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JoeSapphire: WAUGH!

Yogs was not my scumbuddy.

Panic is not the right word to describe what I did.

I did not do what I did because yogs got the hammer, but because yogs self-voted and I didn't understand why.



Sorry man. It got lost in the masses.

When you voted for me you said "I hope he's town." Were you referring to me?
True, true...many and much deep apologies for misquoting you!
You were surprised when he selfhammered, at least.

Also, yes. I was voting you hoping you were town because i want you to be town, but I also see/saw you as being scummier than Pooka. (Get off the playground, would you? You'll tear your pants out at the knees if you don't!)
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zazak09: snip
when last i looked, some time before i posted, pooka was the 3rd equal train. But, seeing as we have the official vote count above, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... leaving my vote where it is? I don't see voting SirP, nor do I see voting for Genny.

@LIFT: Joe voted for Carradice in 273.
Time to consolidate bandwagons. Those who are considering, vote for Carradice if you think that will provide the most information on D2, it is fine.
OOPS!
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Corrected Vote Count

Pooka 2 - trent (132), micro (275)
SirP 2 - Genocide (34), Cadaver (117)
zazak 3 - ZFR (207), Carradice (227), GR (262)
Carradice 4 - zazak (215), Pooka (231), gogtrial (256), Joe (273)
Genocide 1 - SirP (186)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Carradice leads at L-3

Everyone is voting
If you find any voting errors, let me know.

The Day will end some time tonight. So about 12 h from now, give or take one or two hours, depending on my availability.
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Microfish_1: leaving my vote where it is?
Yep, I'm calling it now, this day is going to end in another no-lynch.

Why do you think I'm worthy of a vote over frontrunners Carradice or zazak anyway? Carradice at the very least has visibly exploded in front of us all, but instead, out of left field and with no explanation for it, I'm your vote. You also said in a previous post that you like what you've seen of me, but put me on equal footing with Joe who you voted. I'm having trouble seeing what you think I did wrong.

So tell me:
1) Why Not Carradice?
2) Why Pooka?
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Microfish_1: when last i looked, some time before i posted, pooka was the 3rd equal train. But, seeing as we have the official vote count above, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... leaving my vote where it is? I don't see voting SirP, nor do I see voting for Genny.
Pooka hasn't ever been the third equal train. zazak, Carradice and SirP were leading at 2 votes each when I made my post #256 and put Carradice ahead. Pooka had only trent voting for him at that point. Afterward zazak moved to 3 votes and Carradice to 4, and only then did you put Pooka to 2.
You stated that you voted Pooka to provide an alternative wagon to Carradice, but exhibit a curious amount of blindness for the zazak wagon.

I'm not going to start a wagon on you right now, but you have my attention tomorrow.

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Carradice: Time to consolidate bandwagons. Those who are considering, vote for Carradice if you think that will provide the most information on D2, it is fine.
I was considering the merits in moving to zazak due to microfish's blindness for that wagon - and then you go and post this, shortly after I expressed approval for the way zazak pushed himself as a wagon choice. Nice attempt, but I like where my vote is sitting.


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Genocide2099:
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Cadaver747:
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trentonlf:
Time to come out and participate in a wagon which is going places!

Also, Genocide, your last post shows "2 days"! Please participate more, or ask for replacement if you're unable to!
Sorry for my absence everyone, since this virus has started pushing its way through the US I have gotten extra busy work wise. Our office is deemed an essential business to be open as we maintain office equipment/computers for many of the city government offices. So I apologize for not being around like I should.

I ISO'd Carradice and zazak and I still have zazak in my I will not vote category. Carradice is not my first choice, but they have been acting different this game than last and I can't tell if it's from first time scum jitters or if they are just stressed in real life.

Vote Carradice
balancing the wagons:

vote zazak
Btw, I should really head to bed tonight 2 hours before deadline, and ideally even 3 hours before, as I have an early morning tomorrow. So I would really like if we can manage to not wait for the final minutes to decide on a lynch.

Given our usual "oh no, he claimed, let's start a new wagon" shenanigans, putting someone at L-1 really should happen soon.
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gogtrial34987: Given our usual "oh no, he claimed, let's start a new wagon" shenanigans, putting someone at L-1 really should happen soon.
So... why did you decide to balance then just 10 minutes ago???
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Carradice: Hi there. RVS is an acronym for Radom Voting Stage. Meaning, a phase at the very beginning of the game where people vote for each other in a whimsical way, mostly for no real reason. Players gauge the reactions to these semi-random votes and eventually observations and votes become serious. At that point it is said that the game has left the random voting stage.

This is something that happened spontaneously at first, but eventually it has become almost a sort of tradition or ritual, along with fads for scumtells that have been evolving with time. In the short history of the game, mafiia/werewolf has become a very meta proposition, overall.

Others might offer complementary views, but that is the basics of RVS.
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Genocide2099: Got it. It was not an RVS vote. hahaha. I'll stand by it for now. We still have until Friday.
Your last post shows '2 days ago'. Consider yourself prodded and please return to the game!
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gogtrial34987: Given our usual "oh no, he claimed, let's start a new wagon" shenanigans, putting someone at L-1 really should happen soon.
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ZFR: So... why did you decide to balance then just 10 minutes ago???
Because I want to see what other people vote, given two equal choices? If the next vote is for Carradice, I'll be more than happy to hop back and put him at L-1.
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ZFR: So... why did you decide to balance then just 10 minutes ago???
Even better, why did he feel the need to "balance" the wagons in the first place? I'm not sure if he likes zazak more than carradice or the other way around.

Please explain, gogtrial
@gogtrial, @pooka
i ignored the SirP train because it was composed of newcomers to GOG mafia. Not that they aren't valid plaeyers with valid opinions; they are, but i dismissed out of hand the evidence based on the post that boiled down to "I'M WASTING YOUR TIME"+fluff.
also, noone else who saw it (myself included) thought anything of it other than to laugh, so i never considered it as a real possibility. this left Pooka, carradice, and zazak as potential wagons. (joe went nowhere and genny gets the D1 pass mentioned later.)

I figured zazak got a d1 pass, thus my blindness towards that wagon. It is not that i don't see merit in it but that I have refused to vote him out of principle.

This leaves Carradice & Pooka & as mentioned previously I leaned towards Carradice looking town, so I moved my vote from Joe.
(Recall that I had previously said that I read joe & pooka as scummier than the rest of the vets, but thought they were both prob town. This view was, iirc, influenced by gogtrial's read, or whoever it was who posted about the Carradice-zfr-pooka-zazak rombus. It struck me as interesting and accurate.
Aside: I was surprised when noone called me out on the coinflip to decide. Shame on you all?)

At the time, I toyed with the idea of making it a 3-way tie at 2 each, but went for Joe instead. Well, joe's wagon didn't take off and i figured, "why not give Pooka's train a try?" I still had the mental idea that Carradice & Zazak had two each, and my hopping Pooka made it 3-way.

If this was d2, I'd go for others, but I'd ruther not. I just don't see a good train of d1-eligable people. Maybe i need to drop my d1-immunity policy, or at least for those who have played in the past and are knowledgeable about the game.

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The thing is, i see this the CvZ thing as two townies who got off on the wrong foot and who could be invaluable later; each with analytic minds and knowledge of the game. C seems very different from last game, but the world situation has changed. I still don't see it as AI, the way Pooka seems to.**

Maybe it is wrong, but y'know what? never mind....

IRL stresses cannot excuse entirely bad play in hopes that play improves over the game. I think GR's ineffectiveness D1, while frustrating, is expected, understandable due to his playstyle, and even if that wasn't being excused, his IRL sorrow cannot help matters.
Other players have gone through extremely tough times IRL suddenly (some of which thankfully greatly improved!), and we always went easier on them, so long as they weren't blatantly awful at the game. When that player crosses the line into milking the IRL situation for slack in-game, then we stop cutting as much / more slack, but some is only polite.

Look, I think Carradice is town, but i'd hate to be blamed for a No-lunch, so even though it is a bad lunch (statistically he is 3 times as likely to be town as scum), i'll still like to put pressure and try to hear his claim. I'll be somewhat surprised if he is scum.

vote Carradice

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Carradice: snip
Please claim as you are now at L-1 and in danger of hammer if any of those offline not voting you are scum and you are not.

I'm glad for balance on gogtrial's part, but i've explained my personal aversion to d1-lunches of new players. perhaps zazak, who looks scummier than Carradice, shouldn't be extended this courtesy due to his previous experience? idk.
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Carradice: ...
L-2 if my count is right, but if you feel you need to claim, now is a good idea.
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trentonlf:
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gogtrial34987: Time to come out and participate in a wagon which is going places!

Also, Genocide, your last post shows "2 days"! Please participate more, or ask for replacement if you're unable to!
So many posts, and yet you haven't mentioned SirPrimalform, who put the single vote for Genocide. Do you believe his vote was placed much better than ours? And yes, Genocide is lurker all right, but it's impossible to tell if he is a unskilled scum or something happened to him in real life.