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iippo: ...i dont remember for having any of that while i was in Switzerland for an year as exchange student.

weird.
Where where you, actually? For example, Bern, I like, for a great feeling of beloging and concerts.

Plus... iippo, like I was in Paris, you were not in Switzerland to stay, but to enjoy a student experience, surely..? Or what was the issue of not staying, otherwise..?
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hudfreegamer: There are two types of people in this world, those that hate me and those that don't know me. ;P
Nosferatu Vampire?
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Tarnicus: My girlfriend and I have been together for a year and a half now and she has Aspergers and I am bipolar and ADHD. Great match for certain medical professions to make a mint off eh? After spending years going through the orthodox medical system taking pills that either made me numb, not myself or worse(great to function in meaningless monotonous jobs though eh?) I started to look into what I could do for myself and followed the path of natural medicines. I don't need a "cure" because there isn't one and I refuse to take medication that makes me a zombie and has who knows what side-effects in the long-run.

Be the change you wish to see in the world holds a lot of truth to me :)
Well said really, I see what you mean.

But in return, I must point out: there are prostective parents with a degenarative deseases upping each generation, whom might choose to reproduce

When they know there is double digit likelyhood for the offspring to degenrate into an unindependent state later on, most likely, why not either just adopt, though?
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TStael: And what is so hatable about you, for the priviledged few who might know you, then? Or lovable, eh?
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hudfreegamer: I don't know. I think I'm a super great guy. My best guess is that I treat complete strangers like best friends, which I guess comes across as though I have some sort of ulterior motive.
Well if what you say is true then the people who get to know you don't hate you. They are just afraid of you because you are being too friendly too soon. Have you ever watched the movie, The Cable Guy? Yeah...people fear the The Cable Guy. There are people out there like The Cable Guy. Trust me. I know from experience.
Post edited May 21, 2014 by monkeydelarge
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awalterj: You guys are funny! So far, I'm seeing that the only people who dislike Finnish people are Finns, themselves. I'm still waiting for OP (TStael) to explain how exactly he/she got discriminated upon in Switzerland for being a Finn. I can't speak for all my countrymen but we really don't hate Finns in any way, take my word for it!
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TStael: Ah, trust, awalterj dear, we Finns are rather capable in seeking out our own faults - but I do not think this makes us objectively dislikable, possible something else.
Could it be that you subjectively feel you're being discriminated upon, perhaps more on an individual base rather than on a racist level? Meaning in plain English that someone just doesn't like you for you but it has nothing to do with your nationality/ethnicity? So far, you haven't shared any specific details about the discrimination you personally have experienced in Switzerland even though many of us have shared specifics from our lives (most admirably CatintheHeat). It would make things easier to understand if you were more specific. Sorry if this is starting to sound like 'group therapy peer pressure' or the Great Inquisition but you got me curious.

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TStael: But also: you did not counter the fact that my Asian friend gets village dialects repeated back at her slower and lowder, when Hoch Deutsch would be rather well understood by her, and surely known by her Swiss colleagues as you stated.

Or is this just rather Olten (and commuters) type of behavior?
Well, I don't know anyone from Olten, nor your Chinese speaking friend, nor the inconsiderate Swiss coworkers, so apart from what I already wrote about this situation I have nothing to add. They sound like rude people according to your report, and rude people exist everywhere. Not my place to 'counter' anything since I can't pass judgement on or defend anyone I haven't met. Not trying to cop out trying to cover for my countrymen, I just don't have a loose trigger finger on the witch hunting crossbows.
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TStael: Ah, trust, awalterj dear, we Finns are rather capable in seeking out our own faults - but I do not think this makes us objectively dislikable, possible something else.
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awalterj: Could it be that you subjectively feel you're being discriminated upon, perhaps more on an individual base rather than on a racist level? Meaning in plain English that someone just doesn't like you for you but it has nothing to do with your nationality/ethnicity?

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TStael: But also: you did not counter the fact that my Asian friend gets village dialects repeated back at her slower and lowder, when Hoch Deutsch would be rather well understood by her, and surely known by her Swiss colleagues as you stated.

Or is this just rather Olten (and commuters) type of behavior?
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awalterj: Well, I don't know anyone from Olten, nor your Chinese speaking friend,
Taiwanese, mind you. But I also think her Olten colleagues somehow make the same generalisation. ;-)

Plus: I do actually think there are plenty of fine reasons not to like me - I do not claim I am particularly admirable, but also, one should know me better than hearing my accent to get on about it.

I am also not against the Swiss in general, at all - I have never, ever met a more admirable, more kind, or better garagist than here in Basel - Herr Ruppen. But also, he takes rather kindly to me being not an optimal car capitalist, eh! :-p

Ich war stolz "über mich", er war stolz "auf mich" - mit einem lächeln - wenn ich habe den Fahrzeugausweis gefunden, für die eventuelle Farzeugkontrolle, gestern.

The point is about über and auf, and the smile, more than about being some colour or nationality.

Trust me: Herr Ruppen would consult me with the same most admirable attitude and capability, regardless of whom I was. And he also switches onto English when my car related technicalities fail, even when I actually would not mind trying on in German, because he should aim to understand me.

And, yup, this is an actual Swiss. :-D
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iippo: ...i dont remember for having any of that while i was in Switzerland for an year as exchange student.

weird.
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TStael: Where where you, actually? For example, Bern, I like, for a great feeling of beloging and concerts.

Plus... iippo, like I was in Paris, you were not in Switzerland to stay, but to enjoy a student experience, surely..? Or what was the issue of not staying, otherwise..?
Well i suppose my exchange year was more about living abroad for one year and learning the language rather than actually "studying".

I lived around Winterthur in three different families. This was like 14 year ago or so.

Nice country really. Shame that ive unfortunately let my language skills plummet since then.

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anyways, i dont really understand the word metsäsuomalainen as an insult its probably thought as.
Post edited May 22, 2014 by iippo
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hudfreegamer: There are two types of people in this world, those that hate me and those that don't know me. ;P
Someone who has a Quake 1 avatar can't be an entirely bad person ;-)
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pigdog: In some circles, I'm disliked for what I am. The "snap out of it" brigade tend to mutter disapprovingly at my name, whilst holding a fine glass of red and talking about their latest ventures.
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TStael: Snap out of what, exactly? What is the behaviour that might earn you disappoval, as opposed to be asked to share the fine red?
Here's a popular analogy: you wouldn't ask a person with a broken leg to just get up, fight it and go for a run..
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TStael: Taiwanese, mind you. But I also think her Olten colleagues somehow make the same generalisation. ;-)

Plus: I do actually think there are plenty of fine reasons not to like me - I do not claim I am particularly admirable, but also, one should know me better than hearing my accent to get on about it.

I am also not against the Swiss in general, at all - I have never, ever met a more admirable, more kind, or better garagist than here in Basel - Herr Ruppen. But also, he takes rather kindly to me being not an optimal car capitalist, eh! :-p

Ich war stolz "über mich", er war stolz "auf mich" - mit einem lächeln - wenn ich habe den Fahrzeugausweis gefunden, für die eventuelle Farzeugkontrolle, gestern.

The point is about über and auf, and the smile, more than about being some colour or nationality.

Trust me: Herr Ruppen would consult me with the same most admirable attitude and capability, regardless of whom I was. And he also switches onto English when my car related technicalities fail, even when I actually would not mind trying on in German, because he should aim to understand me.

And, yup, this is an actual Swiss. :-D
OK, so we have established that there are a handful of unfriendly people in Olten and at least one very nice person in Basel, but the mystery of your original post that started off this thread still remains:
"I am disliked for being a Finn. Per where I am."
I see no examples of 'Anti-Finnism' in Switzerland, yet. It would greatly add to this thread if you had a story along the lines of "police stopped my car and searched the trunk for illegal rendeer" or something like that, anything that could shed light on what caused you to make this thread in the first place?

PS: I didn't mean to generalize your friend as a Chinese which is why I wrote "Chinese speaking" in my last post because you mentioned your friend was hired for "Chinese language skill". You didn't say Taiwan but before you bunch me in with the most evil scary Olteners, I would like to point out that I once dated a Taiwanese girl. She was very nice and cooked blocks of blood for breakfast which I ate without putting up any protest. And a Swiss friend of mine goes to Taiwan every now and then and brings back Taiwanese tea. He occasionally invites me over to his house so we can drink the tea since I'm the only one who likes those teas (one of those teas has puffed rice in it and some other things). So now that you know that I ate Taiwanese breakfast and drink Taiwanese tea, I hope you're convinced that I do in fact know about the existence of Taiwan even though I've never been there. I even listened to Tai-Pop once (not Thai-Pop)!
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infinite9: Let's put it this way:

When I attended public grade school, I was targeted by both black and white bullies for being part Asian.

Later when growing up and after becoming an adult, I have been accused of racism just because I support the concept of "white pride" with the term "pride" meaning taking respect, comfort, and/or pleasure with something about oneself. Also whenever I complain about illegals in the US or troubles related to immigrant rapists in other countries, I get accused of bigotry just because I told facts.

Basically, I learned the hard way that those who claim to be "anti-racist" or "pro-diversity" happen to be the most bigoted and judgmental of all especially the ones who complain about "white privilege" as if the coal miners of West Virginia and Pennsylvania always had it so easy just because they were of European ancestry or the ones who hate southerners or anyone of religious value.
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TStael: If it comforts you, I was bullied for seven years or so thoughtout the comprehsensive school just not riding on the top of the Bell Curve - I had my own personality, nothing else was needed.

But rest assured: I am fully Finnish by desendance, Lutheran by ethics, with a Taiwanese, an Amercian, a Belgian deepest friends.

Yet those fellow-Finnish bullies have never made me think worse nor less about "whites" or my countrymen or myself - or anyone else.

Pray share with concrete examples how anti-racist cum pro-diversity persons are the most bigoted??
Let's see:

I could talk about how people keep making accusations of "white privilege" which is a racist accusation designed to cheapen or nullify any hard work or endurance performed by someone of European ancestry to achieve what they have. For example, I don't think the West Virginia and Pennsylvania coal miners who were watching their friends get injured or killed under grueling work conditions thought of themselves as "privileged" just because of ancestry. The illegals who come into my country and spit on the legal immigrants who are trying to earn citizenship the legal way can be seen as privileged cause of the handouts they get at everyone else's expense.

I could talk about how I've been accused of racism just because I openly oppose the Obama administration but that goes into details ranging from crony appointments to cover-ups to economic and financial horrors which I don't have time to explain. All you need to know is that people have used his race (half at least) to discredit his opposition with false accusations of racism.

I could talk about how southerners get stereotyped by northern hypocrites as dumb, inbred, or "backwards" just because they tend to support traditional American values or simply because they were born and raised south of Maryland but north of Miami.

I could also talk about how wearing a shirt about "black pride" or "Hispanic pride" won't get you into any kind of hot water but a shirt about "white pride" (as in embracing comfort, pleasure, or respect towards one's European ancestry and culture) will get you accused of and treated as a neo-Nazi.

I could also talk about how people who embrace people-based Germanic heathenism like Asatru or Odinism, especially folkish interpretation, get accused of being white supremacists by race-baiters like the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Hell, the Southern Poverty Law Center, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson are all hatemongering, race-baiting pieces of crap who have nothing better to do than to make money by shit-stirring. Let me also say that as someone who has been targeted by racists both black and white, one of the things that offends me more than actual racism is false accusation of racism because each false accusation cheapens the claims of real racism.
Surprisingly... No, I don't face negative discrimination in my every day life. I am a young bearded man in a profession mostly dominated by women (with a mostly female company leadership) and while the women in the company are at each others' throats, back talking and climbing on top of the defeated ones I've been getting by for the last three years without putting any effort into being one of the team. I've had arguments with my bosses which I faced down without losing my head. It's the power of the beard, I tell you, how can you lie and argue against someone with my dopey and harmless face?

I practice my religion daily and it has always been more of a curiousity than a concern to others. My family (who does not share my faith) are fine with it too, and I suppose they realise in practical terms I only differ from the average Swede in that I am more concious about my dietary habits and I try not to oogle girls at every given moment (that, and I also give a damn about my marriage!).

Then one day out of curiousity, I did a google search for my name to see if any of the local paper interviews I've been part of in the last few years were published online. I was startled to realise some of them were and these articles were being discussed on a far right blog/forum. My heart sank as I read comments by nationalists, anti-immigration and anti-muslim critics speculating on my character and belittling the heavily edited quotes of me. Race traitor, culture traitor, naive misogynist/paedo/terrorist apologist. It was unreal. My mere existence conjures up violent imagery in the minds of these people and they write comments just short of encouraging bad things to happen to me. The final straw for me was to see a link to my facebook profile. I realised that by viewing that profile they were not just violently speculating about who I was, but who my friends and family were. Just the thought that one of these guys would find pictures of my mother and sister and think they are horrible people to be of the same family as me made me decide to remove my profile and start cleaning up my electronic footprint on the internet. I deleted anything that could casually place me somewhere on a map. No more real names, no more hometown. I've since declined the only request for an interview I've got, which was rather distressing to me because the journalist was surprised and wanted to know a reason why.

I know I'm making this sound a lot more serious than it is but I'd rather err on the safe side. It's a messed up world and to many people this life is all they have and they take great pride in it. 99,999% of the smack talkers online are just venting, but I don't want to be involved with the one incident that might happen any given year.

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On a different note, I see some talk about trans- and homo phobia. I know this has been a bit of a topic what with the Sochi olympics and the Eurovision song contest, and I'd like to put forward an idea that I rarely see brought up when people talk about country specific homophobia. I remember what it was like growing up in Sweden. Kids are so worried that their actions will be interpreted as gay. You can't have an earring in the right ear, that's gay. You can't wear a green shirt, that's gay. Hugging your friends or looking at them naked is totally gay, etc etc. This is just the way it is for every country that is in the process of normalising and recognising trans- and homosexuality. Some social interactions and fashions suddenly become ambiguous, and the remaining stigma means a lot of people do not want to be mistakenly identified.

Now look at countries and regions like Russia, the Arab gulf states, Iran, South East Asia and others. Compared to the Americas and Europe they have different ideas what macho heterosexuality is. Everyone has seen Putin doing manly stuff with his top off for photo ops, or they have seen groups of young Russian men working out and hanging out in their underwear together (even hardcore criminals). Everyone has seen Arab men holding hands and laughing effeminately. Most people probably remember Ahmadinejad's speech that was translated in real time into something like "There are no homosexuals in Iran" (which probably means there is no openly recognised gay culture in Iran like what you'd find in the Americas and Europe, not that there are literally no homosexual people). To men in these countries, these interactions are not romantic or homo-erotic. Arab men hold hands as an act of friendship, like little boys on the way to school. Russian men, I'm sure think they are being real macho comparing their bicepses and six-packs, they know they like pussy and all their friends like pussy.

If their nations were to recognise and tolerate homosexuality, their mannerisms and sensibilities become ambiguous rather than heteronormal behaviour. Someone might think they are gay for doing what they are doing. The horror! Damn those bleeding heart liberals and their homosexual manipulators destroying our proud heterosexual cultures! Burn them at the stakes before it takes root!

Personally, I have a live and let live point of view on the matter. I haven't even found a direct prohibition against being gay in Islam, though because of marriage restrictions it is impossible for gay muslims to legally satisfy their prefered sexual needs (ie it would be adultery, a very grave sin).
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TStael: If it comforts you, I was bullied for seven years or so thoughtout the comprehsensive school just not riding on the top of the Bell Curve - I had my own personality, nothing else was needed.

But rest assured: I am fully Finnish by desendance, Lutheran by ethics, with a Taiwanese, an Amercian, a Belgian deepest friends.

Yet those fellow-Finnish bullies have never made me think worse nor less about "whites" or my countrymen or myself - or anyone else.

Pray share with concrete examples how anti-racist cum pro-diversity persons are the most bigoted??
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infinite9: Let's see:

I could talk about how people keep making accusations of "white privilege" which is a racist accusation designed to cheapen or nullify any hard work or endurance performed by someone of European ancestry to achieve what they have. For example, I don't think the West Virginia and Pennsylvania coal miners who were watching their friends get injured or killed under grueling work conditions thought of themselves as "privileged" just because of ancestry. The illegals who come into my country and spit on the legal immigrants who are trying to earn citizenship the legal way can be seen as privileged cause of the handouts they get at everyone else's expense.

I could talk about how I've been accused of racism just because I openly oppose the Obama administration but that goes into details ranging from crony appointments to cover-ups to economic and financial horrors which I don't have time to explain. All you need to know is that people have used his race (half at least) to discredit his opposition with false accusations of racism.

I could talk about how southerners get stereotyped by northern hypocrites as dumb, inbred, or "backwards" just because they tend to support traditional American values or simply because they were born and raised south of Maryland but north of Miami.

I could also talk about how wearing a shirt about "black pride" or "Hispanic pride" won't get you into any kind of hot water but a shirt about "white pride" (as in embracing comfort, pleasure, or respect towards one's European ancestry and culture) will get you accused of and treated as a neo-Nazi.

I could also talk about how people who embrace people-based Germanic heathenism like Asatru or Odinism, especially folkish interpretation, get accused of being white supremacists by race-baiters like the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Hell, the Southern Poverty Law Center, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson are all hatemongering, race-baiting pieces of crap who have nothing better to do than to make money by shit-stirring. Let me also say that as someone who has been targeted by racists both black and white, one of the things that offends me more than actual racism is false accusation of racism because each false accusation cheapens the claims of real racism.
There is only rich and wealthy privilege in this world.
Post edited May 23, 2014 by monkeydelarge
@OP,

My short answer is yes. In the name of tolerance, our society refuses to tolerate anyone deemed not tolerant. Which is sadly the very definition of intolerance (and irony). While I consider the previous generation to be the entitlement generation, I would call our current one the age of intolerance. (more correctly labeled intentional ignorance IMHO).

And because I've seen an extremely high level of intolerance for what I stand for on these very forums, I'll leave it at that. ;)
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hucklebarry: @OP,

My short answer is yes. In the name of tolerance, our society refuses to tolerate anyone deemed not tolerant. Which is sadly the very definition of intolerance (and irony). While I consider the previous generation to be the entitlement generation, I would call our current one the age of intolerance. (more correctly labeled intentional ignorance IMHO).

And because I've seen an extremely high level of intolerance for what I stand for on these very forums, I'll leave it at that. ;)
A simple +1 your way.