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RWarehall: and if this game has similarities...
I'm ignoring the rest for now, but since a lot of you seem to take the above as gospel, how does this reconcile with "kill one of them, that will verify the other"?

And if you're basically doing a coin toss based on the previous game, at least be honest about it.
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DarkoD13: post test
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Lifthrasil: So, either you both are scum and you hesitate to make a solid statement because you want to avoid contradictions with what meda wrote. Especially because you don't have a day-chat according to the mod.
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DarkoD13: I enjoy that you would throw the lack of a day-chat out there as a possibility. Wouldn't verifying that be the easiest thing ever? Did you ever ask for proof or were you OK with the ambiguity?

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Lifthrasil: but gain a confirmation of Darko
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DarkoD13: How would that work exactly?

Can't quote trent for whatever reason.

"No one except you can confirm her claim and you have made it clear her claim is not legit because y'all are not Masons together. So what would you have us do when she's been misleading us with her claim?"

Maybe not vote for the person another player says it's extremely unlikely to be scum because of her power? That's more than I can say about any of you. I don't know how her power is explained by the mod in he PMs, I only have access to quicktopic.

I suspect that some townies are voting for her simply out of frustration, thinking she broke the flow of the game. While the play is unconventional, it's not her fault quad disappeared when he did. The day-chat shows them being on the same page on the confirmation thing, but at least on quad's side, I assume it was always mostly because of mechanics.
I have not voted her yet because I've been trying to make an informed decision. She keeps dodging questions on the issue and when I try to find out exactly what she meant by breaking it down she accuses me of being scum for twisting things, and that's another outright lie because I have not twisted anything. So look at this from the perspective of someone who does not have the information you do and then tell me how I should react to meda with how she's handled all this.
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RWarehall: and if this game has similarities...
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DarkoD13: I'm ignoring the rest for now, but since a lot of you seem to take the above as gospel, how does this reconcile with "kill one of them, that will verify the other"?

And if you're basically doing a coin toss based on the previous game, at least be honest about it.
So, let's see...
You are continuing the trend of ignoring the question that is being asked of you.
IF I vote Meda it will be for lying. Her statements have been grossly inconsistent. It seems she is trying very hard to "confirm" herself. Funny how you characterize this as a "coin flip".

You are the one claiming its "extremely unlikely" she is anything but Town. I'll ask again, are you basing this on anything other than the fact she added you to a chat?
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RWarehall: I'll ask again, are you basing this on anything other than the fact she added you to a chat?
Yes.

Also, with all due respect, fuck right off. I joined yesterday, got bombarded and answered everything to the best of my ability. Still haven't received a reply to my main question and I doubt I ever will, which leaves me unable to make sense of what happened and hopefully move on to scumhunting.
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I said coin toss as in you heard 2 players had a day-chat and based on the previous game you assume it's a town/mafia pairing. Nothing funny about it.
Post edited August 14, 2017 by DarkoD13
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RWarehall: I'll ask again, are you basing this on anything other than the fact she added you to a chat?
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DarkoD13: Yes.

Also, with all due respect, fuck right off. I joined yesterday, got bombarded and answered everything to the best of my ability. Still haven't received a reply to my main question and I doubt I ever will, which leaves me unable to make sense of what happened and hopefully move on to scumhunting.
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I said coin toss as in you heard 2 players had a day-chat and based on the previous game you assume it's a town/mafia pairing. Nothing funny about it.
And fuck you too! With all due respect. You seem to ignore that it isn't just two people having a day chat. It's Meda claiming she has a Mason partner. Then changing it to she made it happen. To calling it 100% confirmed, that both her and Quad/you are sure you are both Town to each other. But when it comes to the power not working on Lift, even though she's 100% sure you are Town through a power that supposedly confirms the other as Town, he's #2 on her town list.

Yet you want to call all of us who are actually trying to figure things out as just resorting to a coin toss...
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RWarehall: Let me point out that last game, the two pairings were both 1 scum/1 town and if this game has similarities...
K.
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RWarehall: and if this game has similarities...
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DarkoD13: I'm ignoring the rest for now, but since a lot of you seem to take the above as gospel, how does this reconcile with "kill one of them, that will verify the other"?
This game is similar. Not the same. I dont think the other game should have any major weight at all to this one. The only way it should have major weight is if it was the majority was the same not just some similar things(imo). But what we do not know yet is how similar it maybe or how different so its still a anything is possible situation.

I also want to ask why you are ignoring decent questions that you could of taken the time to answer?
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Sage103082: I also want to ask why you are ignoring decent questions that you could of taken the time to answer?
Such as?
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RWarehall: Let me point out that last game, the two pairings were both 1 scum/1 town and if this game has similarities...
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DarkoD13: K.
Oh wow. Big K with a period. Never a good thing. This is my FU response when someone pisses me off.


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RWarehall: Ok, I'll bite. What makes it extremely unlikely? What information do you have regarding this power which makes it more alignment indicative?
I see your have said yes as im reading down but I have not seen an explanation or anything. Look at it from someone elses side (beside meda). Would this be something you would want to know?

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DarkoD13: Still haven't received a reply to my main question and I doubt I ever will, which leaves me unable to make sense of what happened and hopefully move on to scumhunting.
Was this question to us or the mod? If us can you link to it?
Post edited August 14, 2017 by Sage103082
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DarkoD13: snip
Here's another direct question:
Is this push for Lift's character name coming from you or at the suggestion of Meda?
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Sage103082: Was this question to us or the mod? If us can you link to it?
To Lift. About his name.

The hypocrisy is that me asking that is unacceptable, while you're asking me questions that go far beyond simple names.
It's not my job to claim for other people and if meda has really given up I don't really see a point in going into it more deeply.



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RWarehall: Is this push for Lift's character name coming from you or at the suggestion of Meda?
I am my own person. The little discussion that has taken place was mostly me understanding the nature of the chat and whether I had any suspects.
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Sage103082: Was this question to us or the mod? If us can you link to it?
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DarkoD13: To Lift. About his name.

The hypocrisy is that me asking that is unacceptable, while you're asking me questions that go far beyond simple names.
It's not my job to claim for other people and if meda has really given up I don't really see a point in going into it more deeply.

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RWarehall: Is this push for Lift's character name coming from you or at the suggestion of Meda?
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DarkoD13: I am my own person. The little discussion that has taken place was mostly me understanding the nature of the chat and whether I had any suspects.
For some reason I thought Lift has mentioned that his name would give away to much of the role. But I must be wrong as I am starting a re-read and lifts first two posts were about if he should say his name or not.

Is this change some of the reason for your wanting to know his name?
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Sage103082: Is this change some of the reason for your wanting to know his name?
No. It has entirely to do with why meda wouldn't be able to use her power on him. Could be something, could be nothing, still can't ignore it.
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Sage103082: Is this change some of the reason for your wanting to know his name?
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DarkoD13: No. It has entirely to do with why meda wouldn't be able to use her power on him. Could be something, could be nothing, still can't ignore it.
How would just his name tell you anything to that effect?
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DarkoD13: ....
My main issue stems from meda saying y'all are Masons and confirmed town, yet you are saying Mason is not correct. How are we suppose to take that? Just believe that both y'all are confirmed town and move on when what meda has claimed is not accurate?

I know you were thrown into a tough spot and I'm not trying to frustrate you further than you already are but, as I asked you earlier, look at this situation as someone who does not have the information you have and tell me how we should take everything that has transpired with meda. She's lied and refused to answer questions, that does not inspire confidence in what she has to say.

So now let's say I believe you and meda, you believe we should be looking at Lift. Is that because when meda tried to recruit him as she claims it was not possible or is there something he's said that's raised your suspicion? If it's the latter what is it?