As I said, why be so erratic as scum?
As for what you think masonizer does, I'm going by what happens in Making Friends and Enemies. In that setup the mason doesn't die but the recruit fails if it hits mafia.
Only reasons I can think of for the masonizer failing right now are "target was mafia", "target was ascetic", or "drealmerz decided to imitate a certain stupid masonizer style". If it's the third I personally give up on any form of logic involving how drealmerz thinks.
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Until we actually know how this role is SUPPOSED to work.

Not really relevant but you're thinking of a Weak role there at least according to MS standards; shot would only fail if it anti-town, not kill anyone - the lack of a recruit would confirm the target as scum (or roleblocked).

@Gamma the third, which I've already stated. Are you not reading?

*îf it hit

How about answering a direct question...is your power specifically named Masonizer or Mason Recruiter?

vote count / votecount / vote-count / VC - 1.05
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medamiedo - 2 - Sage103082, Hunter65536,
GammaEmerald - 2 - Lifthrasil, medamiedo,
Lifthrasil - 1 - oldwino
oldwino - 1 - trentonlf,

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I wasn't sure.
I detest drealmerz7 for adding what he added, and tbh I'm not even sure it's actually a masonize. What is this group you could recruit? I feel it's a flavor thing.

The problem is Meda is being anything but helpful. At this point, given that Meda seems not wanting to suspect Lift at all, and the way Meda is dodging my questions, her power was not named Masonizer or Mason Recruiter.

Quad sure isn't helping either by being absent.

At this point I have to seriously consider the possibility that this was some sort of crazy scum ploy on Meda's part. That without day chat, Quad was going WTF and is avoiding us because he cannot come up with a good response. This gets compounded by the idea that Meda keeps crying for protection when at this point, she's at best Vanilla town that nobody seems to trust. Certainly not the "confirmed town" that scum has to target.

Really would like to hear your thoughts on everything meda is saying because she seems to avoid answering RW's direct questions on the matter.

Why did you say this?

What did you mean by finding out who your real mason bud is? You said that you picked Quad to be masonized after lift failed so you should know who is your mason bud

Why did you change your stance on this?

Do you remember the murder on the wing game? (Game #38) To be more specific, your day action which limited what someone can say? Just curious, would that be too far fetched to be at play now?

Anything is possible, but I took Quad's response earlier more as a frustration thing than a limitation thing. Will have to see what he says when he logs on.

Gamma, hun, I weren't joking when I said that meda set me to thinking of a certain fella I used to see 'round these parts. I don't know as you ever did see him, but he tried something similar to what I said I done suspect may be goin' on, and it weren't any fun.

Now, where I'm at:

Trent - The usual from ole Trenty. A lot of what he says could go either way, but he done always had a mighty temper on him at times, and I think it leads him to say things or do things that ain't bad but seem it. Willin' to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Quadr & meda - The former ain't said much, and so much hinges on him doin' so. Someone give him a prod with the elbow, good like - The ribs! He needs to come outta that anger induced coma o' his.

As said above, I can see meda's situation from a certain side, as this situation feels mighty similar to me. Then again, I might just be over thinkin' it. I mean, I ain't to smart at the best of times, but I do got my fair share of paranoia. As I see it, though, there's not just the issue o' whether or not their bein' truthful. Assume that what meda is sayin' is true; even so, by tellin' everyone that Lifth was targeted by this 'power' of his, but that he can't be 'turned' for whatever reason, then - why, ya'll, it pains me to say it - meda has still hurt us all a little. Maybe Lifth can't be 'turned' as he has some sorta power, and now whoever hurt us is in the know.

Still inclined to say that votin' one of these three is the most likely outcome o' this day, personally.

RWarehall - Seems a mite reserved, mostly hammerin' home the same - albeit important - question and otherwise not not contributing, but sittin' on the sidelines. Not overtly a bad 'un, but not necessarily a goodie neither.

Lastly (for now), I can't shake that I think Hunter is weird and Sage is - with my full understandin' - a mite too quiet. Ain't sure what, if anythin', I can do with Gamma - whose talk is of a different style than I'm used tah - and oldwino.

iirc Quad confirmed he was masonized?
Also at this point I'm like 90% on meda's role being a similar thing to what was used in the rerun of real folk blues on mafiascum. I can link the game if you care to see for yourself but there was a mason-like role that could only recruit certain flavors.

Quad said he knew what meda was doing but did not elaborate further: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gold_miner_laughter_forum_mafia_50/post99

Plus RW has asked Quad specific questions that I'm also wanting to know the answer to as well.

As of this post I don't trust either but that's the game. Oldwino has my eye raised a bit more than gama. My reason is his mention of his role and there is no way to know if he made a mistake or if his role is different from the old game.

I am starting my catch up and will be posting any more in one post when I am caught up in a bit.

First two lines are I made a list but I am not going to share it. Why bring it up then?

I can see your stance on the best way to figure this out for sure is kill one. However, I think some people play with more their heart then logic and that might make this hard to impossible.

RW seems rightly upset with no answers or even repsonses at all.

oldwino jumps right on RW point and adds players who are not contributing to the pool as well. But then, makes sure to mention he feels bad for his vote. (I am not liking this at all).

actually I think you are wrong here. I think your coming out and claiming this right now actually hurts us. It gives them more of a idea on who to go after role wise. You just took two options out of the mix of people who are after power roles.

I agree with you on note voting Meda right now. There are some things that have a hint of my role. No where near major but some small pieces that blend into mine too. So I can not keep my vote on meda

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I have a feeling we will learn more in day two.

I would like to hear the answer to this too.

I can see this as I have said but where you are willing to lynch meda and not Quad. Why keep the one who is not talking and helping over the one that is if it is proven true.

I really am not a fan of meda not answering my questions to her. Its not good to pick and choose when to answer unless you are trying to hide and dont want to answer it.

Just got home from work, but to me more clear, when I speak of seriously considering the possibility the whole thing is a scum ploy, I meant that as a counter-point to the possibility that the mason thing could be true. At this point, I don't know what to think about this mess since I cannot get a straight answer.

This is compounded by Meda's read list which places Lift as her 2nd townliest despite the idea that two of the possible reason Lift couldn't be "Masonized" is that he could be scum or 3rd party. All in all, i look at the totality of Meda's posts and I find nothing useful given all the inconsistency and hyperbole.

As to why not Quad, I can put it simply...
Quad's first reaction to Meda was that she was lying and said so. He did a reluctant reversal of some sort later on, but all-in-all, I find his few posts to be more consistent. Now whether I'd join a Quad lynch for other reasons like lurking is a whole other story...

...but Meda is the one throwing off the red flags right now and without Quad saying anything really in her defense outside of something very vague, the only one proclaiming Meda's 100% townliness is Meda. If we go by that standard, I guess we have to believe O.J. when he calls himself 100% not guilty too.