Dude! There is no point in arguing with alcaray. What he says is just complete nonsense. Not only he equates people who roleplay as Nazis to Nazis, he also says that simply wanting to play, means wanting a "safe space". Not to mention, that he completely ignores initial statement that VtM is an edgy and horror, so it's supposed to be offensive and uncomfortable.

I think that anyone who idolized a Nazi would be laughed off the table by the others. There are a fringe that consider themselves Nazis but, IMO, they are classic idiots that can be safely ignored. What I'm saying is, a person would role play a Nazi to be an extra evil vampire. It's just an easy way to show others right away that you are evil - everyone imediately understands it and it's the reason Nazi imagery (and associating people with Hitler) is so over used. My tendancy these days is to call people doing what I consider evil "Stalin". I guess that means I'm offending the gulag survivers now.

Yeah that's pretty much what I was trying to say: most people who roleplay Nazis would be roleplaying evil people. The same goes (or should go) for Stalin-like types as well.

Anti-SJW crying has resulted in my pre-ordering this game. I swear, anti-SJWs are a million times more obnoxious than the SJWs they constantly whine about.

My hype died with the trailer we saw from the Xbox series X first look event, i thought it was some new psychopath game or something and the music just ruined the trailer for me besides the weird atmosphere.

I had it pre ordered on a key site but cancelled after the first look event it really did not look great to me the trailer gfx was not great and the overall vibe i got from the trailer was nothing like Vampire the Masquerade bloodlines, so this sequel is a pass for me until i see reviews come in if it actually has the vibe of the first game.

Yeah, I think that was the point of this thread from the get go: if they preach a fringe idea to a majority in the game (which is different then including it), then the game will not sell well. I'll wait and see as I always do - I never pre-order games. If it's preachy, I won't buy it.

I don't mind if one particular path is preachy or whatever. Actually I'd expect at least one path to be more woke, at least in appearance - I'd expect that ultimately all paths you take would end up with you being manipulated by some asshole. That's one of the core tenets of the World of Darkness from my POV - any ideals are ultimately still wrapped in power games, or at least they're hiding underneath.

I'd expect the "paths" to be more fleshed out than the previous game, mainly due to your character actually choosing a clan as part of the plot.

I'd also expect tons of discrimination against the PC (from other vamps) due to being a thin-blood. I just hope they don't try to equate this too hard to discrimination in the real world or something.

They already mentioned something about representing the tech side of Seattle, contrasting with... something? That shouldn't be hard to not stuff up - I can easily see vamps abusing idiots using technology to harvest data for example (the Nosferatu are practically hackers already, irrespective of any further tech narrative).

I doubt they'd go full retard. That would require Tzimisce fleshcrafters using their skills to change their gender or something...

Cry more?

Oh and also note, I didn't say they're the same. I said the anti-SJWs are worse, get it right please. I see them whine about nothing WAY more often.

Speaking about whining and SJWs, there's a new BL2 video out. Not much (or any) gameplay, but they've brought Damsel back for this.

https://youtu.be/ge2sztE3mHM

On the plus side, they brought back the original voice actor, so that's good. Damsel may have been a minor character, but I'll always remember how she kept calling me "fucking Cammy" every time I walked near her.

However, for some strange reason, Damsel is now much, much uglier.

Which doesn't bode well for the game, or any of the other characters in it.

Hopefully they don't bring back any other iconic characters from the first one, unless they somehow manage to do it without butchering them entirely.

Preferably they should just fix it. And not go so hard-core on the edginess that everyone becomes butt-ugly.

Looks like she's not getting enough blood; aged quite a bit and now uses pancake makeup. They never look the same though - usually a different set of artists with their own ideas of "improvements" and better modern graphics. I agree, though - they should be more faithful to the original.

Yeah I get new graphics means more detail and all that, and I don't particularly mind things changing a bit as graphics improve, since it's now possible to add more detail - but that look is really jarring. It's like she couldn't decide between going goth or going left-wing protester, so did a bit of both - and it doesn't look right.

Is it the same voice actress, only older? It sounded like that to me. If so, it might seem odd for her voice to be that old on a model that young looking.

Good point.

New week, new sjw attack on sanity in action. Some crazy feminist joke-of-a-woman accused Chris Avellone in harassment. Paradox Interactive immediately stated that they will remove all related to him content from the VtMB2. Genial game developer's life will be ruined because of some stupid pick up failure that took place like 10 years ago. I've had high hopes on this game in spite of all grim signs on how woke it may end up, up until now. Not any more. Gonna refund my day one Blood Mood Edition :'(