Even if he did, how does the context below make you think Zephr was the attempted night kill?


"While Safiros leads a salute to the fallen Saviour there is a scuffle.

In silence the camera shows everyone's face then lifts to Safiros looking down from above. "

What's more, I don't think he necessarily made a mistake after the fact. He might have done but he may have seen the word Saffiros and thought, ahhh yes well ZFR was the intended night kill. So yes I remain steadfast that I think it's a slip.

They are close enough if you're Hungarian and have a high fever. I told you all in the preceding post (of the post where I assumed the attempt on ZFR) that I was quite ill at that time. So for me it made perfect sense that Safiros is Zafir which is zfr. I know it sounds dumb now, but that's how it went down.

You should stop having that. It's not healthy! ;-)

Hope you are better now!

Captain Sapphire examines his environment. He listens at the metal doors, and pokes around the other tunnels. The beast trots along beside him.


2 - The Supplement (Supplementscene) - ZFR, Lifthrasil,
1 - Inkblot (blotunga) - Supplementscene,

0 - Koro-Koro Tank (Korotan) -
0 - M. Moutard (PookaMustard) -
0 - The Hypersomniac (HypersomniacLive) -
0 - The Canton Calf (Trentonlf) -
0 - Serpent Rime (SirPrimalform) -
0 - Micro Fist (Microfishd) -
0 - ThrashSeal (Lifthrasil) -
0 - DeadProng (Dedoporno) -
0 - Zephyr (ZFR) -

Not Voting - blotunga, Dedoporno, HypersomniacLive, PookaMustard, SirPrimalform, Trentonlf, Microfishd, Korotan,

Supplementscene currently holds the most votes at 5 away from majority.

deadline in four daysish

Yeah saw that with having not enough sleep too.

You still don't get it, do you?

Can you not understand what I'm saying? Forget about Zephyr and Saphiros. *You* don't believe that he made a mistake, and let's say I concede: he didn't make a mistake.

How on earth does he make a slip then? He just woke up, and decided "I'll tell everyone ZFR was the intended target!". How on earth would that happen. Unless he banged himself on the head. Repeatedly.

So can you answer my question. How did he slip if he did not make a mistake (which is what you're claiming)?

*If* you believe (A) he made a slip (which as I said is plausible), then you must believe (B) he made a mistake. Yet you're believing A without B. Now that is just not possible unless blotunga is an idiot.

So my theory is Day 2 starts and Blotunga has prior knowledge. He skimreads Joe's flavour (or doesn't even read it) and sees there hasn't been a night kill, then one of 2 things happen:

1. Blotunga reads Trent/Joe's exchange that there was no kill and makes the error of assuming ZFR is mentioned at the beggining of the day, because he knows ZFR was the night kill target and assumes it's been mentioned.

or

2. Blotunga skimreads 'Saphiros' and thinks 'ahhh he must be talking about ZFRs flavour name' because he knows ZFR is the intended target.

You and I can't reasonably know what went on in Blotunga's head, but you believe that:

3. Blotunga didn't have prior knowledge, read there wasn't a night kill, skimread Joes flavour, reads 'Saphiros' and thought 'ohh ZFR must be the player that was targeted because that's his name in this game.'

My belief is prior knowledge is more likely to influence an incorrect assumption than no prior knowledge but I will concede I could be wrong and it could be 3, I just think 1 and 2 are more likely. Neither of us will find out until end game but in the meantime I'd refrain from referring to it as 'idiotic'. If a mistake is made we don't need to stoop to personal insults. I think I've outlined how the thought process could unravell though.

Personally, I'm just hoping that when someone inevitably gets the suncream out, Joe remembers to mention what level of sun protection factor it has.



I'm still kind of on the fence with this. I don't think that Blotunga's mistake is anywhere near as damning as scene seems to think it is, but I'm certainly not ready to completely forget about it. I buy the linguistic mixup, but not why he thought that immediately made you town.

Not at all. Read my post maybe.

You really don't understand what I'm writing and whom I'm calling idiotic, do you?

What personal insult? For the nth time: I'm *not* calling blotunga idiotic. I'm saying a person who'd just out of the blue "slip" and out himself for no reason would be idiotic. And I think blotunga is not an idiot...

I think I'll just stop now and let it go. If this continues any further, I will be very tempted to use idiotic as a personal insult.

Absolutely. I agree with you and that's my thoughts too. As I wrote in my post 389 It's possible that the linguistic Zephyr/Safiros mixup was brought about because he did know I'm the target.

Just so everything is clear:
Yes, I 100% believe it was a linguistic mistake, Yes I do believe it might have been a slip on blotunga's part who is scum and knew I was targetted, and No, I don't think that makes him an idiot.

What I don't understand is how scene can be so sure and believe blotunga made a slip without it being a linguistic mixup. The only other alternative to a linguistic mixup is that blotunga stupidly outed himself just like that for no reason, which I don't think is true.

Either (a) scene is just being scene who once he "uncovered" a scum just won't let go and refuses to see any alternative (sadly, judging by previous games, this could be the explanation) or (b) scene is so sure of it because he has prior knowledge too: he is on the scum team with blotunga.

That's an interesting interpretation. You think scene's argument might be a bus attempt gone wrong?

Blotunga thought ZFR was the night kill target. So that would mean ZFR wasn't mafia and is either town or another faction. So if Blotunga does flip Mafia that means ZFR is Town Confirmed or at least not Mafia

Okay I've thought of a reason for not claiming doctor. Blotunga is concerned that the real doctor will figure him out.

Did you not read my last post? As this contradicts all the possibilities I listed of happening in post 412, which included the linguistic mixup you claim I'm oblivious of. I even stated that yes I could be wrong. It seems like you're either not paying attention or you're being disingenuous. You've even stated yourself that it's a possibility. For me that makes it the best wagon, until a better one reveals itself.

Yes. scene has mentioned many times how he was "bussed" when being scum with trent, to the . I think it's possible he now wants to be the clever scum on the bussing end of it.

Look at his interaction D1. He made an RVS vote on blotunga, and when that wasn't taken seriously,he made sure to tell Joe it was a real vote. Later, when his interaction with blotunga was questioned he stressed it twice that he had voted blotunga. Why? Why would you defend so much and draw attention to an RVS vote?

Anyway, let me ask you:
What is your opinion not on the blotunga mixup, but on scene being so sure blotunga mixup is a slip?

@Lift, @dedo ^ same question to you.

Yes, I am aware of that. I meant my question in the sense that it was weird to assume ZFR was the night kill target, not that I didn't understand the logical process that links ZFR being the target to ZFR being town.

I think it's certainly interesting. It's not out of character for scene to lock onto something like this, but now you point the RVS vote and his insistence on making sure everyone knew about it - it does look like there's something more there.

Except it was RVS, then changed to a serious vote on this reply, note post 102. Why was it stressed, because you and Hyper accused me of buddying Blotunga, how is this buddying and how is it still an RVS vote when I note Blotunga's analysis seems disingenous hence I'm keeping my vote on him: