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alcaray: $10? Or what are you talking about? You realize that this thread is about VTMB2, right?
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lubwak: No, I mean 4$, as I have written. And a company cannot go broke even when one product doesn't sell, when the other ones it owns sell well and, like here, are overpriced. Those guys are preying on Troika's achievements, so my comment IS relevant, I'd argue.
10$ is what they are charging now, and seems to be what you are complaining about. I sought to verify that. Hence, my question. In case your answer is yes, then I disagree. $10 is not an example of runaway capitalism. It is a reasonable price for a great game, in my opinion.

And again, I don't see why you didn't open a new topic if you wanted to talk about this. This thread is a poisonous mess of hyperbolic bullshit (on both sides, I think). It's a crying shame that people keep bringing it back.
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lubwak: No, I mean 4$, as I have written. And a company cannot go broke even when one product doesn't sell, when the other ones it owns sell well and, like here, are overpriced. Those guys are preying on Troika's achievements, so my comment IS relevant, I'd argue.
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alcaray: 10$ is what they are charging now, and seems to be what you are complaining about. I sought to verify that. Hence, my question. In case your answer is yes, then I disagree. $10 is not an example of runaway capitalism. It is a reasonable price for a great game, in my opinion.

And again, I don't see why you didn't open a new topic if you wanted to talk about this. This thread is a poisonous mess of hyperbolic bullshit (on both sides, I think). It's a crying shame that people keep bringing it back.
I did check it too now to provide you with precise information and ou could get it for not even 4, but 3 bucks. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fW_hBX_4Ldej4YDIpaSu1357CH3-o0rLUwnXWKLm_bE/edit#gid=508716503

Plus, you do not understand. If the profits were going to the actual creator, Troika, then I would not complain. the game is great and the company would fully deserve the profit. However, the company got bankrupt just because Bloodlines was unfinished and did not sell well initially. The current price is a result of VtM: Bloodlines 2 announcement made by company UNRELATED to the original creators and clearly not competent to make a follow-up, inserting all of that ideological bs and probably not able to finish the product either. Those people are making profit on Troika's work, which they in no way deserve, cashing in even more thatn they would otherwise do after thr price spike on what was done right and corrupting the franchise at the same time.
Good news (partially): our beloved Chris Avellone has his name cleared in the lawsuit, and the liars are forced to retract all their wild accusations about him.

What's not good is that the vile and ungrounded lies about him by the accusers or by the media were unpunished in the end. The insumountable damage to his reputation and professional standing probably will never be repaired. It's evidenced yet again that trying to destroy an innocent's life and career is not a crime if it's done within the "cancel culture", by toxic sjw activists or by the sheep who are arbitrarily sicced on others by the woke media.

I wonder if certain full of self-righteousness people in this thread will ever apologize for their behavior and learn a thing or two for the future.
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Dankvart: ...
Just a small point: Winning or losing a civil lawsuit does not prove innocence or guilt.
I don't know if this has been said yet, but...alcaray:

thank you for being the voice of sanity around here.

The world (including the gaming world) needs a lot more people like you.
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Dankvart: ...
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alcaray: Just a small point: Winning or losing a civil lawsuit does not prove innocence or guilt.
No, but just looking at the evidence made it clear that the accusations were wrong and it is nice to see that even in these woke times this was acknowledged in the end!
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wesp5: ...
In the US it means that after the Plaintiff attempted to show evidence of harm and of intent, the jury of 12 peers was not sufficiently convinced. (jury trials can be waived, where the judge performs the jury part. I don't know enough about this trial to know for certain that there was a jury)

And that is all it means.
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Dankvart: Good news (partially): our beloved Chris Avellone has his name cleared in the lawsuit, and the liars are forced to retract all their wild accusations about him.

What's not good is that the vile and ungrounded lies about him by the accusers or by the media were unpunished in the end. The insumountable damage to his reputation and professional standing probably will never be repaired. It's evidenced yet again that trying to destroy an innocent's life and career is not a crime if it's done within the "cancel culture", by toxic sjw activists or by the sheep who are arbitrarily sicced on others by the woke media.

I wonder if certain full of self-righteousness people in this thread will ever apologize for their behavior and learn a thing or two for the future.
They won't.

The concept of SJW culture was created by Corporate Think Tanks to weaponize terrible personality traits for political agendas. Most idiots that are all about equality are spewing Corporate Agendas without even knowing about it. This is how Bolsheviks have historically operated and the reason none of us were taught about it in school. Western society has been infiltrated, and it started in colleges in the 60s. That type of behavior is what got Hitler elected, which is why in school they focus you on Hitler bad instead of the behavior that got him elected.

It works every. single. time.
Post edited April 18, 2023 by Flesh420.613
That's just a phrase conservatives use to console themselves as the world get more accepting and decent.
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jamezilla1986: That's just a phrase conservatives use to console themselves as the world get more accepting and decent.
Tell that to Bud Light.
Why yes, thats what woke people have been doing for a while now.

Everyone but them is "rightwing".

Including, but especially including, the actual traditional leftwingers.

In actual fact woke people are more rightwing than many rightwingers.

The oppose free speech.

They support censorship.

They want to cancel everyone they dont like.

They are racist against white people.

They oppose empathy with victims.

Etc.

In one sentence, woke people have taken every leftwing issue that ever was and turned it into a parody of itself, like instead of being against racism they are actually racist against white people, and insteadf of supporting women rights they actually want to terrorize men (#metoo, believe the woman no matter what) EXCEPT the core conflict of leftwing politics, the conflict between the rich and the workers, THEY DONT EVER MENTION THAT.

They never talk about that one, since all they really want to do is to distract from exactly *that* conflict.

Woke people want to stabilize the current system and prevent its reform, thus making sure they can keep their personal priviledges. Thats their actual goal.

Woke people arent progressive or leftwing at all. They just want to appear to be so.
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Dankvart: Good news (partially): our beloved Chris Avellone has his name cleared in the lawsuit, and the liars are forced to retract all their wild accusations about him.

What's not good is that the vile and ungrounded lies about him by the accusers or by the media were unpunished in the end. The insumountable damage to his reputation and professional standing probably will never be repaired. It's evidenced yet again that trying to destroy an innocent's life and career is not a crime if it's done within the "cancel culture", by toxic sjw activists or by the sheep who are arbitrarily sicced on others by the woke media.

I wonder if certain full of self-righteousness people in this thread will ever apologize for their behavior and learn a thing or two for the future.
Wait I thought he got a 7-figure payout from the accusers? Or did they scheme out of this somehow?

Honestly not too surprised given that it's doubtful they could actually pay it...