, based on previous games balance? Genuine question without implications.

I might be less active because life, vaccinate my cat, guests and stuff! If I'm AFK for a few hours it doesn't mean "I don't answer questions". But if it has to be the same loop from the same two, I'd rather play Loop Hero, at least there's something new happening there.

Are you claiming?

With 9 players, I'm reasonably sure there is 1 scum team consisting of 2 players. Because of how the numbers would work out, I think 1 scum would be somewhat more likely than 3 scum, but I wouldn't bet on either of those being the case instead of 2 scum.

For completeness sake, here's my explanation for my numbers. This next bit is just mechanical fiddly-ness speculating about balance, so feel free to skip the rest of this post if such things make your eyes glaze.
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A 2 scum team with a single kill means Town has two mislynches before a 3v2 LyLo (Lynch Right Or Lose). It is also places approximately 25% of the players on the scum team (22% being close than 33%). This feels about right for a game this size.

A 3 scum team means a single mislynch places town in a 4v3 LyLo, and it means Town has to have a 75% success rate in lynching scum over 4 days in order to win. Obviously, this massively favors scum. This might be mitigated by lots of strong power roles for Town, at which point the game is mostly about the Night phase, not the Day phase.

A 1 scum team (effectively a solo SK against Town) strongly favors Town in that the single scum has to dodge 3 lynches just to reach LyLo. Possible, but unlikely. I think this is the most likely scenario to have a Survivor just to reduce Town's numbers a bit.

A game with two different scum factions (whether 2 SKs or a 6T v 2M v 1SK) might be possible, but having two kills each night will make it crazy swingy. Could be interesting, but no real way to balance it because of the size of the game; the winner is more likely to be determined by where ever the kills get targeted than by any particular skill of the players.
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thank you! this was all very interesting and detalied, I appreciate! I was also considering a neutral party making their own interest but maybe this time it's not possible, because of the nature of the population - I got from JS that "This game is non-threatening roles vs threatening roles" so I don't see a 3rd party possible, right?

Now you're twisting meaning again. If you quote, quote completely and not out of context. This is what I wrote: You claimed that you didn't say that you see ZFR as scummy. I just pointed out what that means, combined with your vote. I didn't say that you did vote just to be seen voting. It's just one of the two possibilities.
1. either your vote meant that you saw ZFR as scummy (which you denied later)
2. or your vote was there just for the sake of voting.

Which one it is, only you can tell.

As for not dropping the topic of your suspicion that was based on a false assumption, well, you can blame that on yourself. You're the one harping on and on about it and choosing not to understand what everyone else is telling you. All it would have taken on your part would have been to notice "Oops, I was wrong. The causal connection that I suspected can't have been there." But instead you escalate your artificial suspicion and choose to see pointing out the error in your thinking as attack. As Pooka and others pointed out: this is anti-town play.
Again, whether you play against Town out of stubbornness, because you can't bear having been so wrong, or out of scumminess is something only you can know. Fact is, you hurt Town. Therefore, for now, you are the player that is most likely to have an anti-town role.


This, however, is a very good question. It is indeed very strange that dogmaus was so adamant that I might have gotten my role PM way before everyone else. Perhaps the origin of the misunderstanding is, that it was dogmaus who recieved their PM way before everyone else. Then the question would be: why?

And another, correlated question would be: how does Pooka know that there is a big discrepancy between the time stamp of my statement and the time stamp when dogmaus got the PM? There is no 'I guess there's a big discrepancy'. There is an absolute 'check your timestamps ... big discrepancy here'. Does that mean, their PMs were linked?

Now, this is no proof of anything. This could just be Pooka drawing conclusions from his own PM and generalizing this to everyone without explicitly stating that this is an assumption. But if dogmaus turns out to be scum this little passage does look a bit like a more experienced scum player coaching a new scum player. (under the assumption that they don't have a day-chat)


On towards other players:
I can't see what ZFR sees as so towny in catte. What catte wrote so far is mostly NAI. But there isn't a lot. So yes, this could be catte just coasting along under the radar. Especially with the admission of not having read the most vivid discussion at that time. @Catte: have you caught up by now and read everything?

ZFR himself appears to be quite towny.

Pooka could either be Town trying to mediate to get a conflict, that he perceives as town on town, out of the way. Or he could be scum trying to mediate that conflict to save his scumbuddy. But to get a feeling which of the two it is, we would have to know dogmaus' alignment. In other words: if dogmaus is town, Pooka gets Town points in my book, because scum could just hang back and let T on T continue. But if dogmaus is scum, Pooka might be too.

The observation of 'not a lot contribution to analyse so far' also applies to others. Yogs hasn't posted much. But what he posted made sense.

Bookwyrm: nothing alignment indicative so far. Only thing off: accusing GR of lurking hard in Post 117. When GR has three times as many posts than Bookwyrm has.

True, GR feels less active than in some other cases. But still he is more active than some others. So lurking isn't the word I'd use.

Micro: now here is someone lurking hard. For someone so eager to play, as he stated in his first post, the low contribution is looking off indeed.

Conclusion:
I would not vote ZFR or yogs today. Nor Pooka, before knowing dogmaus' alignment. I would prefer to lynch dogmaus today. Second choice would be Micro. Bookwyrm or GR or catte only if necessary to avoid a no-lynch.

It does matter because it shows why your original statement about Lift is just plain wrong.


No one is "obsessively bringing it up".

You made a wrong statement. I brought it up to show how that statement is wrong. Then did Lift. And instead of admitting your mistake, you started getting very defensive and accusing everyone of misrepresenting you.

Whatever. Are you claiming or not?

I'd forgotten about that. Yes, that does seem to imply there is no 3rd party.

On the flip side, I noted a lack of Vigilante and PGO (Paranoid Gun Owner) in the list of possible roles, so maybe there is 1 scum, they are a Tyrannosaur, and we're going to all be eaten if we don't lynch them on Day 1. Uncertainty is the spice of life, eh?

Also, I can haz claim plz?

Quality over quantity. Sure, he's got a lot of posts (he usually does), but nearly all of that is fluff or talking about your Post 20. Feel free to provide a summary of his contributions, positions, and analysis of the game state, and for the sake of comparison a summary of mine. For extra credit, indicate which one takes longer to complete and why.

Oh hey, I found a stray reply window.

Oh yeah, the picture didn't upload with my latest vote post.

I can't think of anyone that would count quoted votes, but you did bring it out yourself outside of a quote. :)

But context says that's one of those where I as a mod might privately confirm with the player, or request that they make it clearer if they want it to count.

I have already said that's ok with the Lift post thing. I agree it's reasonable that he made his previous role public. I can't do anything else. WHat do you want from me now? I say ok, it's not a problem, and you keep going on with "you said you said you said"...This is the last time I answer to you or Lift on this.


" Whatever. Are you claiming or not?"
Why are you saying this to me now? I am not claiming anything and I don't know what is that you want from me now.