Remind me what the problem is with nominating chancellor who's next in line for president?

If there's a common strategy of test-a-chancellor-then-skip-to-their-presidency-if-they-pass then what's so different about test-the-next-president-and-skip-them-if-they-fail?

But I feel like there's something I'm forgetting about this because I think it used to make sense to me.


Not that I think it's a good idea to test Pooka. I think a Dedo-ZFR government makes sense. Joppo says dedo's Liberal, which I think is worth trusting until more evidence comes up. and I'm thinking both zfr and scene are liberal.

I believe in Scene's 'I need the liberals to work together to protect my win record' thing. It's not impossible he fakes it, but I'm willing to trust him.
ZFR this recent mistrust of scene seemed genuine.


Is it because me and dedo told you to investigate zfr? Or is it something else? If it's not something else does the fact that dedo turnt up liberal change that at all?

I'm keen not to lose my chance for government to vague feelings of unease with no clear source.

I'm starting to get that feeling of 'if everyone's who's contributing is liberal then what are the fascists doing?'

why?

You catch a slip, you make it clear you think you caught a slip. You don't ask a rhetorical question.

Now that you mention it, I remember it used to make sense back then but now I can't explain why it is bad either. If someone knows I would appreciate an answer.

It was definitely a factor, yes. Slightly mitigated by Dedo's newfound alignment, but I still judge you separately because it's not unreasonable to think you and him had different motivations to suggest ZFR.
Other than that, just a gut feeling so far. I can't point a post and say it's a smoking gun.

But also, this very question you asked at the end. I know the alignment of two players (including myself) ; 4 fascists are hiding in the remaining 8 players. I can't believe that the fascist team is made of the 4 most silent players (Cadaver, Pooka, GR and Maxleod, the latter not as quiet as the previous 3). So if I assume there's at least 1 scum among ZFR, Lift, Scene and you that gut feeling put you in the lead, as least for now.

I wish I could base it in more concrete evidence, sadly it is something that simply doesn't exist at this stage of the game.

That said, your reaction looks...genuine? I gotta think if it is characteristic of scum!Joe or town!Joe. Hmm.

The 'skip to a trusted chancellor's presidency' is a good strategy if you either already trust the chancellor or if you trust the nominated president. But putting an unknown player under an unknown president into a position where he might influence two policies and two reads in a row, would give a hypothetical F, or even worse, an FF team, far too much influence on the game. A F president could 'clear' an F chancellor who then can influence the game further as president himself.

So, power play becomes a valid strategy once we have enough information. But until we do, I think we
1. don't want to put too much power into too few hands
2. want to spread out our testing a bit, to get a better picture of the entire table. Not only a few players.

It was a simple observation made on an assumption you were making. The only way Fascists can insure they get adequate fascist policies on the board is by silent dropping Liberal policies. Yet you were working off the assumption that there are 6 and not 5 or 4 Liberal policies in the deck. It could be a slip, although I tend to doubt you'd make that mistake as fascist. You can see it as shading as you wish or in turn you can see it as trying to solve the game.

My concern that you maybe part of the fascist team is the amount of players wanting yourself as the chancellor on Dedos government. Meanwhile Pooka and Joe are dismissed as prospective candidates for no real reason. Joe seems to be discriminated against because we know historically he genuinely doesn't have internet access much of the time. I question why are so many people favouring ZFR? Is it possible the Fascist wagon is lobbying government on his behalf? It's possible from my point of view

What do you think of this whole 'powerplay position' Lift is floating? Because I think it's a nonsense. There's no powerplay position in being a chancellor and then President. Because simply if you don't play Liberal policy, you in turn don't get trusted to be president.

No, no that's not what you said. You didn't ask "why do you think there are 6L left"? You said this: There is no room for ambiguity here. It's a clear insinuation that I'm fascist. What are you "solving"?


I don't feel strongly as Lift against someone being Chancellor then President. Obviously if he doesn't pass an L, he gets skipped. Nonetheless out of the two options, I prefer myself over Pooka.

I know what I said, however if you assume Joppo didn't discard a Liberal policy isn't it reasonable for me to assume you know he didn't discard a Liberal policy because you can see his role card? Like the old saying goes 'Assume makes an 'Ass' out of 'U' and 'Me'

Obviously you prefer yourself over Pooka, there's no reason for all the other people to prefer yourself over Pooka and Joe.

Bump

So, would your preference be Pooka as Chancellor, rather than ZFR?

I hope you are keeping an open mind about this and you're not just granting them the benefit of the doubt just because "what are the odds??".

I'd prefer myself

Obviously. You made that abundantly clear. And yet you seem to argue against ZFR and for either Joe or Pooka. Why? Just because others seem to prefer ZFR? Or do you have a reason to prefer them other than wanting to do something different from the majority?

But I just did that earlier.....oh noes o.0 ;D
(my alternate response)

Joking around aside:

But I thought you'd only vote for govvts with you in them? Isn't that what you said earlier?

Making fiends truly was the show that kept on giving.....a shame it ended so quickly.

Yeah, that could also be a possibility....that said, I also lean Joppo as neutral(but I have a gut feeling/etc he's slightly more likely L) atm.