No we can't. A Town is, by definition, someone who wins when Town wins.

A person who can kill at Night and wins when he kills all Town is by definition *not* Town. It's scum.

It's like having an even number, but the twist is it's not divisible by two. It's no longer even. By definition.

Yes, the twist technically *could* be that Lift is giving the name "Town" to someone who's Scum, but it would mean changing the definition of name factions, something Lift stated tht he didn't do.

Sorry I might have been reading from the wrong sources, making wrong assumptions. For some reason I thought "vanilla" result from a cop as the same as "vanilla town". According to your words it's not the case.

Here is what I've checked yesterDay:
A Serial Killer's kill is considered factional, so if investigated by a Role Cop or Vanilla Cop, SKs (with no further powers) should return a "Vanilla" result. Serial Killers traditionally kill with knives, so show up as not having a gun to a Gunsmith investigation - note that all deaths should still have the same generic Kill Flavor.
> taken from https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Serial_Killer

Here you go, a "round brackets" scum tell sign:
Me too, I'd prefer to be lynched than to use a "linguistic issue" reason. I gave my explanations to SPF already, if you haven't read it yet, and in my case it was not a linguistic f@ck up, that's how I speak my mind in English.
So if you decide that it was some kind of "backing from it" strategy, please search for more scum tells and provide your analysis for others. Because now you're drawing my attention and it's frigging hard to read you.

"Vanilla" just means they're nothing special. Vanilla Town is a Townie with no PR. Mafia Goon is a "Vanilla Mafia," which means that player doesn't have any additional power other than the Mafia's factional abilities like chat and nightkill. A vanilla SK can nightkill, but doesn't have any additional roles.

In other words, Vanilla != PR.

So what would be the cop's (in my example both vanilla cop and role cop) result for a 3rd party SK (with no special powers): vanilla (nothing special), or vanilla SK, or something else? In other words what the should see?
Can or can't he identify the SK (or similar to SK player)?

Got it.

Here's the thing. Aside from zazak, this day has been FRIGGING slow. Nothing I've been able to pick up was as clear cut as Carradice on Day 1, or Gogtrial on D2. Therefore, we're now at a point where the tiniest thing has to be put under scrutiny. That said, you should work harder in readnig me. I'm sure you can find something about me this game - especially with not having posted too much.

So you have a Jack of all Trades (JOAT) Serial Killer. JOAT is the role, and Serial Killer is the alignment.
A vanilla cop will get this result: Anti-Town
In some rare circumstances, the Cop might know if that player is Mafia or SK, but generally it's just Anti-Town.

A role cop will know that the player is a JOAT, but not what alignment, so it could be a Town JOAT or a Mafia JOAT or a SK JOAT.

Wrong. A vanilla cop will get result: Vanilla.

A regular cop will get result: Anti-Town

I've re-read your posts a few times. Hard to read. Will try better.
Thank you, so my example mafiascum.net source with "cop's vanilla result" was a complete crap? No cop will ever see a vanilla something-something result for a Serial Killer investigation in GOG Mafia games, right?

Please check ZFR's correct right above your post. I thought that "vanilla" cop was pretty much the same as "regular" cop.
Vanilla cop: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vanilla_Cop
Regular cop: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cop
Role cop: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Role_Cop

Moreover, I'm not sure why you need to know about cops in general. Have I missed something?

Note that I know you asked to be subbed out, and likely won't reply once that happens...that said if you're still reading the game a saying comes to mind: "Only sith deal in absolutes".

What I mean by that is that sometimes people need to be ready to change how they play such games in different sites/forums to adapt to new ways of play if need be. One's play style doesn't always fit every style of mafia game, and can even be a hindrance** sometimes.

(**=In one game, the last SH game, a user tried to get everyone on board with his style of play from other such games on another site. The problem is he did it in such a way that....even though he had ferreted out the fascists in that game....he made a good number of other players not want to listen to him or[in some cases] even side with him much, leading to him helping the fascists win.

Essentially what I am saying is one must be ready to adapt in such games, and to do that it's usually best to watch a game or two first as an observer or read older games on a new forum/site)

All the above said, I hope you haven't soured from all mafia games here entirely and might play in the future again some time....have a good one, and as always(during the world wide thing I mean) stay safe and well.
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Sorry to hear that(I myself can't sleep beyond 6 1/2 hours or so on any given day....dunno why....but I always have to go back to bed when I wake up)......I hope you're well otherwise?

If you read my IRL that I posted you'd note that I am more out of touch due to the corona situation(father is driving me up the wall atm with his worrying, and I worry somewhat if he'll get sick...etc).

But don't let this IRL/seeming a.t.e. deter you....if you suspect me & feel you have good reason then I would expect no less from any other town worth their salt. :)

I think SPF(as you and cadaver said) to verify his town status, AFP as he has been lurking a bit, and maybe me so I am not as big a distraction to some anymore and we can find scum elsewhere.
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Done for now....btw: I will be online for a bit(several hours at least), so if anyone has any questions now is the time to ask them(otherwise once I go offline it'll likely be awhile till I can read/post again)

Check above posts maybe.

Microfish asked our opinion about cop investigation. I discussed with ZFR a Town SK possibility, based on my wild theory about twist, which was later denied by ZFR because SK is never Town. Then I placed my example for cop's investigation, saying that I thought that "vanilla" result might be interpret as "vanilla town", and then you told me that "vanilla" is just nothing special.

Question 1 (check post 711 please):
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shining_gog_mafia_65_return_to_the_stanley_hotel/post711

Question 2:
Microfish said that?

Micro, you said that?

I saw it now.

Tbh I don't remember who had dreams, and also I thought your "whose dream do you like best?" question was just silly back-forth between us. If you want to know, could you maybe list the people who had dreams and the post numbers where such were posted(if any) so I could give you an answer(so I don't have to wade through a ton of posts to find them)?

If so, that'd be a big help. :)

Check the last line of post#740 for that bit.

1. There were NO dreams except for SPF's and you said before how you feel "left out" because others have them.
2. Good, however Micro said exactly this:
I'm not claiming same, but if I have an investigative PR, I'd use it tonight to hunt among my top suspects:
ZFR ZAZAK GR
I'd even use it to confirm SirP's being town.

It's close but not the same. No more questions.

Well 1 person is still others(imo) :D

(also I figured someone else might've had one and I missed it somehow when reading the thread)

Also a question to you: if the third party were the ones causing such dreams, shouldn't we have more of them? If not then why?

Eh, to me it's essentially them suggesting a town investigator investigate spf as well.....so semantics, imo.
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Btw anyone else have any questions? Now is the best time to ask(while I am online). Also if I go offline later I will answer any questions I miss when I get back online.