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Posted July 07, 2016
Which side are you on, boy?



<span class="bold">Black Moon Chronicles</span>, an epic fantasy RTS about choosing the right ally and going to war, is available now, DRM-free on GOG.com.

Wismerhill is not a hero, yet when he comes into possession of a small kingdom, he knows he must become one and fast. War is brewing and the half-elf must choose who to side with, in order to ensure that the kingdom of Garundel does not get swallowed whole by the tidal waves of history.
Wismerhill can fight alongside one of four factions, each with its own personality, units, and unique advantages. Throughout his adventure he will hire new soldiers, research new unit types, spells, and abilities, fortify his castle, and pit his regiments against those of his enemies. Preparation for battle is key, but the tactical decisions you make during the real-time combat may prove to be of equal -if not greater- importance. Will you manage to maintain, and perhaps even expand the kingdom of Garundel amidst the chaos?


Guide an upstart king towards greatness and rewrite the <span class="bold">Black Moon Chronicles</span>, DRM-free on GOG.com.
Posted July 09, 2016
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Thiev: Minimal requirements are based on what the game was tested on. We don't explicitly say that the game won't work otherwise but we won't support it either.
I'm curious what kind of PC you use for your tests that it has a 1 GHz CPU and 4 GB of RAM? ;)

In case you don't use a real system but a VM it really shouldn't be that hard to use more reasonable values for the tests of older games and not raise the bar that high. Many old systems do not even have 1 GB of RAM, not to talk about 4 GB.

Please test older games with lower system requirements.

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igrok: I tired it in crossover 15.1.0. It works after installing .NET 4. I also have the music after using winmm override (which I think would require patching the game in normal wine - this seems to be a common issue with several Windows games from GOG). However, it is very sluggish on my notebook's intel graphic card (GM45), and the sound stutters. I haven't tried completing missions/skirmish yet, so I can't say whether it works beyond the first few minutes of gameplay.
Thanks for testing and reporting the result!

So with some effort the game at least runs, but it doesn't sound like it's much fun to play it.
Post edited July 09, 2016 by eiii
Posted July 09, 2016
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Bethezer:
Yeah. Thinking of both people who just have old computers as their primary ones and those who have very old ones perhaps specifically for old games. I guess OS-wise it won't work for those still having computers running Win 98 just for compatibility issues, as GOG was from the get go meant to make older games work on XP and above, so their versions are not tested on those older ones, but in some cases there are hardware or driver issues as well, so they should probably have a circa-2000 PC there, say a Pentium III around 1 GHz with 128 or at most 256 Mb RAM and a GeForce 2 or similar, slap XP on it and test stuff originally released around that time or earlier. That should be a given. And then, if not something in between the two as well, another one for 32-bit Win 7, say a Core 2 Duo at about 3 GHz, 2 Gb RAM and some GeForce 200-series card or similar, for games between early-mid 2000s and around 2010.
Post edited July 09, 2016 by Cavalary
Posted July 09, 2016
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Bethezer:
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Cavalary: Yeah. Thinking of both people who just have old computers as their primary ones and those who have very old ones perhaps specifically for old games. I guess OS-wise it won't work for those still having computers running Win 98 just for compatibility issues, as GOG was from the get go meant to make older games work on XP and above, so their versions are not tested on those older ones, but in some cases there are hardware or driver issues as well, so they should probably have a circa-2000 PC there, say a Pentium III around 1 GHz with 128 or at most 256 Mb RAM and a GeForce 2 or similar, slap XP on it and test stuff originally released around that time or earlier. That should be a given. And then, if not something in between the two as well, another one for 32-bit Win 7, say a Core 2 Duo at about 3 GHz, 2 Gb RAM and some GeForce 200-series card or similar, for games between early-mid 2000s and around 2010.
I have almost the latter setting, with difference to the OS and video card <because the previous one burned>... But well... I also doubt that Tech. Support would adamantly refuse to help. Especially because of laughable requirements for and old game.
Posted July 09, 2016
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eiii: So with some effort the game at least runs, but it doesn't sound like it's much fun to play it.
Actually after lowering the graphical settings to 640x480 it is quite playable even on my (rather old) laptop. I completed a few missions without any issues so far, apart from some noise in voice audio.
Posted July 09, 2016
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Bethezer:
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Cavalary: Yeah. Thinking of both people who just have old computers as their primary ones and those who have very old ones perhaps specifically for old games. I guess OS-wise it won't work for those still having computers running Win 98 just for compatibility issues, as GOG was from the get go meant to make older games work on XP and above, so their versions are not tested on those older ones, but in some cases there are hardware or driver issues as well, so they should probably have a circa-2000 PC there, say a Pentium III around 1 GHz with 128 or at most 256 Mb RAM and a GeForce 2 or similar, slap XP on it and test stuff originally released around that time or earlier. That should be a given. And then, if not something in between the two as well, another one for 32-bit Win 7, say a Core 2 Duo at about 3 GHz, 2 Gb RAM and some GeForce 200-series card or similar, for games between early-mid 2000s and around 2010.
Right, I agree that an early to mid-2000s computer with average specs for the time should be in GOG's lower-end testing arsenal.
Post edited July 09, 2016 by chevkoch
Posted July 09, 2016
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eiii: Has anyone tried to run the GOG version of this game under Linux/Wine?
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igrok: I tired it in crossover 15.1.0. It works after installing .NET 4. I also have the music after using winmm override (which I think would require patching the game in normal wine - this seems to be a common issue with several Windows games from GOG). However, it is very sluggish on my notebook's intel graphic card (GM45), and the sound stutters. I haven't tried completing missions/skirmish yet, so I can't say whether it works beyond the first few minutes of gameplay.
Have you tried enabling CSMT (aka "Performance Enhanced Graphics) in CrossOver? te_lanus tested it in WINE 1.5.13 and encountered similar performance issues, but enabling CSMT apparently helped:

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_judas_does_this_run_in_wine_thread_v1173/post109
Post edited July 09, 2016 by rampancy
Posted July 09, 2016
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rampancy: Have you tried enabling CSMT (aka "Performance Enhanced Graphics) in CrossOver? te_lanus tested it in WINE 1.5.13 and encountered similar performance issues, but enabling CSMT apparently helped:
Yeah, I have it switched on. Unfortunately some games (like SiN or Expendable) have terrible video performance in WINE with integrated video, however, as I already wrote, with this game lowering the resolution made the performance good.
Posted July 09, 2016
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igrok: Actually after lowering the graphical settings to 640x480 it is quite playable even on my (rather old) laptop. I completed a few missions without any issues so far, apart from some noise in voice audio.
That sounds good. :) I can live with a 640x480 resolution when it makes the game playable.

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rampancy: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_judas_does_this_run_in_wine_thread_v1173/post109
I missed that second Judas™ thread. Thanks for the reference!
Post edited July 09, 2016 by eiii
Posted July 09, 2016
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Thiev: Minimal requirements are based on what the game was tested on. We don't explicitly say that the game won't work otherwise but we won't support it either.
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eiii: I'm curious what kind of PC you use for your tests that it has a 1 GHz CPU and 4 GB of RAM? ;)
...and XP installed...:-P

Seriously - few weeks ago GOG released Parkan (game from 1997) and it was tested on machine with 1GB RAM - so whose idea was to set up min. requirements for Black Moon on 4GB...

And one more thing - if I buy this game and it doesn't run on my 2GB machine - will GOG's support refuse to help me coz I don't meet min requirements? ..Sigh....
Post edited July 09, 2016 by tburger
Posted July 10, 2016
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tburger: Seriously - few weeks ago GOG released Parkan (game from 1997) and it was tested on machine with 1GB RAM - so whose idea was to set up min. requirements for Black Moon on 4GB...
There are several games in GOGs catalog with memory requirements of 256, 128 or even 32 MB (Airline Tycoon Deluxe) which hopefully have been tested too. Only two months ago GOG could release Kathy Rain which requires 128 MB of RAM. And now they suddenly can test on a system with 4 GB of RAM only?
Post edited July 10, 2016 by eiii
Posted July 10, 2016
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eiii: There are several games in GOGs catalog with memory requirements of 256, 128 or even 32 MB (Airline Tycoon Deluxe) which hopefully have been tested too. Only two months ago GOG could release Kathy Rain which requires 128 MB of RAM. And now they suddenly can test on a system with 4 GB of RAM only?
I'm sure Kathy Rain got the requirements from the dev, being a new game, regardless of what it was tested on, so that doesn't change things. Definitely doesn't explain why they don't have or at the very least emulate a system more suited for older games anymore though.
And it actually says some more things about where GOG keeps going really, if you want to put it that way. Not that it's news for anyone.
Posted July 10, 2016
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eiii: snip
Let's just hope it wont be a new 'standard' for incoming classic releases...
Posted July 10, 2016
Nah, doubt it. Like I said - I would be suprised if they really would refuse to help.
Posted July 11, 2016
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Cavalary: And it actually says some more things about where GOG keeps going really, if you want to put it that way. Not that it's news for anyone.
Sadly, yes.

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tburger: Let's just hope it wont be a new 'standard' for incoming classic releases...
Hopefully they also review the system requirements for this game some day.
Posted July 11, 2016
So this is a good game then, it's not another "Pretty graphics, bad gameplay" one like Atlantis series?
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