Elmofongo: I heard people say Inssurection is arguably the absolute worst Star Trek movie ever.

(So says Nostalgia Critic and Linkara)

http://blip.tv/nostalgiacritic/nostalgia-critic-star-trek-insurrection-5941890

marsrunner: Harmless, but dreadfully dull. Not offensively bad like Star Trek V: The Search for God or Star Trek: Nemesis, more like innocuous, like Generations and Insurrection. At least in my opinion. Too many long LONG sequences of the Enterprise flying through clouds and spaceship bits.

Breja: Yeah, these two are about the last people who's opinion I would rely on. They might be funny sometimes (or at least were, NC is mostly baaaad since his return), but they are not worth listening to outside of comedy.

Breja: And I really like Generations. As in, REALLY. I think it's a good movie that get's a lot of unfiar shit. I like it's theme about things passing, human mortality and different ways of facing it/looking at it, I think Soran is a very effective villain, playd well by McDowell, and I really don't have a problem with Kirks death. He was a hero, but he was human, he aged, and in the end he died in action, saving people. I hate the argument about how it should have been more heroic - it's better this way. More realistic, more human, and no less noble. Also, I LOVE the music in that movie. One of the best soundtracks in the series.

ElTerprise: Only The Motion Picture, The Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country. And only the old Special Edition DVDs have them afaik...

Breja: Yeah, these two are about the last people who's opinion I would rely on. They might be funny sometimes (or at least were, NC is mostly baaaad since his return), but they are not worth listening to outside of comedy.

Breja: Again, watch the Director's Cut. Among other things, it improves the pacing and the "flow" (not sure how else to put it) of the movie immensly. I also found the original cut on the boring side, but was not bored for a single minute of the Director's Cut.

And I really like Generations. As in, REALLY. I think it's a good movie that get's a lot of unfiar shit. I like it's theme about things passing, human mortality and different ways of facing it/looking at it, I think Soran is a very effective villain, playd well by McDowell, and I really don't have a problem with Kirks death. He was a hero, but he was human, he aged, and in the end he died in action, saving people. I hate the argument about how it should have been more heroic - it's better this way. More realistic, more human, and no less noble. Also, I LOVE the music in that movie. One of the best soundtracks in the series.

One thing I can agree with is that it feels more like a feature length episode of the series, but honestly is that such a bad thing, when people so often complain about how some of the movies don't feel "trekish" enough?

Elmofongo: There are over 6 Star Trek series. I have seen enough episdoes from The Original Series and The Next Generation to know what they are. But I have not seen Deep Space Nine, Voyeger, or Enterprise so my question is what are the premise of each show that seperates from the big 2?

All I know from Deep Space Nine is that its suppose to be a more darker, adult, version of Star Trek with more Moral Ambiguity?

(Also side question am I the only one who thinks Wrath of Khan is the only good Star Trek movie? I have seen all the reviews from both Nostalgia Critic and Mr. Plinkitt and they just don't look as good compared to Wrath or even the best episodes of TOS/TNG.)

xtharpe: I am a long time star trek fan and I can say, without a doubt, the best series after TOS is Entreprise. It becomes darker as the series progresses.

Elmofongo: Linkara was the one that convinced me how bad the film is. And he is a BIG Trekkie.

Elmofongo: Is City on the Edge of Forever truly the BEST episode of TOS?

Breja: And he hates Man of Steel, so screw him and his opinion on movies. He also hates Identity Crisis, one of the best comics DC published since the 80s, so screw his opinion on... well, anything really :D

Breja: I think so. Not by much, there are a few that come close, but if I had to choose I probably would pick that one. When I try to introduce someone new to Trek (and usually unsure about watching it) I tell them to watch just three episodes I consider best- City on the Edge of Forever, Balance of Terror and Space Seed, and see how they like it.

Elmofongo: Add The DoomsDay Machine on that list aswell.

Breja: I'm keeping it to the first season. I know the order of episodes in TOS does not matter much for the most part, but the "beginner's list" looks better when it keeps to season 1.

Breja: Yeah, these two are about the last people who's opinion I would rely on. They might be funny sometimes (or at least were, NC is mostly baaaad since his return), but they are not worth listening to outside of comedy.

Breja: Again, watch the Director's Cut. Among other things, it improves the pacing and the "flow" (not sure how else to put it) of the movie immensly. I also found the original cut on the boring side, but was not bored for a single minute of the Director's Cut.

And I really like Generations. As in, REALLY. I think it's a good movie that get's a lot of unfiar shit. I like it's theme about things passing, human mortality and different ways of facing it/looking at it, I think Soran is a very effective villain, playd well by McDowell, and I really don't have a problem with Kirks death. He was a hero, but he was human, he aged, and in the end he died in action, saving people. I hate the argument about how it should have been more heroic - it's better this way. More realistic, more human, and no less noble. Also, I LOVE the music in that movie. One of the best soundtracks in the series.

One thing I can agree with is that it feels more like a feature length episode of the series, but honestly is that such a bad thing, when people so often complain about how some of the movies don't feel "trekish" enough?

marsrunner: Oh, I've seen the directors cuts. I've seen everything Trek related at least once, except for several of the Voyager and Enterprise episodes. No offense to anyone who likes them, because Lord knows I like some stuff that most consider crap, but those two shows are not just bad Trek, they are bad period. Awful, awful stuff, I'll just leave it at that.
Generations is okay. Not great, not bad. The parts with Kirk/Picard are excellent, including the ending, but the stuff surrounding it is very blah. Better than some of the two partners (Time's Arrow, Descent, The Gambit) not as good as others (Best of Both Worlds, Redemption, Chain of Command). Aside from the Kirk stuff (granted, that's a big aside) the TNG finale, All Good Things, was superior in every way.
My biggest complaint with the TNG movies was everyone but Picard and Data were afterthoughts. The same holds true with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy and the original movies, but the rest of the crew were only supporting players 90% of the time in the TV series, so it was less noticeable.
All one Trekker's opinion, of course.

sinugie: deep space nine= father and son on a outpost frontier which also because basically revolve on one place the story have deep and longer consequence.
voyager =going home
Enterprise = damn i miss this, somehow i mix up between enterprise and tng. enterprise for me is basically back to basic star trek stories albeit with a dark touch in it. while ds9 does have that dark atms, but somehow for me, after getting use to watch babylon 5 i feel is a bit constrained as a star trek show . anyone remember when capt archer refuse to help a planet that hasn't dev warp engine? or when he capture an alien space ship on a pursuit of xindi super weapon?.

personally i quite enjoying the dark tone of enterprise, plus the more hard science approach kinda similar with new battlestar galactica. sadly the show have 2 thing that I dislike much. the first lack of memorable and poor choice of supporting character, im looking at you trip, and that english guy, The doctor are great though. secondly the badly time travel plot and yes like a poster below me (nergal) , so sad the season 4 feel left unfinished and rushed. would love to see that devasting romulan ufp war

my overall rank for star trek will be (mind you i will be bias regarding tos like it or not i'm coming from a newer generation and also not including tas that i haven't see):
a TNG
B DS9 (sadly for most of season 1-2 i could only give c , most of the time i fall asleep oh the stiff performance ,which more feel like watching a drama than tv show, of a siddig and avery brooks didn't help either.
B- TOS and ENT
C VOY

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Elmofongo: Now I saw Wrath of Khan again. Still awesome as I remember ;)

blotunga: Am I the only one who loved both DS9 and B5?