You mean you think he admitted to being scum instead of claiming doctor because he thought the real doctor will be exposed?

Yes, an exposed town doctor is a pretty scary thought for scum.

Look at the reactions to blotunga's post

blotunga (307): ZFR was targetted.

Reactions:
SPF 308, Trent 309, dedo 312, ZFR 314, HSL 318

All reactions were along the lines of "huh? what on earth are you talking about?" or similar. Which is the way I'd expect a normal person to react: ask for an explanation.

But then comes scene's reaction. He's not asking blotunga questions. He's not asking for an explanation. He's straight away accusing blotunga and he's sure that blotunga is scum.
This supposedly from scene who on D1 was turning over a new leaf to not jump too quickly to accusations

That's why I can't help but think that it's possible scene knows too I was targeted and is either bussing a buddy or implicating a townie.

So @everyone: putting aside blotunga's slip for a while, what do you think of scene's reaction?

It's better now, i only cough now and then, but my time is still still scarce because my little girl otitis and I'm the one staying at home with her. As for being Hungarian, can't change that ;).
@spf: i had no idea there were other factions too. So I assumed that there are only two. It's still unclear if there are other factions or not.

On the speculations of me being doctor, I wouldn't admit it anyway if I were, so the discussion is moot. Imho doctors and cops and other power roles shouldn't reveal themselves too early.

What is this a reply to? I don't remember posting anything discussing factions beyond the normal ones.

No, that was me who mentioned factions.

Yes it was scene. Sorry. I made a mistake reading them on the phone, they were very close one above the other.

No worries. I was just worried I'd said something unclear that had room for that interpretation.

I have a new question for you. If you ignore blotunga for the time being, do you think it's likely I was targeted by NK in the night. Blotunga, aside.

I already share my view on this - I think this is being blown out of proportion but I'm not sure why. It may very well be Town-scene being scene and tunneling on what he actually believes is lead too good to let go or or scum-scene is trying to get through what seems to be the most viable mislynch available. Of course, it's possible that scene is Town and blotunga is scum and did slip, but from everything I've seen so far I don't find that too likely. Even less likely I find this new theory that about both being scum and scene bussing blotunga, though. That seems like a pretty big dick move considering there wasn't that much heat being put on either of them to call for such tactics. I also don't think it's likely this was concerted during N1 since I can't see why someone would give up their first game on the off-chance a not-so-great play provide Town cred to one not extremely popular player while sacrificing another.

Right now I don't think blotunga and scene are scum together. Nor ZFR and scene. I guess it's possible ZFR and scene might be scum together (ZFR is representing blotunga as a personal counselor quite passionately).

Technically, I can't pass the option where this all is a very elaborate ruse that includes all three of them - I underestimated ZFR like that once - never again. Still, this is too next-level and out there so I'd rather not consider it at all. If that happens to be the case - a tip of the hat to them.

This doesn't answer my question, unless your answer is that supplementscene got a pass because he was the first very eager one to lynch on a meagre reason (your words). Because being first makes that reason somehow less meagre?

As for Korotan, I'm having quite the trouble following what his arguments are at times, and still of the opinion that he doesn't quite understand the nature of the game and how it's played, as evidenced by exchanges they've had Today. Add the fact that they had made a handful of posts up until the one you condemned them for, and I find it interesting that you're able to read "they're following other's reasoning because they're scum" into the activity of a new to us and apparently inexperienced player. I'm still waiting to form an opinion one way or another, I will, however, say that I'm not getting a bad vibe tone-wise so far.


Did I speak of the game-thread's OP specifically or exclusively?

*checks own post*

Nope.

And if you were carefully reading the thread, you'd have noticed that Microfishd already spelled it out in their post #340 - heck, I even tipped my hat to them for not being of the "reading OPs and rules is for suckers" school in my post #373.

This - and here's your answer too, @blotunga/post #379 - is a semi-open setup with the bastard-mod element of hidden modifiers. This is public knowledge since the sign-up thread went live, and very much part of the game-thread, even if it's not spelled out specifically; this is not the first game you're in where info about the setup was given in the sign-up thread without it being repeated in the game-thread OP, and I'm not even referring to JoeSapphire's game #54. And look, it's still publicly accessible to all players of this game (and anyone & everyone else for that matter).

But nice try with the innocent tone, the implication of that last sentence in your post was a particularly nice touch. The question now is - is it as I said, or as dedoporno said?



Sounds like you admit that at least one bit of your post comes with this sort of subtext.


[emphasis added]

I guess this is a fine example of your being_vague M.O.

In case (a) the assumption seems to be that supplementscene is town, or at least non-mafia. In which case, blotunga could be any one of possible alignments, yes?
In case (b) the assumption seems to be that both of them are mafia.

What about case (c): supplementscene is mafia, blotunga non-mafia? You seem to take it into account in post #422, but you're still saying [emphasis added]

In this case, how would blotunga also know you were the NK-target?


Let's assume they're both mafia.

You read his D1 in relation to blotunga as preparation to being "the clever scum on the bussing end of it", yes? You think supplementscene would (be capable to) plan this far ahead, and do so even if it puts his team in danger? Because, what if blotunga hadn't made post #307 Today? No chance for supplementscene to be that "clever scum", and I'm not sure I see how he'd keep it up on D3, possibly D4 and so on, without endangering their team even further in the process.
Unless you want to go with this being an agreed upon during N1 plan, in which case I'm with dedoporno. I'm having a hard time seeing blotunga agreeing to sacrifice himself like that. For what gain exactly? supplementscene wasn't in a particularly good place D1 to easily gain enough town-cred to stay off people's radar till end-game, or at least a decent amount of Days.
And if blotunga didn't agree, then where does that leave his post #307? And if blotunga's post #307 isn't part of a rather ill-conceived (imho) plan, then wouldn't supplementscene's reaction, and his insistence in particular, just become a dick move from him, which brings me back to - would he make such a move and put his entire team in danger for town-cred that's questionable he'd get? I mean, do you think he's that oblivious to how he's viewed (and watched) that he thinks bussing his buddy would turn things 180 degrees in his favour?

I don't know. It's an interesting thought, but I'm not sure I can see how everything fits and works together. At least not yet. For the time, I'm with dedoporno. It seems more likely that it's either your post #415 case (a) as I read it, or my case (c) in response to your post #415. I want to do a reread/ISO, which I hope to do over the weekend.

On a side note, your first sentence looks unfinished - is that a left over from an edit, or was something meant to follow there?

In post #337 you said [emphasis added[

I asked you to elaborate, and you said you did in your post #339, and pointed me to the following part of your post where you laid out why you want to know who the intended NK-target was [emphasis added]:

Here you're saying that you just want to know who it was, as in just their name. Déjà vu?


Do you think it doesn't matter? How do you think we decide who to lynch? Even if you're referring to being unmasked by a NK (are you?), does it not matter until then (assuming you're actually going to be NK-ed at some point)?


And I see you either haven't read all the posts carefully, or you want us to think so.


[emphasis added]

Interesting. So, you can see some point in the game where the mafia would NK one of their own? Why do you think they'd do it, and what would they gain from it?


And how would this hypothetical SK know if the mafia has two NKs?



A Serial Killer isn't a neutral role. They're a third-party anti-every_other_faction role.

That said, of what school should I assume you are?


What are your thoughts on them, plus SirPrimalform? And what do you think of ZFR's latest theories on supplementscene and blotunga?

Sorry, I forgot about this. You're right case scum!scene + town!blotunga is still on the table. I was more focused on the bussing theory when I wrote this that it slipped my mind.

Again my mistake, I was focusing more on the bussing scenario. The "too" applies only if blotunga is a scum.

No, no, no. The D1 relation was simple distancing. I don't believe for a moment the bussing was prepared for beforehand on D1 nor planned for on N1. The bussing decision was made on the spot by scene on D2.

Here is what I think happened. blotunga and scene belong both on the scum team, and I'm chosen as a target. This is why blotunga saw me in Safiros: because he was expecting to see me in Joe's text in the first , due to the words sounding similar in Hungarian he made the connection. So blotunga makes the slip, but nobody notices it was actually a slip. Note there were reactions from 4 people and all of them similar to "huh?" "what?" "you made a mistake." Until scene comes along and he, being on the scum team and knowing I'm the target, realizes blotunga's post for what it is: a bad slip. Note scene's reaction. It wasn't "huh?" "what?" or "you made a mistake." but an immediate "YOU ARE SCUM!". Why? Why didn't he react similarly to the previous players? (despite claiming to turn over a new leaf on D1).

It's at this stage that scene makes his plan to bus his buddy. He's been on the receiving end of bussing; he's obsessed about it a bit and he wants to be on the bussing end of it this time. Plus he really thinks that blotunga, having outed himself is now a liability. Yes, I agree it's not a good play but a "dick move" as you put it, but I can easily see scene doing it.

Also, my first sentence was left unfinished when editing. I meant to write something like "to the point of it becoming a bit of an obsession". I can count 4 or 5 times in later mafia games, where scene mentions how he was bussed on D1.

On a separate note, Let me ask you a question HSL. Imagine blotunga's post never happened. Would you say it's likely I was scum's target on N1?

True they are not a true neutral role, I was just grouping anything not town or mafia into neutral when I should have said third party. When you say what school I am assuming you mean alignment? Heroes

Scene: I don't like his last post at the end of the day where he was accusing you and Pooka of being Scum for being on Fran's wagon when Fran's alignment was not known until Joe posted it. Now I guess Scene will say his post was after Joe's so he already knew Fran's alignment, but that would mean he was posting on purpose after the mod said not to and I don't think that's the case. I think he posted without refreshing and his post showed up after Joe's.

I also don't like his fixation on blotunga's "slip". I've gone back over blotunga's initial post about ZFR being the target last night and Scene is making a mountain out of a mole hill. blotunga clearly states in his post that it was his interpretation of the flavor and nothing to show he had any knowledge of who the intended target was.

Lift: I think his game has improved quite a bit and I can't tell yet if he's scum or not. I do find it interesting that in post In post 115 he lists SPF, ZFR, Pooka, and Korotan as people he would vote to avoid a no lynch then in post 237 he lists SPF, me, and ZFR as people he would vote to avoid a no lynch. Yet he had never mentioned me before that post or after as wiling to vote for. He keeps jumping around on who he finds suspicious, feels off.

Pooka: I like how he plays and his thought process, he doesn't get flustered when questioned and seems to be trying to figure things out. If he's scum he's got me fooled.

SirPrimalform: He's posted so little and even then the posts don't have much sustenance to them, very easy way for scum to hide in plain sight. He's not someone I would vote for right now, but I don't feel that great about him either.

ZFR: His theory on Scene and blotunga is something I don't see being what's going on at all. I think it's a reach to come to the conclusion he has. I honestly just want the Scene/blotunga argument about the "slip" to just stop as it feels like more of a distraction than anything that will move the game forward.

Soon, I ought to do an ISO of everyone, but I do not have the time or the brainpower now.

There is a ton of new information, but I think very little of what has been focused on leads anywhere. At least, much of the new information (the whole ZFR/zafiros/zephyr/blotunga thing) seems like a lot of fluff & fuss over very little, if anything. Maybe it is all (and Trent suggests it is) designed to obfuscate something; maybe it is merely grasping at straws.

Scene (at risk of sounding like I'm copying others' posts) seems like he was fixating too much on blotunga's most-likely honest mistake.

The fact stated that people can have multiple (and overlapping) multipliers, means that the mafia hitman (assuming there was one; again I see no reason why there wouldn't be) could be another naive. Fran as a naive T-Rex is interesting, but out of the game.

I did an ISO on those who attacked her over the course of the game, and it was interesting. Many and varied reasons were given but mostly "she's inactive, so let's kick her."

The obvious 7 attackers are those who voted for her.
They are blotunga, Dedoporno, HypersomniacLive, PookaMustard, Lifthrasil, ZFR, & SirPrimalform.

Overall, scene defended Fran.

At one point SPF asked for a modkill (as did maybe ZFR in #213--I'm not sure how to read it).
Regarding modkills, Lift states:
If/since this is true, Why would SPF--an experienced player, mind you--ask for a modkill, knowing it is worse for town

Also

Trent voted for Fran but never unvoted Scene (who he voted for in #191)
.
Was this a careless mistake or an attempt to blend in?


Lift summarized the issue very well in #105
and
We must assume that the scum did so. Either that or enough town (or 3rd-party) jumped on the train that they did not need to do so. This latter has no advantage for scum, as--if this vote on Fran failed for lack of voters--no other non-mafia would be lynched in D1.

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Unfortunately, we cannot read exact timestamps (or else i do not know how to do so). It might tell us something, but idk what exactly.

ZFR summarized my current feelings
As has been said before, he jokes too much and says little. He seems to be trying to live out the quote "I am making rapid progress in the art of saying nothing in many words," only with even fewer words. This is suspicious to me, but I've said so previously. My opinion of him has shifted very little in the last days.

Other than #413, 419, and maybe 424, SPF has continued to be joking, very reticent, and providing very little "hard" info. He does tell Korotan to (mostly) ignore the flavor, but any long-time player could say this without giving anything away. In #416 he asks why another thinks the way they do. He claims in #370 that this is his MO.

He jumped in at the very last to hammer Fran. Was this out of necessity, or a scum waiting until the deadline to move, seeing that a) an easy kill opportunity awaited, and b) no one else was moving, so they hammered rather than let a townie slip away?

BTW: In passing, whilst rereading, I noticed the following: we are now at #434 (and counting), and Scene has been on Blot's case since before #107. I am curious as to why exactly, this is the case. Maybe if I reread while focused on that, I would find out. ATM, I am focused on other stuff. I'm curious, but not much more.