hit post before I meant to and so had to go back and edit, did so before your post!

Cool, I saw the RW fix, but thought you missed the other part.

OK. We're in a bad spot now. The deadline window just started and scum managed to put me in the spotlight enough that a visit by investigators to me tonight is more likely that a NK attempt by scum. So far I had hoped to pull a NK with my hints of a PR. And so far only somewhat scummy players were voting me, so I thought town roles might be safe. But now, with trent joining the train, I think I have to protect our power roles.

So here the claim that meda and Darko were pushing for comes: I am Lou Diddle Lynn, Paranoid Bodyguard Father. I am father of Floretta and Candice and I'm married to Dolly-Dee. Yes, paranoid works as in 'Paranoid Gun Owner' - which is why I felt the need to warn the town power roles, after having been put in the spotlight like this. It is also perhaps the reason why I'm not eligible as Neighbor: no one can visit me at night. Which would make neigborizing difficult. But that is speculation. drealmer, of course, can't comment on this since he can't confirm or deny that meda has taken any action at all. That would be gamebreaking so we postponed any role-mechanics discussions to after the game.

So, congratulations on successfully flushing out one of our power roles, Darko and meda! And meda, IF you are town, congratulations again: that was THE worst town play EVER! With this going back and forth and false statements ... But if you are scum, well, it still was a stupid gamble, but at least you got something for it.

My guess is, meda tried some neighborizing action on me to try to sell it as 'Masons' - and when the neighborizing failed, she tried to make something out of it. In any case she still looks very bad - and Darko by association too. Darko, would you please explain now, why my NAME was so important to you?

This actually really helps put things into perspective. Thank you.

Talking a bit more about the meda/Darko coupling. There are four possibilities. Town/Town, Scum/Town, Town/Scum, Scum/Scum. Let's go through them. (with 'Scum' being any anti-town including neutrals for the matter of these scenarios)

Town/town: meda says she mazonised Quad and that Quad/Darko would be able to confirm her 100%. Darko denies this. That means one of them is lying. Town shouldn't lie and by now the importance of not lying should be apparent even to meda, so the town/town scenario only makes sense if one of the two is intentionally trying to lose. Unlikely.

Meda=scum/Darko=town: that would mean meda neighborized Quad in an attempt to sell 'Neighboring' as town-confirmation. It's a valid attempt but Darko didn't fall completely for it and didn't confirm her as town but just confirmed, that they have a Daychat. Sensible scenario.

Meda=town/Darko=scum: mazonizing is out of the question, since that should fail on scum. So town-meda neighborized Quad and called it mazonizing erroneously. Why? Scum Darko wouldn't confirm her as town, obviously, he could just play it like he would as town. Confirming that they have a Daychat. But would scum-Darko stress that meda is very likely town? Probably not, but WIFOM. So: possible scenario, but in my opinion less likely than scenario 2.

Meda=scum/Darko=scum: meda tried a gamble, claiming she had mazonized her scum-buddy Quad. Quad doesn't catch on in time and first denies being a Mason with her (missing Daychat=no coordination). Later he catches on and tries to save what is saveable by stating a wishi-washi 'confirmation' of her. Then he disappears, because he doesn't know how to play this and is frustrated. Darko steps in and finds himself in a very bad situation. If he confirms being Mason and meda is reveales as scum, he is revealed as scum too. He can't risk that. So he does the next best thing and throws as many town points at meda as he can, without tying himself to her completely. "Yes, she is very likely town. But we are not Masons. We just have a Daychat, but things there make me quite confident she is town. But look! Lifth hasn't told us his name *nudge,nudge,distract*" - which leaves him room to distance himself from his scumbuddy later, should she be revealed. All in all a likely scenario.

In this case, of course, meda and Darko would not actually have a Daychat. But Darko's 'proof' doesn't prove anything anyhow, if both are lying. Meda can just write anything and Darko will confirm 'Yes, that's totally what I wrote in the Daychat'. It is just not possible to prove a Daychat between two players who are both lying and both want to 'prove' the Daychat. Which is, incidentally, why I didn't ask for such a proof, Darko. Asking for impossible things isn't very productive.

So, as a summary: both IMO likely scenarios have meda as scum. One of them has Darko as scum too. Both scenarios that would have meda as town would also require her to be a very, very bad player. I don't think she is THAT bad. So I rather believe she is scum / something else anti-town. My preferred vote stays on her. But considering that we already are in the Deadline window, I would also be willing to switch to Gamma or Darko, if necessary to avoid a no-lynch. Both have a reasonable chance of being scum too, with the way they played.

Meant to tack this onto the start f the last post, oops
What
Also I've seen town roles that need to know specific players flavor to work. To the bolded in the main paragraph:
So after calling my conclusions into question you come to the exact same one? Color me distrusting.

Please do NOT provide examples. I want that reply from Darko himself. Don't give him valid ideas how to explain his push for my name. ;-)

However, you are right about trent. That 180° in his opinion is strange. Perhaps my 'leaning slightly town' read on him was wrong after all. I disagreed with the "scum wouldn't play that bad, so she must be town" 'logic' when you used it and it doesn't get any better when trent uses it.

P.S. sorry, just noticed we aren't in the Deadline window yet. It's 11 pm and not am and it's eastern US time. So we have some breathing space before the window starts. But still, please try to participate more, as soon as the day starts in your time-zone and try to make up your mind whom you are willing to vote for.

Please show me exactly where I called your conclusions into question because that didn't happen from me. Not sure who you're thinking of.

I hate the PGO role and claim. The part that sucks for us is we can't verify your claim.

For now
Unvote Lift


@darko, Lift gave you his name dies this help you at all because I don't know what the hell to think anymore.

My post 127, 5 days ago, lays out my logic for suspecting and voting Lift. I've been reading the game since then and saw no reason to change my logic or vote. But now, Lift's most recent post and claim of PGO explains to my satisfaction why he could not be masonized or neighborized (more likely) by Meda. BEFORE reading his post, as I lay awake thinking about the game last night, I was going to repost 127 this morning, saying my thinking had not changed since 127, and plead with others to vote Lift as we approach the deadline. But with Lift's recent posts and claim, I think our best option is to

Unvote Lift

Vote Meda
L-1 I think.

If she is scum, we lynch scum and maybe understand her behavior up to now. That also frees Dark, I think, since if they are both scum they couldn't have daychat.

If she is town, maybe her role description will explain something of her strange behavior and either point at Dark or not. A few others still lean scummy for me, but I don't see how their lynches will tell us much of anything at this point whereas lynching Meda and seeing her role description SHOULD help us understand some of what's been going on (and not going on) so far in the game.

Never wanted your role; stopped pushing for your name a while ago; never went back and forth with false statements, you guys just didn't understand a simple statement because the first time (with you) it got messed up. Now that I know your character name it makes total sense why. Darko for whatever reason is being weird and doesn't understand the mechanics of us being conf!town but whatever lol. You're also conf!town now as far as I'm concerned, so the scumpool is down to 7 slots.
Vote: oldwino


1. Hunter65536
2. RWarehall
3. trentonlf
4. Sage103082
5. CSPVG
8. GammaEmerald
9. oldwino

How are you reading each of these Lift?



Oh my lord. Lift, my friend, you are lost waaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy deep in a tunnel here.

Thanks!
Well, I even have meda giving me shit now, funniest game I've ever played, I'll say that. :D
I can't speak to your alignment/role, but with you being the Lynn daddy it makes sense that her power wouldn't work on you, since she is in your family.
That's all I ever wanted to know, the rest is on you.


My question is to meda now. Do you actually want to survive? You voted for yourself, do you remember that? You are at L-1 and you don't seem to care that much, I'm not particularly inclined to play for both of us, hence my semi-casual attitude so far. Maybe the whole confirmed thing upset you, sorry I guess, I'm not as well-versed in mechanics and balance as other people.

That said, maybe I sould have just said it's 1000% conf!town for both of us, this whole thing ate away at D1 and allowed for a portion of the playerbase to stay mostly silent.

unvote Lift

I already unvoted myself <3

I'm voting oldwino now for reasons stated in our QT!


Don't worry about it. We can still lynch scum today, Lift is 100% town so there's a really small pool of players to scumhunt in.

trent feels not as horrible as he was, RW kinda looks almost the worst tbh overall but oldwino = scum flavor and just awful content so far so I think that's a scum lynch. Hunter is kinda 50/50 for me, sage and CSPVG like 10% below null, I think Gamma is probably town in the end?


I know I'm waffling on Gamma but his last post or the post before that felt really genuine.

I saw the oldwino thing, don't really have an opinion on it, but I don't see any unvote? You just voted oldwino on top of your old vote? Unless it doesn't work like this in this game.