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CatintheHeat: snip
My mistake then!
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awalterj: ...
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TStael: Wenn Sie wollen, vielleicht... Hoch Deutsch ist auch einer dialekt, aber den beste werstanden in der Welt. Correct me pray! ;-)

I should point out that my friend actually has asked the colleagues to speak in generic German - but gets slower and louder village dialect repeated back. This I think can be taken as a form of bullying, as everyone in CH shall know high German.
I don't know your Chinese friend or the Swiss coworkers she works with but from the way you describe it, it does sound like they're inconsiderate and stubborn. This can and does happen anywhere.
Here's what I would do: If this just happens at work and makes work difficult in any way shape or form and the magic and crucial word ("please") doesn't work, I would repeat my request, politely yet . If it still doesn't work, I would calmly and without a threatening tone in my voice declare that this matter shall be resolved by the superiors (manager, boss). What I certainly wouldn't do is go complain about this to anyone who isn't involved and can't do anything about it because that doesn't help anyone.

But to revert to the original topic of your first post, may I ask what prompted you to say "I am disliked for being a Finn. Per where I am."
This statement puzzles me completely.
While Swiss people hardly commit any hate crimes at all, they still are human beings and since humans are territorial animals, Swiss people can be and often are as xenophobic as anyone else on the planet. However, I've never once heard a Swiss person say anything bad about Finnish people.
Swiss people traditionally enjoy complaining about people from Kosovo, Turkey, Serbia, Germany, Morocco, Tunisia etc but you hardly ever hear them complain about people from Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Canada, Thailand, New Zealand, Australia.
Even in my little backwards hometown where people are so conscious of outsiders that inhabitants from the upper part of the village discriminate upon people from the lower part of the same village (seriously, I'm not kidding!), I've never heard anyone complain about Finnish people. And it's not just because Fins only come here as paying ski tourists. Indians & Chinese come as paying tourists as well and they aren't particularly liked (at least one hotel even banned Indian tourists altogether), so money doesn't appear to be a major factor. Mostly, it's numbers and perceived (or imagined) cultural differences.

The above list of who is liked and who not so much can be explained by various factors, demographic numbers being a major one. It's very difficult for any demographic group to become unpopular if the number of said group is low. And since Finnish people are very rare in Switzerland, I haven't observed any targeted xenophobia being directed towards them, though it might very well exist in certain isolated pockets. Which is why I would like to hear more about this. Forgive me for my curiosity but I want to know where in this country Finns are being disliked simply for being Finns. Even the "Blick" newspaper who just loves to highlight every criminal's nationality when anything happens hasn't ever placed Finns on the front page in a bad way.**

**not to the best of my knowledge, anyway
Post edited May 18, 2014 by awalterj
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TStael: Sorry to seem a little rude by our Scandinavian standard, especially after the best Eurovision stage ever, wow, but: you Danes really seem to wish to affiliate yourselves rather with the anglo-saxons as opposed to the Scandinavians.

To me, pan-Scadinavnian mobility predecessing EU-mobility was a matter of a greater principle, and I was rather disappointed when Denmark positioned itself as a victim of immigration, as opposed to the benefactor. After all, Helle probably financed her Guggis by Europarlament, after all. :-p
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Wishbone: I must confess, I have no idea what you're talking about. Feel free to elaborate though.
As to aspiring to put in place border controls that would be in contrast to the free circulation principle of the Common Market.

I trust you must have seen the controversy over the rap from the Eurocrats in Danish media, at the time, surely?

Another point is the desire to restrict the access to the social security by the "less desirables" - including potentially the Swedish, the Norwegian, the Icelandic cum the Finnish social "bums". What is the likelihood on weighted average, really? And if any of us was in a real trouble, should you like us to suffer, actually?

I do not mind such hard attitudes, when countries might think they can afford it, and logically not wish much solidarity in return: but then surely - why bother about hanging on into something like the EU?
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TStael: ... or looked down upon, hated, persecuted, even?

I am disliked for being a Finn. Per where I am. And this is not Sweden, and the Forest Finns (metsäsuomalaiset) topic, eh! ;-)

What about you?

Have you ever felt it yourself, or do you see hard attitudes towards your fellow men?
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Johnmourby: Yes I know the feeling. I have Asperger's Syndrome and while obviously that isn't a visible difference some people just seem to be able to smell that you're not normal, I think it's behavioural ticks that I wouldn't notice that alert some people. Compared to most I've had a good ride so far. But I know what it's like to get spat on for being different.
Yes, and no - I think. At least you are alive, and this is mighty fine and just try to enjoy it, really, eh! And if you wish to PM about how to be happy, do do - but I am sorry to say it is about being superficially charming and hopping around, or about loyalty.

I loved my aunt most deeply, but as a skitso (s�orry for this spelling but my better browsers just crashed fatally), her unpredictability was too much to handle, as to keeping up the intimacy proper. Yet I still feel guilt about this, to this day.

I say: anyone sticking to persons whose behaviour cannot be predicted, hats off and be well indeed.

And to those who might behave so by a less favorable hand of Providence: it is really hard , trust me, as humans are conditioned to an interaction process that is hard-wired to "what you give, relates to what get."

If it is of any consolation, you could be despised for a much more banal things: colour of skin, extreme poverty, your nationality, your language.

Edit. Spelling.
Post edited May 19, 2014 by TStael
I get a lot of hate from Unix users simply because I use Windows and code in C# *sniff*

I think they're just jealous. :p
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henchwench82: Yeah, there are plenty of people who dislike me just on principle, who have never even met me personally. I don't even know where to start, so here's the short list! I'm a Catholic living in a largely anti-Catholic area; married to a Wiccan, who has Asperger's. We have more than 2 children (which MUST mean we don't care about overpopulation, or are on welfare and trying to bilk the system, or both), and one of them has autism (high functioning). If you are a reasonable person, you might wonder what there is to hate about that last one. Well, clearly it is irresponsible that we procreated since my husband has Asperger's, to which there can be a genetic component, and there is no "cure" for the "disability" of not being neurotypical.
In the US, it is somehow fine to have an off-spring with disabilities, as there is, as such, supposed to be a system of welfare - but there are places in this world where any disabilities would mean in practice infanticide.

Though, compare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBg3coarF_8

"Happy children. My daugther's in love, my son loves too."

EPL's Scudamore:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/richard-scudamore-emails-premier-league-3559527

Five kids, two daughters, thee boys - and how about the girls being double deckers, and the boys eagerly seeking to play at the "lower deck" eh?

Just a thought. Shall disrespect of your daughters not be rather bad too, as such?
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Briareos262: I've seen alot of homophobia through the years, for transpeople alot worse. Fortunately it's not as bad as it was. I'm not harming or hurting anyone with my outward appearance, I wear what I'm comfortable with and makes me happy =P

So yeah I'm used to being apart of an ostracized group that's hated. Thats okay though, I spent most of my time in the gaming virtual world were life is much better ^_^ Luckily I live in the states obviously so its not as bad as err certain eastern countries.. There are a couple of places I could never visit due to being jailed or executed =P LoL
Pray believe Briareos262, some might not even think about it, or some might think about it hatefully, but there are those of us that are most fine with it - and should like to find u in the corporate setting, too, as long as being competent is about it.

I do think the fair judgement thing is the most challenging, as generally we tend to favor persons who are alike us.

U wish to challenge? Pray tell! (those of us fit comfortably the corporate setting)

PS. but also: in case you have any remarks either riding for, or against, corporate culture or just accepting persons into your country - bring it on!

We Finns..? No comments, besides possible usurpers of the Danes, really?

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PS. The edit to was to indicate the challenge of asking any one of us about an uncomfortable challenge. As such, trans-gender topic is an easy one, because most of us never come across it.

Or what say you, eh?
Post edited May 20, 2014 by TStael
One of my older brothers has two wonderful children but I am not allowed to speak to them or have any contact with them. Why? Because my older brother is quite wealthy and I am not. He thinks--I am not joking--that because I am poor, relatively speaking, that I will be a bad influence on them and the only way they will grow up to be rich like him is to hang around other rich people. He told this directly to my face.

I was depressed about it for some time but I realized that my having less money is just the excuse. For whatever reason he has decided he doesn't like me and doesn't want me in his life and money is an excuse he can use to justify his behavior. I don't like to think about it because even now it still makes me sad.

If people want to hate they will find a reason to hate--it is simple as that. People decide to hate first--they make the reason afterword.
I tend to avoid leaving my country, and I left school a long time ago. So, I don't have that problem. Besides if someone disliked me, I wouldn't care unless they were physical about it. Screw the haters. I have more important things to do in my life like watch TV or play video games.
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TStael: Yes, and no - I think. At least you are alive, and this is mighty fine and just try to enjoy it, really, eh! And if you wish to PM about how to be happy, do do - but I am sorry to say it is about being superficially charming and hopping around, or about loyalty.

I loved my aunt most deeply, but as a skitso (s�orry for this spelling but my better browsers just crashed fatally), her unpredictability was too much to handle, as to keeping up the intimacy proper. Yet I still feel guilt about this, to this day.

I say: anyone sticking to persons whose behaviour cannot be predicted, hats off and be well indeed.

And to those who might behave so by a less favorable hand of Providence: it is really hard , trust me, as humans are conditioned to an interaction process that is hard-wired to "what you give, relates to what get."

If it is of any consolation, you could be despised for a much more banal things: colour of skin, extreme poverty, your nationality, your language.

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If you are trying to say "Well what you expect? you act different to people" I'm not impressed.
"If it is of any consolation, you could be despised for a much more banal things: colour of skin, extreme poverty, your nationality, your language", saying "Compared to most you deserve what you get" is as far as possible from consolation in this scenario. I think you may have missed the point of your own thread.

Maybe you think I am some manic depressive who screams when touched, doesn't understand why it's wrong to "pet" women in red dresses and finds it easier to chainsaw a door in half than open it? If so you are wrong. I get on fine with 99% of people. I've travelled the world, held down some small jobs (I'm in collage) and made many friends.

"And if you wish to PM about how to be happy, do do - but I am sorry to say it is about being superficially charming and hopping around, or about loyalty" I don't know why I'd PM you on the subject of happiness but it sounds like you're saying "You're never gonna be happy. All you're doing is pretending to get by" If so I'm very underwhelmed by your social skills. When I say compared to most people I've had an easy life I mean it. I've never been beaten up for being different. I've never received a death threat for liking My little Pony. No one has tried to take advantage of me sexually and I've never known real poverty. I don't thing being grateful for these thing is being superficial.

Good day sir.

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Okay maybe I read you wrong on that second part. Maybe you aren't trying to say that I'm never going to be happy and that pretending. But you've got to see that implying I need your help on this when I've said "Most of it's in the past" and "Compared to most I've had a good run" comes across as rather patronising. As if you'd "Seen through my lies" or something like that. Particularly when your advice just sounds so cynical. I know people are willing to accept me for who I am. I don't need to be superficial.

I doesn't help that your compare me to your schizophrenic gran. 1: Asperger's syndrome isn't a mental illness. 2: If I'd left a comment saying "Finns are too much to handle. Hats of to anyone who can stand to be around Finns" you'd have felt pretty hurt by that. An observation barrier come with ticks that seem strange to others. So does being a foreigner in a strange land.
Post edited May 20, 2014 by Johnmourby
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TStael:
Of course. I'm a hungarian so many romanians hate me for that... my girlfriend is romanian so many hungarians hate me/her for that :).
Luckily there are enough people who don't care :D.
Post edited May 20, 2014 by blotunga
I am adored for who I am, and let me tell you, it's just as exhausting as the opposite, if not more so.
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grimgroove: I am adored for who I am, and let me tell you, it's just as exhausting as the opposite, if not more so.
Are you Batman?
I'm schizoid, and how people perceive me is really of no interest to me. The good thing about it is I generally don't care. I can fake it, and I can mirror well enough to "fit in" if I feel it's necessary, but when all is said and done, I much prefer to just avoid people altogether. I'm sure this may sometimes make people think I'm "aloof" or "distant" or "cold" or "emotionless" (I get that last one a lot), but as I said - so what? :-) I can beat you to death with writing, but actually speaking to someone? No thank you.
Post edited May 20, 2014 by DieRuhe
The police tend to not like me, they usually stop me for no reason. Or rather, they typically "have" a "reason", and I've learned to ask what it is as it has amusing responses. I was once stopped because it was too cold to wear shorts, for instance, or that other one who complained about my green-ish eyes not being the same color as on my ID card photo. Which was black and white.

Funniest one was when Spanish military police thought I was not respectful enough, and fixed by it pointing a machinegun to my face. Fun times, fun times.