@all - I've changed my mind on claim order. cristi can claim 2nd/3rd, but if we're voting on this I'd much prefer to see stan or nacho claim first. tyvm.
So then what's your bleedin' point?!?
Heh, I was going to ask you nicely to make a case, but that was prior to seeing post 1852 at which point I probably wouldn't have bothered asking.
But I am actually quite comforted by 1854. Thanks. :) Insane as it is, I don't think I'll vote yogs today.
FWIW, here was my initial response to Tammy's question to yogs about brasas that I wrote an hourish ago but did not post until yogs had responded more:
That's not how it happened yogs unless he did not record vote counts as they happened. Nacho was on dess not too much longer after I was, which means that brasas actually voted dess somewhat early and stayed on when the wagon grew and when you guys protested munching a wolf day one by deciding a no lynch was the better route. He didn't jump on the wagon at deadline.
In saying that brasas ran interference for the lynch and that being your only case you're also missing people like cristi and stanari who did also run interference on dess and who in one case didn't vote dess and the other actually did jump on at the end of day when we were headed toward a no lynch.
I think yogs overstated his case slightly, but I think you miss key mechanics of the EOD. Go back and look at cristi's EOD sequence (or mine) again.
TLDR version - At the time brasas got on (#1239, Sept 22), his vote made it 4 Dess / 6 babs. He also repeatedly made the pitch that people not on either of the main wagons get on one, and to my eyes was noncommittal on why others should choose dess over babs. If anything, he put his finger on the scale against others joining the dess lynch "Ho hum, Dess is my second towniest read!"
(after bler, who I hear is both awesome and totally townie).
Why is he voting his 2nd towniest pick on the shorter wagon over his not-2nd towniest pick with a longer wagon? PR, perhaps. No one pressed him.
If he was assuming 8 to lynch (I was - 15 players at that point), statistically, that wins him solid distancing while still making it more likely babs will go down then dess. It's win/win. He's embedded enough that he looks townie if Dess flips scum, but still, all things being equal with the temperature in the room, a reasonable bet babs is the lynch instead.
In that same post he also suggests votes on RW move off. If RW/Dess flip town, Brasas’ play looks quite town for laying out a pragmatic solution to EOD stagnation. But they didn't. Both of them. The result then looks pretty curious if you look closer.
That’s a “strong” vote, but with a weak-ass reason, and a concomitant push that’s as/more liable to go away from the Dess wagon than toward it.
In terms of other distancing, I noted a few things. I don't have my dess notes here at work, but the biggest imo was when Stan first proposed a Dess wagon as an alternative to the gamestate in 1092, brasas was very critical
. I think there were a few other points as well.
So while I'm disappointed yogs didn't actually lay out a case, what he's saying about brasas/dess is fundamentally true imo.
Don't lose sight of that just because two of the votes ahead of Brasas when he joined that wagon later bailed."