Posted March 25, 2020

UnrelatedComa
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jkhristian
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Registered: Dec 2008
From United States
Posted April 14, 2020
I don't know where you guys have been. VTM has always been topical and examined political extremes, from fascism on the right, to communism on the left, and everything in between. It has always examined the things going on in society with no apologies. If this offends you, you haven't been paying attention and maybe you should be playing a safer game that doesn't challenge your beliefs or offend your delicate sensibilities. If World of Darkness wasn't offensive, I would want my money back. It has always challenged me and shown me new ideas I both agree and disagree with. I have been playing in this world since the early 90's and I wouldn't have it any other way. Snowflakes need not apply, no matter what your politics are.
Post edited April 14, 2020 by jkhristian

LootHunter
Political non-Euclidean
Registered: Dec 2013
From Russian Federation
Posted April 14, 2020


squid830
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Registered: Jul 2009
From Australia
Posted April 18, 2020



lordhoff
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Posted April 19, 2020



squid830
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Registered: Jul 2009
From Australia
Posted April 19, 2020


What I really don't understand is why they even mention crap like what stuff to restrict for roleplaying purposes. We are, after all, dealing with an RPG that involves undead monsters who prey on humans for sustenance, some of whom have been un-alive for centuries. Most vampires, even the "nice" ones on the side of the Camarilla, consider humans as nothing more than food - ie they think they're superior, and think nothing of killing humans (or worse, e.g. fleshcrafting). So why they felt the need to even mention some kind of bizarre limits on politics of all things is baffling to say the least.

LootHunter
Political non-Euclidean
Registered: Dec 2013
From Russian Federation
Posted April 19, 2020
The same reason why animators draw same-sex couple kiss in the background in Disney feature film. Or writers add a speech about "social justice" in the script, even if it's out of character for a person who they are writing for. They are attention seeking activists and care only about being praised for their agenda. They don't care about the story, worldbuiding or even common sense.
Post edited April 19, 2020 by LootHunter

alcaray
dingy hippy
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States
Posted April 19, 2020
Obviously, because there were one or more unfortunate incidents during the evolution of the game. I'll bet you that the first edition of the rules had no such warnings.

squid830
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Registered: Jul 2009
From Australia
Posted April 21, 2020


Vampires are generally considered manifestations of evil, so far as I'm concerned anything's fair game. Even grabbing the occasional baby and sucking it dry for a snack would be totally fine and in context (maybe less so as far as the Masquerade is concerned, but if you're roleplaying a Sabbat then that's less of a concern). So how someone can get offended by extreme right-wing politics in this environment is bizarre, considering Nazis didn't snack on babies (though they did murder a bunch of them).
Post edited April 21, 2020 by squid830

LootHunter
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Registered: Dec 2013
From Russian Federation
Posted April 21, 2020


Honestly, all those claims that roleplaying Nazis (or other extreme ideology) is 'problematic' is no different from Christians being concerned that DnD demonology can push people into Satanism. And to be fair, I can understand both concerns and desire to make some game more (family) friendly. But what angers me is that kind of duality, when people say that the game should be offensive and edgy, but when it offends them suddenly such edginess becomes wrong.
Post edited April 21, 2020 by LootHunter

squid830
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Posted April 21, 2020

Honestly, all those claims that roleplaying Nazis (or other extreme ideology) is 'problematic' is no different from Christians being concerned that DnD demonology can push people into Satanism. And to be fair, I can understand both concerns and desire to make some game more (family) friendly. But what angers me is that kind of duality, when people say that the game should be offensive and edgy, but when it offends them suddenly such edginess becomes wrong.
If the game is supposed to have a more family-friendly nature then this stuff could be understandable (although the Christian/demonology thing is definitely way too stupid to be taken seriously at any level). But if a game features undead creatures who can potentially murder the innocent on a whim (or for food), then this kind of bizarre moralising shouldn't be in there.
It's just as stupid as some governments banning certain games due to drug use, but having no problems with random violence and murder (e.g. Australia still does this, though not as badly as it used to).

alcaray
dingy hippy
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States
Posted April 21, 2020
low rated
Obviously, this company (and any other merchant) wants to sell as many units to as wide an audience as they can. Paying attention to what the community says and to complaints is important if you want to be successful. No doubt they listen to you folks as well, when you scream at them, and modify their speech accordingly. On the one hand it is really hard to make everybody happy. On the other hand it's kind of a no-brainer when you consider the request to make a safe place for Nazis in your games.

lordhoff
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Registered: Feb 2010
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Posted April 22, 2020


alcaray
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squid830
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Registered: Jul 2009
From Australia
Posted April 22, 2020



Besides, they could always make the Nazis the bad guys - like in many other media over the years. No one seems to complain in that case, and it would make sense that Nazi vampires would be in the Sabbat anyway, if they did exist in this Universe.
Post edited April 22, 2020 by squid830