Ugh, I hate tooth pain! I hope you feel better soon!

Good morning!! Quadr can confirm when he gets in thread next.

I tried to masonize Lift because he was (is) my top scumread and it failed, mod couldn't tell me why it failed but it did; I posted that he was my mason right after I told the mod I wanted to masonize him, didn't think it would fail obviously. If he's a certain character it might make sense why it failed but I don't know, he's scum regardless; the way that he's been hedging and posturing is really scummy and he's making wallposts without saying anything at all; his treatment of me has been really superficial.

trent's treatment of me has been scummy too, more so after 88, he's been kind of sitting on the sidelines without substantive comment and now is posturing on a scumread - he's perfectly justified in his take but he's literally contributed nothing in the process. I don't love his take on oldwino; he hasn't engaged with that at all beyond "claimed a role that was scum before, must be scum now".

oldwino's 75 felt kind of genuine if completely wrong; tentatively don't think he'd display that kind of attitude and make that post if he were scum who had actually just scumslipped; I like the emphasis in the post.

Everyone else is pretty meh.

Oh. That's actually really cool. Didn't think we'd have a guilty d1, and kinda upset that we're already out of natural voting phase and into lynch the guilty phase. Still pretty fantastic.
Vote: Lifthrasil

Any idea what meda is talking about now?

You say she is a good player so a half baked attempt at taking the heat off of oldwino is off the table and her other explanation makes even less sense to me. I wouldn't hardclaim unless there's serious pressure and definitely wouldn't if I wasn't 100 percent sure of the accuracy of what I am saying. I still think she is lying but if Quadr comes back with something new I might be willing to reconsider.

What do you mean by 'masonize'? Usually Masons know each other at the start of the game. That's the point of that role. Do you mean to imply that you are
1. a Mason-Cult leader, who can invite other players into the Masonry?
2. you have Day-Actions?
3. and more than one attempt per Day at that?

I find that VERY hard to believe and it also raises an eyebrow, that Gamma took your quite unbelievable 'explanation' at face value.

Perhaps next time, before claiming a role, next time you should read up on what the role actually means and how it works: Mason

Of course it is possible that drealmer introduced some role that does not appear on MafiaWiki and called it Mason. But considering that drealmer explicitely stated that this would be a non-bastard game with no exaggerated shenaningans I find a Mason-Cult-Leader with multiple Day-Actions very very unlikely. It is much more likely that you are full of shit, tried some stupid gamble which failed and are scum or other anti-town.

Well I'm expecting her to say that mod messed up this time and "masonized" Gamma instead of Quad. :P

When you're done fuming, please explain more. Do you say that you have been 'masonized' now, after your last post?

Not really convinced but now there is a way to confirm what meda was saying. If we lynch Quadr and he flips Mason we have a confirmed town (meda) and a possible scum. (Lift as per meda's failure to masonize him) Still having multiple day actions just seems weird.
What do the others think? Is this course of action worth considering?

Unvote medamiedo

???
There's no guilty on Lift. I don't know why my shot failed which is why I need him to claim his character name. As far as I know right now there's no relevance to Lift's alignment in my shot having failed.
It does raise an eyebrow yes. I have a day action that makes me confirmed town to anyone I choose, hence masonize.

What are your reads on the rest of the board?
Someone else claimed a day action?

Hunter, PLEASE tell me you didn't just recommend that we lynch Quadr here...

This is all really bizarre. I read the wiki on roles, found masonizer under the neighborizer explanation, but no where can I find where neighborizing or masonizing fails unless scum is targeted, yet Meda says LIth wasn't scum and her attempt to masonize him failed for some unknown reason. But I don't know how Meda would know, or be told by the mod, that Lith wasn't scum.

@Meda, how do you know Lith isn't scum if your masoning him failed? If you don't have an explanation, I have to think Lith is scum.

Also, there's no mention of multiple day actions for one player (Meda trying to masonize another player after her first masonizing attempt failed) anywhere in the wiki that I could find. I don't know Meda but have to believe no one would try a gambit this complex especially if they were scum. I hope more experienced players have some explanation. In the meantime,
unvote meda
but I MAY put my vote back there or on Lith if explanations aren't forthcoming.in the next 12 hours.

@ Meda - How can you know there's no guilty on Lith when your masonizing action failed? I thought only a cop could investigate like that.

You did, when you said there was a failed action on lift and then another on Quadr which succeeded. Generally if an action fails then that would be it in my limited experience with Mafia.
If lift's alignment is not something that caused your action to fail then my previous post about Quadr makes no sense now.
Why did you claim without being pressured to do so though? What was that plan you said you'd explain?

The more logical choice would be to lynch Lift and if he flips scum we know meda was not lying and we have two confirmed townies. The question is can Lift still be town and not be able to be a Mason.