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DarthTerro: New week, new sjw attack on sanity in action. Some crazy feminist joke-of-a-woman accused Chris Avellone in harassment. Paradox Interactive immediately stated that they will remove all related to him content from the VtMB2. Genial game developer's life will be ruined because of some stupid pick up failure that took place like 10 years ago. I've had high hopes on this game in spite of all grim signs on how woke it may end up, up until now. Not any more. Gonna refund my day one Blood Mood Edition :'(
Never heard of this till your post. Looked into it. Avallone does not deny and is in apology mode. Does not sound like "some crazy feminist joke-of-a-women". Recommend that you read his twitter stream about this.
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He is apologizing for no good reason. It's not like he raped that woman. Man, the US gone full crazy with all this sjw/feminist/guilty-complex bs. Grow some balls already!
Post edited June 24, 2020 by DarthTerro
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DarthTerro: He is apologizing for no good reason. It's not like he raped that woman. Man, the US gone full crazy with all this sjw/feminist/guilty-complex bs. Grow some balls already!
I think it is up to him to decide if he has something to apologize for. You guys are going to say what you are going to say. So go ahead, on.
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squid830: Speaking about whining and SJWs, there's a new BL2 video out. Not much (or any) gameplay, but they've brought Damsel back for this.

https://youtu.be/ge2sztE3mHM

On the plus side, they brought back the original voice actor, so that's good. Damsel may have been a minor character, but I'll always remember how she kept calling me "fucking Cammy" every time I walked near her.

However, for some strange reason, Damsel is now much, much uglier.

Which doesn't bode well for the game, or any of the other characters in it.

Hopefully they don't bring back any other iconic characters from the first one, unless they somehow manage to do it without butchering them entirely.

Preferably they should just fix it. And not go so hard-core on the edginess that everyone becomes butt-ugly.
She looks much better in the released screenshot. It's the lightning making her look ugly in the video. You can make anyone look like that if you place a light source directly above them. There's a Seinfeld episode about it.

https://cdn.gamer-network.net/2020/usgamer/Vampire-the-Masquerade-Bloodlines-2-Press-Screen-Damsel-061320.jpg/EG11/thumbnail/1920x1080/format/jpg/quality/65/bloodlines-2-vampire-damsel-reveal.jpg
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squid830: Speaking about whining and SJWs, there's a new BL2 video out. Not much (or any) gameplay, but they've brought Damsel back for this.

https://youtu.be/ge2sztE3mHM

On the plus side, they brought back the original voice actor, so that's good. Damsel may have been a minor character, but I'll always remember how she kept calling me "fucking Cammy" every time I walked near her.

However, for some strange reason, Damsel is now much, much uglier.

Which doesn't bode well for the game, or any of the other characters in it.

Hopefully they don't bring back any other iconic characters from the first one, unless they somehow manage to do it without butchering them entirely.

Preferably they should just fix it. And not go so hard-core on the edginess that everyone becomes butt-ugly.
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ghat: She looks much better in the released screenshot. It's the lightning making her look ugly in the video. You can make anyone look like that if you place a light source directly above them. There's a Seinfeld episode about it.

https://cdn.gamer-network.net/2020/usgamer/Vampire-the-Masquerade-Bloodlines-2-Press-Screen-Damsel-061320.jpg/EG11/thumbnail/1920x1080/format/jpg/quality/65/bloodlines-2-vampire-damsel-reveal.jpg
That was a great Seinfeld episode. And she doesn't look as amazingly awful in the screenshot you posted above, I'll give you that. So I guess it's more a case of these guys possibly rushing through the editing process for their promo videos... Which sort of matches up with some of their earlier efforts (personally I didn't hate any of the earlier promos, but I know some people thought they looked pretty crap).

Hopefully all stuff that will get fixed before release.

That said, it's not like I'll be playing this game specifically for the graphics.
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DarthTerro: He is apologizing for no good reason. It's not like he raped that woman. Man, the US gone full crazy with all this sjw/feminist/guilty-complex bs. Grow some balls already!
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alcaray: I think it is up to him to decide if he has something to apologize for. You guys are going to say what you are going to say. So go ahead, on.
The bits of Twitter I spied seemed like the chick in question is heavily implying she was "abused" or something. If that is true then Avellone's a douche - but also if that were true, she should be doing this through the justice system and not venting about it on Twitter.

He probably just got with her and then never called her or something? OK so she was totally wasted at the time - in which case he's a creepy AF douche for taking advantage of her. However she's not entirely blameless in this either from the sounds of things, and is blowing this out of proportion.

More importantly, moronic companies are going to remove his work from their games, potentially making those games crappier. So this selfish cow has potentially screwed over millions of gamers (or rather, the moronic games companies did. Firing him is one thing - but ditching the stuff he has already done, which is seriously being considered - who could be that stupid?).
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alcaray: I think it is up to him to decide if he has something to apologize for. You guys are going to say what you are going to say. So go ahead, on.
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squid830: The bits of Twitter I spied seemed like the chick in question is heavily implying she was "abused" or something. If that is true then Avellone's a douche - but also if that were true, she should be doing this through the justice system and not venting about it on Twitter.

He probably just got with her and then never called her or something? OK so she was totally wasted at the time - in which case he's a creepy AF douche for taking advantage of her. However she's not entirely blameless in this either from the sounds of things, and is blowing this out of proportion.

More importantly, moronic companies are going to remove his work from their games, potentially making those games crappier. So this selfish cow has potentially screwed over millions of gamers (or rather, the moronic games companies did. Firing him is one thing - but ditching the stuff he has already done, which is seriously being considered - who could be that stupid?).
Wasn't there a conversation with "Susan" (why I can remember that and not her vampiric name is anyone's guess - the obnoxious strip club owner) that touched on that if you chose that answer? She was describing the book about vampires that the hotel manager/client was writing. She asks, "sound like anything you know?" and one of the answers is something like, "game publishers?". Sorry, my memories are losing more and more details as time progresses.
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squid830: The bits of Twitter I spied seemed like the chick in question is heavily implying she was "abused" or something. If that is true then Avellone's a douche - but also if that were true, she should be doing this through the justice system and not venting about it on Twitter.

He probably just got with her and then never called her or something? OK so she was totally wasted at the time - in which case he's a creepy AF douche for taking advantage of her. However she's not entirely blameless in this either from the sounds of things, and is blowing this out of proportion.

More importantly, moronic companies are going to remove his work from their games, potentially making those games crappier. So this selfish cow has potentially screwed over millions of gamers (or rather, the moronic games companies did. Firing him is one thing - but ditching the stuff he has already done, which is seriously being considered - who could be that stupid?).
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lordhoff: Wasn't there a conversation with "Susan" (why I can remember that and not her vampiric name is anyone's guess - the obnoxious strip club owner) that touched on that if you chose that answer? She was describing the book about vampires that the hotel manager/client was writing. She asks, "sound like anything you know?" and one of the answers is something like, "game publishers?". Sorry, my memories are losing more and more details as time progresses.
You mean VV? I wouldn't call her "obnoxious", just totally full of herself. And she has this bizarre aversion to killing humans. However, both of those things are in-character for a Toreador who runs a strip club.

I don't recall that particular line, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's in there. I often play a Malk, so I usually take the option to freak her out with my Malkavian insight, which probably precludes those other responses (that, and the Malkavian version of that question, if a Malkavian version of it even exists, would be worded differently).
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lordhoff: Wasn't there a conversation with "Susan" (why I can remember that and not her vampiric name is anyone's guess - the obnoxious strip club owner) that touched on that if you chose that answer? She was describing the book about vampires that the hotel manager/client was writing. She asks, "sound like anything you know?" and one of the answers is something like, "game publishers?". Sorry, my memories are losing more and more details as time progresses.
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squid830: You mean VV? I wouldn't call her "obnoxious", just totally full of herself. And she has this bizarre aversion to killing humans. However, both of those things are in-character for a Toreador who runs a strip club.

I don't recall that particular line, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's in there. I often play a Malk, so I usually take the option to freak her out with my Malkavian insight, which probably precludes those other responses (that, and the Malkavian version of that question, if a Malkavian version of it even exists, would be worded differently).
Yeah, VV Never been a fan of hers - just rubs me the wrong way. I think you can get into her head and still get her two tasks - she just makes he terrible reward more terrible. :) All the choices save one were rather funny as I recall: one pertaining to then President Bush, the one I mentioned, and I think the third referred to game companies.
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squid830: You mean VV? I wouldn't call her "obnoxious", just totally full of herself. And she has this bizarre aversion to killing humans. However, both of those things are in-character for a Toreador who runs a strip club.

I don't recall that particular line, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's in there. I often play a Malk, so I usually take the option to freak her out with my Malkavian insight, which probably precludes those other responses (that, and the Malkavian version of that question, if a Malkavian version of it even exists, would be worded differently).
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lordhoff: Yeah, VV Never been a fan of hers - just rubs me the wrong way. I think you can get into her head and still get her two tasks - she just makes he terrible reward more terrible. :) All the choices save one were rather funny as I recall: one pertaining to then President Bush, the one I mentioned, and I think the third referred to game companies.
Yeah I always end up doing both her tasks for that sweet XP, but often insult her just enough for her not to give me the extra reward. So I miss out on the two crappy poems she sends later on...

She does kind of annoy me a bit as well - like those hot chicks who pretend to be really concerned for homeless people but in reality don't give a crap and just put on the act so people don't realise they're actually total bitches. VV doesn't ever seem to come out as a total bitch and always seems really emotional, but it still seems really fake which is probably even more annoying.

IMO another example of a well-done character in this great game. There aren't many games where many years later I recall not just snippets of conversation, but actual attitudes of the character, or attitudes I had towards them - especially when my attitude towards them is something other than utter contempt due to how bland, boring and/or stupid they are (unfortunately most NPCs fall into that category).
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alcaray: I think it is up to him to decide if he has something to apologize for. You guys are going to say what you are going to say. So go ahead, on.
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squid830: The bits of Twitter I spied seemed like the chick in question is heavily implying she was "abused" or something. If that is true then Avellone's a douche - but also if that were true, she should be doing this through the justice system and not venting about it on Twitter.

He probably just got with her and then never called her or something? OK so she was totally wasted at the time - in which case he's a creepy AF douche for taking advantage of her. However she's not entirely blameless in this either from the sounds of things, and is blowing this out of proportion.

More importantly, moronic companies are going to remove his work from their games, potentially making those games crappier. So this selfish cow has potentially screwed over millions of gamers (or rather, the moronic games companies did. Firing him is one thing - but ditching the stuff he has already done, which is seriously being considered - who could be that stupid?).
No, she wasn't abused.
https://www.businessinsider.com/chris-avellone-video-game-designer-accused-sexual-assault-karissa-2020-6

"Karissa initially said in public Twitter posts and in subsequent direct messages with Business Insider that Avellone kept buying her drinks at a convention she was attending in 2012 — eventually, she got "blackout drunk".

Avellone then forcibly kissed her, and tried to put his hand down her pants, she said."

What a joke. Does she understand that "blackout drunk" means? It f*cking means that you lose your memories of everything that happened. It doesn't seem even close to a "sexual assault", just usual drunk flirting what happens all the time in clubs.

"She said that Avellone forcibly kissed her — "he did not ask, just grabbed my face and went for it" — outside her hotel room. "
What a retardation. This is how a kiss happens in 99% cases, only retards "ask" for it. Usually you go for a kiss and if a girl doesn't want it she dodges you.

"Avellone then "took me down to the floor [outside the hotel room] at some point while he was making out with me, his back was against the wall and he pulled my back up against him," she told Business Insider. "I remember he had been touching me; when he moved one of his hands from my chest down to undo my pants and slip that hand down into them, that's when I stopped him."

Doesn't seem like she resisted at all and actually responed to his advances until her tried to get in her pants. This world is nuts. Just usual drunk hookup attempt is now considered as sexual assault, what a joke.

"She said she woke up with "no recollection" of what happened — but through her own memories, talking to her two friends, and conversations with Avellone himself, she pieced together the events."

Yeah, she magically remembered everything, even events that happened when they were alone. So much about being "blackout drunk". She ruined a person's life just because she learned that a loser who tried to get in her pants years ago is a famous person. According to feminists and SJWs if two equally drunk people of the opposite sex have sex then it is rape committed by man, so much about equality.
Post edited September 02, 2020 by The18CmOfGreatness
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The18CmOfGreatness:
If you really believe all the things you said here, then you need to learn better and be more careful . You may be headed for jail, otherwise.
Looks like GOG does not allow developers to moderate forums, and that's the only reason why people can discuss political matters here freely.

I was absolutely baffled by many dozens of closed threads and banned users on Bloodlines steam forum. Very rarely you can see steam forum moderated so damn strictly. Just take a look at Fallout4 forum for example, you literally need to spam swearing to get banned. While on Bloodlines steam forum not agreeing with developers decisions and/or world-view is more than enough for a punishment and thread lockdown.
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squid830: The bits of Twitter I spied seemed like the chick in question is heavily implying she was "abused" or something. If that is true then Avellone's a douche - but also if that were true, she should be doing this through the justice system and not venting about it on Twitter.

He probably just got with her and then never called her or something? OK so she was totally wasted at the time - in which case he's a creepy AF douche for taking advantage of her. However she's not entirely blameless in this either from the sounds of things, and is blowing this out of proportion.

More importantly, moronic companies are going to remove his work from their games, potentially making those games crappier. So this selfish cow has potentially screwed over millions of gamers (or rather, the moronic games companies did. Firing him is one thing - but ditching the stuff he has already done, which is seriously being considered - who could be that stupid?).
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The18CmOfGreatness: No, she wasn't abused.
https://www.businessinsider.com/chris-avellone-video-game-designer-accused-sexual-assault-karissa-2020-6

"Karissa initially said in public Twitter posts and in subsequent direct messages with Business Insider that Avellone kept buying her drinks at a convention she was attending in 2012 — eventually, she got "blackout drunk".

Avellone then forcibly kissed her, and tried to put his hand down her pants, she said."

What a joke. Does she understand that "blackout drunk" means? It f*cking means that you lose your memories of everything that happened. It doesn't seem even close to a "sexual assault", just usual drunk flirting what happens all the time in clubs.

"She said that Avellone forcibly kissed her — "he did not ask, just grabbed my face and went for it" — outside her hotel room. "
What a retardation. This is how a kiss happens in 99% cases, only retards "ask" for it. Usually you go for a kiss and if a girl doesn't want it she dodges you.

"Avellone then "took me down to the floor [outside the hotel room] at some point while he was making out with me, his back was against the wall and he pulled my back up against him," she told Business Insider. "I remember he had been touching me; when he moved one of his hands from my chest down to undo my pants and slip that hand down into them, that's when I stopped him."

Doesn't seem like she resisted at all and actually responed to his advances until her tried to get in her pants. This world is nuts. Just usual drunk hookup attempt is now considered as sexual assault, what a joke.

"She said she woke up with "no recollection" of what happened — but through her own memories, talking to her two friends, and conversations with Avellone himself, she pieced together the events."

Yeah, she magically remembered everything, even events that happened when they were alone. So much about being "blackout drunk". She ruined a person's life just because she learned that a loser who tried to get in her pants years ago is a famous person. According to feminists and SJWs if two equally drunk people of the opposite sex have sex then it is rape committed by man, so much about equality.
I don't usually come to this forums to participate in flame wars and other drama, but seriously, your comment disgust me so much that I can't even compare it to any other revolting thing I can think of.

Kissing without consent "may" go well; maybe it doesn't, and that's assault. And yes, usual drunk hookups are commonly assault. I told you this with the vain hope that you don't abuse anyone, more out of fear for commiting a crime than any common sense or decency on your part..
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The18CmOfGreatness: No, she wasn't abused.
https://www.businessinsider.com/chris-avellone-video-game-designer-accused-sexual-assault-karissa-2020-6

"Karissa initially said in public Twitter posts and in subsequent direct messages with Business Insider that Avellone kept buying her drinks at a convention she was attending in 2012 — eventually, she got "blackout drunk".

Avellone then forcibly kissed her, and tried to put his hand down her pants, she said."

What a joke. Does she understand that "blackout drunk" means? It f*cking means that you lose your memories of everything that happened. It doesn't seem even close to a "sexual assault", just usual drunk flirting what happens all the time in clubs.

"She said that Avellone forcibly kissed her — "he did not ask, just grabbed my face and went for it" — outside her hotel room. "
What a retardation. This is how a kiss happens in 99% cases, only retards "ask" for it. Usually you go for a kiss and if a girl doesn't want it she dodges you.

"Avellone then "took me down to the floor [outside the hotel room] at some point while he was making out with me, his back was against the wall and he pulled my back up against him," she told Business Insider. "I remember he had been touching me; when he moved one of his hands from my chest down to undo my pants and slip that hand down into them, that's when I stopped him."

Doesn't seem like she resisted at all and actually responed to his advances until her tried to get in her pants. This world is nuts. Just usual drunk hookup attempt is now considered as sexual assault, what a joke.

"She said she woke up with "no recollection" of what happened — but through her own memories, talking to her two friends, and conversations with Avellone himself, she pieced together the events."

Yeah, she magically remembered everything, even events that happened when they were alone. So much about being "blackout drunk". She ruined a person's life just because she learned that a loser who tried to get in her pants years ago is a famous person. According to feminists and SJWs if two equally drunk people of the opposite sex have sex then it is rape committed by man, so much about equality.
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Klint: I don't usually come to this forums to participate in flame wars and other drama, but seriously, your comment disgust me so much that I can't even compare it to any other revolting thing I can think of.

Kissing without consent "may" go well; maybe it doesn't, and that's assault. And yes, usual drunk hookups are commonly assault. I told you this with the vain hope that you don't abuse anyone, more out of fear for commiting a crime than any common sense or decency on your part..
True but, was it without consent? She can't remember because she drank too much free alcohol. he bought it but it is still her responsibility as she drank them willingly. Many a time a person, usually a woman, will insist thst there is no way she would have consented but witnesses (none, this time, I think, though) say otherwise. Drunkenness lowers inhibitions. Now, if he wasn't as drunk and was taking advantage of her that's a mitigating circumstance. It's why these things need to go to court - you just can't believe either party. Nobody should be fired on allegations.
Post edited September 05, 2020 by lordhoff