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The last post I found was this:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shining_gog_mafia_65_return_to_the_stanley_hotel/post253

Which kind of make sense. I don't remember zazak bringing it up again after that.
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zazak09: The point is that there is no role that benefits from directly softclaiming, unless you're attempting to use WIFOM.

And there wouldn't be a need to speculate on your role if you hadn't played this anti-town gambit to begin with.
It's not about benefits of softclaiming, but detrimental effects of claiming. The alternative was claiming and nerfing my role.

I don't mind you speculating about my role, but to state with certainty that there is no role in which claiming would damage its effectiveness is incredibly arrogant.

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ZFR: By the way, do you find Joe's avatart too similar to mine when you do rereads?
Not really... Joe's has that flash of red.

Although didn't he steal your avatar at one point? That was maybe a bit too similar.
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SirPrimalform: Although didn't he steal your avatar at one point? That was maybe a bit too similar.
Previously on Mafia... the one I hosted. He added some text to it.
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ZFR: The last post I found was this:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shining_gog_mafia_65_return_to_the_stanley_hotel/post253

Which kind of make sense. I don't remember zazak bringing it up again after that.
He doesn't exactly say "but I realise this isn't a softclaim", but I guess it could be inferred. Still, it doesn't read that way to me - feels more like "I still see this as a softclaim but I'm going to let you off this time".

He also specifies "day one" in his policy lynch conditions. I'd like to point out that this is day 3 and the soft claim wasn't exactly unprompted.

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SirPrimalform: Although didn't he steal your avatar at one point? That was maybe a bit too similar.
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ZFR: Previously on Mafia... the one I hosted. He added some text to it.
Ooh, that rascal.
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zazak09: Seriously, please trust me on this one. I've played mafia for years on different communities. 90% of the time softclaiming is a gambit done by cornered scum, and in the other 10% it's still incredibly disruptive. Regardless of his alignment or power, letting him live would be setting an awful precedent.
on GOG we only ever hardclaim at L-1, if asked after we reach L1.
I'm sorry you decided to sub out, and hopefully, after observing several games here might play again sometime. I have appreciated your advice on how other communities play, and I have and do consider it, even if I don't always follow it.

everyone:
also, i haven't been online much bc of irl issues over the weekend, dating back to friday night when gog ate my posts (until i put 1 paragraph at a time when i should have been in bed). This is not a AtE, but I have been averaging 4-5 hours of sleep/day for the last 4 days and might be trying to sleep much of this day.
I am currently clearing SPF because I like his logic, dating back to d1 up to today, his playstyle until today resonates with me making my gut happy about it, and I see nothing scummy about what he has said. Nothing overtly town, either, but nothing damning yet. However, my natural tendency is to think the best of everyone and I have to purposely go against my nature to try and read everything from the worst perspective and I am bad at it.

i would vote him to avoid a NL if there was no toher choice.

I am interested in Pooka's vote on Cadaver, as I think it was less thought out than Pooka's vote on carradice.

GR worries me far more than anyone else. He is never here, summarizes but does not offer opinions, and almost never comments on current events but previous ones. While I willingly gave him a few days (calendar) grace due to his loss, the time is far past to allow it to continue.
I'm not claiming same, but if I have an investigative PR, I'd use it tonight to hunt among my top suspects:
ZFR ZAZAK GR
I'd even use it to confirm SirP's being town.
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SirPrimalform: It's not about benefits of softclaiming, but detrimental effects of claiming. The alternative was claiming and nerfing my role.
And if you're night killed? What use does your role have then?
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zazak09: And if you're night killed? What use does your role have then?
Only very slightly less use than if I spell it all out.
@all: zazak has left the game. Effective immediately. We need a replacement and the Day may be extended as a result of that. If any of you know of someone who might want to participate, please invite them.
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PookaMustard: ..."wanting to sound worried" is only something I'd expect to hear from scum...
That's gold! I thought after AFP's accusation reason about "round brackets" no one would beat it, but you actually overdid it. I like that you are suspecting me, truly. But you better find something serious for my case, I don't know, a "discrepancy" maybe.
And yes, I wanted to sound worried, that was my intention. I'm not denying in any way.

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ZFR: You are worried how *fast* we jumped on SPF's wagon?

I gave SPF a day (calendar) to respond. zazak gave him more. You're worried this wagon is fast, but not how GR's wagon was brought to L-2 in a matter of a calendar day?
Yes, *fast*, and that's how it was.

GameRager's playstyle reeks of scum tell (lurk, no info, odd discrepancies which I prefer to call "mistakes"), he is an "easy target" like a few players mentioned already. So yes, worried, but not about GR's wagon, no. And you might have noticed that it was exactly GameRager who created an L-2 situation then changed his mind soon after for whatever reason: "compassion" or "fear" of drawing too much attention. GR is almost asking to be lynched, like you at the beginning of D1.
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zazak09: Anyways, I asked Lift for a replacement over an hour ago. My exact message:

Sorry man, but I can't do it anymore. I honestly tried my best. Between the two jesters, two village idiots, multiple lurkers, and having to constantly explain why softclaiming is bad, I just don't have the willpower to carry on. Please replace me and give me access to the observer thread.
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zazak09: I believe SirP is mafia, and he is partnered with either Pooka-AFP-Microfish, in that order. I would be surprised if ZFR or Cadaver are mafia. Usually I have more town reads than scum by D3, but well... you guys haven't made it easy.

If you have any further questions of me before I leave, now is the time to ask them.
That was a bad move, especially after you stated your intention to move on and that "I'll continue to hunt scum" statement. Yeah, thank you for that. In case you haven't noticed you just helped Mafia A LOT by bringing more confusion.
And I've waited for your reasoning behind the vote on Pooka all for nothing! (and AFP's comments since it was your requirement)

You weren't particularly polite towards SPF but who was another "village idiot"? I'm asking because "village idiot" might be a "scum infernal" (I made it up, I have no idea if there is such a term).

At least thank you for your small analysis on Pooka, AFP, Microfish leaning scum; ZFR, Cadaver not leaning scum that much. But you could have give more thoughts.

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zazak09: ...you guys haven't made it easy.
Likewise.
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PookaMustard: ..."wanting to sound worried" is only something I'd expect to hear from scum...
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Cadaver747: That's gold! I thought after AFP's accusation reason about "round brackets" no one would beat it, but you actually overdid it. I like that you are suspecting me, truly. But you better find something serious for my case, I don't know, a "discrepancy" maybe.
And yes, I wanted to sound worried, that was my intention. I'm not denying in any way.
There's a distinction between 'being worried' and 'wanting to sound worried '. The latter suggests that you aren't actually worried but are concerned about being seen as worried. Of course why you'd tell us that I don't know, but such slips can happen.
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ZFR: You are worried how *fast* we jumped on SPF's wagon?

I gave SPF a day (calendar) to respond. zazak gave him more. You're worried this wagon is fast, but not how GR's wagon was brought to L-2 in a matter of a calendar day?
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Cadaver747: Yes, *fast*, and that's how it was.

GameRager's playstyle reeks of scum tell (lurk, no info, odd discrepancies which I prefer to call "mistakes"), he is an "easy target" like a few players mentioned already. So yes, worried, but not about GR's wagon, no. And you might have noticed that it was exactly GameRager who created an L-2 situation then changed his mind soon after for whatever reason: "compassion" or "fear" of drawing too much attention. GR is almost asking to be lynched, like you at the beginning of D1.
2 people Thursday to Saturday is fast. Ooookay.
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SirPrimalform: You make it sound like I've been gone for ages, but I've just been asleep.
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Cadaver747: Not ages, I just wanted to pay your, as well as others', attention; and there was no official vote counting.
I want it to sound like I'm worried about the situation: I suspected you for mafia, but latest accusations towards you made me sad. Will not vote you till I think it over by tomorrow.
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SirPrimalform: There's a distinction between 'being worried' and 'wanting to sound worried '. The latter suggests that you aren't actually worried but are concerned about being seen as worried. Of course why you'd tell us that I don't know, but such slips can happen.
Yes, sorry for being a bit blunt (as in "straight" meaning), it's my usual self to use English words and to construct sentences *unorthodox* in a way. I'm aware of scum scheming and "manufacturing" thing, but I'm not THAT stupid to let it slip. I will not apologize for my English ever again and use it as an excuse in GOG Mafia games. If you (maybe not you particularly) feel that I could be a mafia because of this, fine with me. I still don't like the reasoning and expect some more of Pooka's insights, his reaction is interesting.

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ZFR: 2 people Thursday to Saturday is fast. Ooookay.
You voted 2 days ago (Saturday?), Zazak and GR voted 1 day ago (Sunday). Yes, OK. Why?
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ZFR: 2 people Thursday to Saturday is fast. Ooookay.
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Cadaver747: You voted 2 days ago (Saturday?), Zazak and GR voted 1 day ago (Sunday). Yes, OK. Why?
Except maybe GR, we've all give our reasons.

Again, D3 started Thursday. How is this wagon fast?

Especially if we compare to GR whose wagon grew much faster for... reasons.

But whatever, have it your way.
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ZFR: Except maybe GR, we've all give our reasons.

Again, D3 started Thursday. How is this wagon fast?

Especially if we compare to GR whose wagon grew much faster for... reasons.

But whatever, have it your way.
Speculation
GR's reasons might be:
1) *I want to look like the others*
2) *they vote - I vote*
3) *they doubt - I do the same*
4) *they ask me for scum reads - I'll copycat some from yours in past postings*

Again the D3 will end on Tuesday (it was meant to end on Tuesday before we lost a player).
That's how that wagon was fast.
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Lifthrasil: The Day will end on Tuesday.
I don't like your "whatever", it's not about my or someone else's way. It's all about truth and contradictions, we need to find scum or a killer(s) (or something else, who knows) and I don't know any other means to do it.