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supplementscene: Ties go in the fascists favour? Given that we are given the results of the vote, we will know a president is fascist on the even of a tie won't we?
if there are 5 yes and 5 no, the government is rejected.
What assumptions you make about the alignment of the then-rejected pres/chance is up to you.
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dedoporno: I don't know what that means but I hope it goes in the best possible way.


@Micro, how are those votes going? Are we close to any sort of resolution on the current nominated government?
We are waiting on 2 votes.
Post edited February 05, 2022 by Microfish_1
I voted the only way possible given the circumstances. I'm going to post more since later today.
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Cadaver747: since later today.
EBWOP:starting from later today.

P.S. I'm not drunk, I'm just an alien in an Englishmen World.

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Lifthrasil: Then you should visit the thread more. Also, how do you know what joppo's deepest desires are?
There is wisdom is your words, good sire! Nothing I would like more than to "belong".

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Lifthrasil: But if you haven't cast your vote yet, please do so. It's the first proposed government, so it should be voted into office so that we can start testing people. Unless you have a good reason to mistrust both Joppo and Maxleod.
I'm not comfortable with someone pushing my voting right so openly, I have nothing on both of them candidates, they mean nothing to me as well, the lie, all politics lie. I would gladly to reconsider when I have at least a fraction of "experience" living under their new law system but for now I'm not entirely interested.

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Lifthrasil: Voting NO on the first proposed government can only have one of three reasons:
1. you seriously mistrust one or both of the players due to how they behaved.
2. you are a selfish player who tries to resort to blackmail and doesn't vote YES unless he is nominated himself.
3. you are a Fascist and all your buddies are towards the end of the line, so you have to prevent some governments to have a chance to get one of you into office.
OMG, one reason is worse than another, not fond of voting opinion manipulation. I bet there are at least two more quite logical reasons to be (a dick) indifferent to politics.

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Lifthrasil: So the decision what to vote should be easy.
Easy for you to say, you seem quite determined.
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supplementscene: Ties go in the fascists favour? Given that we are given the results of the vote, we will know a president is fascist on the even of a tie won't we?
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Microfish_1: if there are 5 yes and 5 no, the government is rejected.
What assumptions you make about the alignment of the then-rejected pres/chance is up to you.
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dedoporno: I don't know what that means but I hope it goes in the best possible way.

@Micro, how are those votes going? Are we close to any sort of resolution on the current nominated government?
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Microfish_1: We are waiting on 2 votes.
Can you explain your sentence: ' ties go in the F's favor'

Is that just if someone absteins? Or is a tied vote passing for a fascist president?
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ZFR: Unless ABSTAINS are not counted to the total, so for example:

4x YES
3x NO
3x ABSTAIN

Does this pass or not? This is the point I want a definite clarification on.

(As far as I understand the rules, it shouldn't, but I'd rather have a confirmation now).
I stand corrected.

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Lifthrasil: One of our daughters has her confirmation tomorrow and today we are busy with preparations.
I believe that this is a good thing. If it is, congratulations. If it is not, I am sorry to hear that.

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supplementscene: Can you explain your sentence: ' ties go in the F's favor'

Is that just if someone absteins? Or is a tied vote passing for a fascist president?
I think this must have been just a mistaken Mod statement. Micro probably meant that tied votes usually favor fascists, simply because it brings us closer to a topdeck and topdecks carry high chances of flipping a fascist policy.

But if this is not correct I want Micro to make that clear too.

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maxleod:
I am still waiting for you to reply to Dedo's post #80.
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joppo: I think this must have been just a mistaken Mod statement. Micro probably meant that tied votes usually favor fascists, simply because it brings us closer to a topdeck and topdecks carry high chances of flipping a fascist policy.

But if this is not correct I want Micro to make that clear too.
I think Micro meant that for a government formation, a tie means NO. Need 50% +1 to pass.

He accidentally said it favours Fs when he meant it favours NOs.

But I could be mistaken.
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Lifthrasil: One of our daughters has her confirmation tomorrow and today we are busy with preparations.
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joppo: I believe that this is a good thing. If it is, congratulations. If it is not, I am sorry to hear that.
I think Lift means the sacrament?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation

If so, best wishes to her. If not, best wishes to her either way.
Weekends are usually a time when I'm often unavailable. I will try to check whether the election is over during the sunday, but no promises. I'll see you all on monday morning at the latest.

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ZFR: I think Lift means the sacrament?
Probably.
If everybody votes YES because the only reason to vote NO is because you're scum, then there's nothing to analyse if a government conflicts or is somehow discovered to have been lying.

IF you say to yourself "I'm probably going to vote YES but I might just vote NO based on no particular reason", then it gives the fascists a opportunity to sway the vote, which means that votes might be worth analysing.


Nah this is stupid. Don't do this. I probably should delete this post instead of sending it.
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maxleod: Sorry for the delay, I couldn't find the game thread...
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dedoporno: Welcome! As you may have seen already the current events are partially related to you. Do you have any thoughts on that particular plotline? I see you already made a conscious effort to claim your allegiance so I assume you're not opposed but it would be useful if you shared your own view on things.
Not sure what my "view on things" is. Still taking the temperature of the room I guess?
I see people already suspecting other people even though nobody was elected yet, and not a single policy passed.
Could that be a smoke screen?
Also... Gummy bears... WTF is that supposed to mean? Is it a clue?
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ZFR: I think Micro meant that for a government formation, a tie means NO. Need 50% +1 to pass.

He accidentally said it favours Fs when he meant it favours NOs.

But I could be mistaken.
This, apologies.

+++++++++++++++++

I meant a tie favors the NOs.
For any government to pass, whether L, F, or a mixture, it needs 51% of the vote to be yes

++++++++

Also, if a player wants to abstain, but the script doesn't allow them to do so--is this a no?
Because in IRL, an abstain means they count towards a forum, but the 50% threshold doesn't count their presence.

However, I tested the script, and the script Pooka wrote doesn't allow abstainings in that way; it just treats it as "no vote for now" and doesn't let the gov pass or fail until "yes" or "no" is filled in for ALL players.

++++++++++++

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maxleod: Not sure what my "view on things" is. Still taking the temperature of the room I guess?
I see people already suspecting other people even though nobody was elected yet, and not a single policy passed.
Could that be a smoke screen?
Also... Gummy bears... What is that supposed to mean? Is it a clue?
Gummy Bears are kind of the americanized version of "Jelly Babies", an English candy loved by Tom Baker's Dr Who.

I love gummy bears myself, too. Cadaver asked for seat 13 in a 10 player game. The thought of 10 chairs filled with gummy bears (or a single giant gummy bear each?)--such that seats 1-10 were not available-- struck me as funny.

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Lifthrasil: That's the same as #2

I won't be available much throughout the weekend. One of our daughters has her confirmation tomorrow and today we are busy with preparations.
Congratulations! That is a big milestone!
Post edited February 05, 2022 by Microfish_1
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Microfish_1: And doesn't let the gov pass or fail until "yes" or "no" is filled in for ALL players.
As it should be per the rules
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maxleod: Also... Gummy bears... What is that supposed to mean? Is it a clue?
It also has strains of this video running through my mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5d8pVg3Qtg
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supplementscene: Can you explain your sentence: ' ties go in the F's favor'

Is that just if someone absteins? Or is a tied vote passing for a fascist president?
Apologies; I mean that ties go in the "NOs" favor.

I misspoke earlier.
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Lifthrasil: That is correct. There is no abstain in the rules and since a majority of YES is necessary to accept a government, Abstain would be the same as NO.
Ok.

Somehow I missed this post (I wasn't ignoring you!)
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ZFR: As it should be per the rules
Yes, i see that now.
Post edited February 05, 2022 by Microfish_1
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joppo: I believe that this is a good thing. If it is, congratulations. If it is not, I am sorry to hear that.
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ZFR: I think Lift means the sacrament?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation

If so, best wishes to her. If not, best wishes to her either way.
Yes. That's it. Thank you all for the good wishes.
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Lifthrasil: That's the same as #2
Tbh I don't think #2 fully fits.
(ex: I don't see scene's play style/etc here as being [mostly/fully] fueled/motivated by selfishness)

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Lifthrasil: I won't be available much throughout the weekend. One of our daughters has her confirmation tomorrow and today we are busy with preparations.
Hope you have a good time of it, then.