Crap, not in a position to download my games until next weekend. Well, crossing my fingers...

A new problem appeared.

I was trying to get a Steam key for a game that was part of an IR bundle. I went to the bundle page and tried to get the key, but got the message:
"Error loading key to save, please try again."

So, the next thing I did was go to Desura collection page to get the key. This time I got the message:
"You need to get keys from Indie Royale where this game was purchased."


How can keys be somehow separate between Desura and IR, if all games end up in the Desura collection automatically?

And is there even in theory a separate customer service for IR, if this somehow is supposed to be separate from Desura?

Would the previously mentioned game key script help with this?

Wasn't Desura also hosting ModDB?

If ModDB goes down it'll be bad. We'll lose a lot of great mods.

ETA: Kinda of, but looks like ModDB might be OK? Business relationships are hard to pin down. Backing up anything interesting on ModDB is probably smart.

As far as I know, the Steam keys for games in the IndieRoyale bundles could be obtained in the IndieRoyale page, therefore, the Desura keys had no Steam keys associated.

The rectangles for the Steam keys always appear blank and when you click on the white space your key appears. Even if you had gotten the key earlier.

1) Distribution agreements are required for each game. Lots and lots of expensive lawyers, especially if the site sells internationally, and they need to be periodically renewed. The other parties may want to change terms, requiring more expensive negotiation.
2) Good server admins are necessary and expensive
3) Customer support
4) Programmers to maintain the website
5) Servers and bandwidth cost a lot
6) Finance people to work out how to price games
7) A team to keep manage publishing new games for sale
8) Office space
9) Benefits for all employees, above and beyond salary
10) Taxes, fees, etc
11) Management to make sure the above work together and get paid

Businesses are a lot harder than most people think. That's why so many new businesses fail.
Are you sure you aren't being downvoted for being incoherent?

I tested this a bit more.

You actually do see Steam keys in the Desura collection page, but only after you have clicked on the bundle page first to get the Steam key. After you do that, it also becomes visible in the Desura collection - whether the key is redeemed on Steam or not makes no difference.

Of course this makes the described error message even weirder. As I actually can see the Steam key field for that game in the Desura collection, something has been activated somewhere. But since neither the bundle page nor the Desura collection can actually bring up and show the key, it possibly doesn't exist, or at least due to some database error won't associate with either of those pages.


Maybe I will collect all these key issues to one email and try to send it to what once was a customer support. There is always the small hope that someone is actually still working there. But then again, since I don't even really use Steam, and redeem only for worst-case-scenario backup purposes, it's not such a big issue...

Well, that was a pretty frivolous and lighthearted comment I made. Yes, I understand work and expenses are involved in running a successful business.

And yet I stand by my opinion that they fucked up something that should have been much harder to fuck up. :)

No worries, the guy who invented and developed ModDB, IndieDB and Desura/IR, still owns the first two. Only Desura/IR was sold to Linden Labs who in turn sold them to now bankrupt Bad Juju. It would be funny if Scott "INtense!" Reismanis or his company DBolical Pty Ltd. would now reaquire Desura/IR from Bad Juju. Read ModDB and Desura entires in wikipedia to learn more.

70/30 means 70 goes to the people behined the game be they the devs or the publisher and 30 goes to the store.

You're of course right DCT. My bad.

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Additional:

I'm sorry to have caused so much offense with my well-researched and long-deliberated comment.

I hereby publicly apologize for impugning the reputation of the owners and employees of Desura and Bad Juju.

;)

Do let us know if anything changes (wether it's dismissal, paperwork got filed and court will proceed or something else happens).

Edit: What I find curious is that according to Desura news feed, games are still being approved and these devs seem completely unaware of the bankruptcy. Same goes to some devs posting updates. I feel bit sorry for devs who got approved just before, around or after the bankruptcy became public knowledge.

Yes, all this crap was bound to happen. Strange they was alive for that long.
The main problems in Desura was not awful site design, which was awful always and not client, which for a long time completely optional.
Main problems was quite low average quality of games (not all, ofc, there was tons of GOOD games, but much more just awful) and fact that many developers considered Desura as temporary platform "for Greenlight period"
So, strategy was damn easy - make some game, instantly put on Desura, put in on Greenlight, RIGHT away get it in hordes of bundles, hope for get it greenlighted, now you can either tell your bundle customers to go screw yourself (some dev did that) or give away Steam keys -> now hope for cash on Steam.
Many developers after being released on Steam just forgot about Desura, some even removed game from sale..some developers didnt survive Greenlight so they just disappeared.
No service can survive this. Comment on Desura always was filled only with Steam keys whining.
In other words, Desura become dump filled with wannabe Steam-games.
Now its become clear why GOG decided to never go this way.
Anyway, its bad news - one DRM-free platform less.

I got a lot of new info today. But I will upload BK docs later today. The case won't dismissed since they upload all the required docs. They list how much they own to creditors and developers.

More later today!

I see it is Chapter 7.

That means buh-bye.

I'm back. Bad Juju counsel did upload all the require documents for their Ch 7 BK case last Friday 06/12/15. I uploaded the must read documents here from 06/12/15 on the attached picture link.

The new batch includes the amounts they have in assets, the money they own to creditors, and etc. This is very important since this is the first time they enclosed how much they really own to different people/companies and this isn't available on a news website.

Things to look at is Doc 16 Personal Property which they enclose how much funds they have in bank accounts at time of filing, the federal trademarks they own, and how much Desura is worth in their opinion. Doc 17 Creditor Holding Secured Claims is pretty much Creditors holding claims on assets/property. Doc 20 Financial Affairs shows how the money is going in/out of Bad Juju and what they picked up (Desura is listed plenty of times). Doc 21 is the big one, Creditor's Holding Unsecured Non-priority Claims. We all know how behind Bad Juju is in paying developers. Well they list all the developers they claimed they own money to and they list the amount. Tons of tons of pages on that list and a lot of international companies/people on it.

So what will happen on their CH 7 BK case? When reading Doc 16 they do have assets so what will most likely happen is that the case will become a Ch 7A (A for Asset) case where the Trustee of the BK case (the ones who will review everything from Bad Juju and reviewing/handling their financial affairs) will "discover" assets in Bad Juju where they can auction them off (this will include printers, IPs, Desura, stuff that is listed in Doc 16). Proceeds from the auctions will be pay back first to the Secured Creditors and very little if none would go to the Unsecured Creditors. After all the auctions and stuff is done then the BK case would get discharged and debts are wiped out. This is from my personal experience on what happened on these cases in the past.

Information was pulled from PACER which the documents are public information however the service to pull up the documents isn't (PACER is a service).

Ok to share documents to others if you guys choose to.