I really hope this doesn't happen as it would be just a waste of everyone's time and Fran's faction will suffer for it just because they drew the short straw.

As for new players, I normally support the notion of giving them a soft D1 pass but usually we don't have that many. Now we have like 4? Technically it's possible that all scum players are new and it would be somewhat annoying if we mislynched by default for the sake of the principle. Still, I'd rather not go after a new player but if they are scummier than anyone else they will be fair game from my point of view.

I have to agree with you, I don't want to be treated with gloves. And it does seem that scene is voting me, so he contradicts himself, as usal. Anyway my vote isn't final either, but a poke.

I'm actually almost inclined to jump on the anti-scene train myself as a means of "retribution", but he could yet be a valuable to us with his analytical skill, but if I suspect him as scum, I won't hesitate anymore. The gloves will come off.

About the whole Mafia private chat thing, yes, I thought it was night-only even before I got into the game, for one simple reason; the Mafia need to talk to each other to set their sights on a nightkill.

If I were scum, coaching buddies in the daylight...on Day 1 specifically is a bad idea. Day 1 has a high likelihood of a Townie lynch, and conversely, a high likelihood of a scumbuddy surviving it to the night. If said scumbuddy gets a lynch majority, or was one vote away from it - on Day 1! - then there's no use in coaching them.

What I am saying about Korotan is not an attempt to coaching him. It's just pointing out that his behavior is off - whether Town or Mafia. And from what he wrote earlier, it's highly likely that the game just isn't for him (and if he decides to drop out, I fully respect his choice, whether Town or Mafia).

I'll admit that in the last forum Secret Hitler game (which was my first in the GOG mafia games), I felt a wave of tension among the players. ZFR was rentless in calling me out after passing the 4th Fascist policy. Trent, up until his surprise of shooting of ZFR, felt like he would not waste any time in shooting me out. After my reveal, Lift questioned my motives. Even I feared what Joe could say about me, and he was (falsely) ousted as a Fascist.

But after the game ended, we congratulated each other for the fight. I got to be friends with the people I was pitted against. Joe's reading something I am writing. I got to know more about the people I've been up against. So while we can be relentless and unforgiving in the game, just know we're only doing it for fun, and we are actually good buddies outside of the games.

But if you wish to leave, tell Joe. Better not to play a game that's stressing you than to keep going.

It does actually. Given this, your question doesn't appear out of the blue like it did before.

You didn't. Only votes are accepted in this game.

I wouldn't count blotunga and Pooka as newbies. Sure this is their first Mafia game, but they played Secret Hitler so the "let their first game be enjoyable" doesn't apply.
And I agree with what you wrote. That's why I didn't vote any of Koro, Fran and micro despite having issues with each of them (well, not micro any longer).

How I’ve missed playing mafia with you, very glad to see you playing! How’s the family doing? How old is your youngest now?

As for new players I am of the same mind, anyone is fair game if they are scummier than anyone else. New or experienced should not be a factor for lynch purposes.

Actually I didn't even count blotunga, I thought I played with him before but it might have been Secret Hitler, indeed. I was referring to Pooka, Fran, Koro and Micro (I believe this is the first game for all of them).

Anyway, Secret Hitler might feel similar but it's also very different so I can see how it can take a while for some people to get around and figure things out resulting in newbie-like plays/behavior. Still, I think we are aligned now.


I'm glad to be back even though I'm actually a bit afraid I may lack the energy I once had to partake fully in our games. Still, I'll do my best. The little one turned 2 months a week ago :)


Sure, but something not being the best idea doesn't necessarily mean that no one would ever do it. And yes, trying to coach someone who is already past the point of no return is pointless, counter-productive even but I'm not sure why you are pointing that out. Koro has (had always?) 0 votes, so trying to nudge him in a better direction isn't exactly as doomed as the scenario you referred to.

Considering we have a short day cycle (5 days) we can’t drag our feet like we love to do or a no lynch will happen or a rushed lynch that we don’t get good information from. For anyone who’s not voting please vote and give reasons for your vote, and the same goes for those who still have an RVS vote. The difference in time zones and player availability means any meaningful discussion will take at least 1-2 real days.

So for everyone, who do you suspect and why? I don’t want a breakdown of everyone, just who really has you doubting their intentions.


Just hold Ivaylo in your lap as you play and coach him on being the next great mafiaso like his father, that will give you plenty of energy ;-)

So from all that has transpired so far who has raised your eyebrows so far and why?

Pooka for the reasons that were mentioned already. Scene for a strong gut feeling based on his unusual behaviour (granted that it may be him learning from his mistakes).

What about you? Whom do you suspect and why (other than me?)?

SPF: a player of experiences.

But seriously, come to think about it you're right. I didn't like that about Sirprimalform in his Secret Hitler game too. Like lurking, too much joke-posting without any proper content is something scum players can hide behind, so it shouldn't be used when town. I'll add SPF to my list of players I'd vote to avoid a myslynch. Like with lurking; it would be at worst case penalizing bad town behaviour.

Agh! More terms I don't understand. Well, it's off to the wiki for me. I'll dredge up these "LAMIST", "no-lynch", "mis-lynch" and "RVS" terms, because atm, I'm a tad bit lost.

Also, at this point, given more interactions with ZFR, he's mostly cleared himself with me, but that could also be the work of one who is a very experienced player who is also playing scum.

Now I face the dilemma: Do I stick with my initial gut instincts, even though those instincts now say something else? I fear I'm overthinking as usual, but I might be wrong there. Do I follow reasoned logic, or do I slowly go mad with dithering?
Paranoia, though art my friend and my closest bulletproof vest.

ZFR has been proclaiming Lift to be scum since before the game started (Avatar caption), and I doubt that will change. Therefore, if it doesn't change we can ignore it; if it does change, we will know something, but what?

As this is the first I've heard of them, Congrats on the little tyke! :D
Hopefully you'll be able to get decent sleep sometime in the next months. ;P

I am sorry. That does not sound fun nor does it lend itself to mobility. I hope the achilles gets better soon (like my finger is slowly doing).

Others have blasted SPF, but Idk
referencing post#16. Was it a joke? Was he serious? Or merely a filler so he would appear to be posting?
HypersomniacLive claims he jokes a lot. however, I have never met the person before in a game, so IDK if this is cover from 1 of 3 mafia for another or if HSL is correct or overthinking.

I'm not gonna switch my vote at the present. I have no proof of anyone more than anyone else, just hunches. And my hunches are usually wrong IRL, so why would this game be different? At most I might unvote, but is a vote just to vote worse than not voting at all?

As I'm dithering again, I'll leave off here.
His post 45 is a probe, then he was helpful,

This might help
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Complete_List_of_Abbreviations

LAMIST: "Look at me I'm so Town". Basically an exaggerated action through which you're trying to show everyone just how town you are.

no-lynch: when a day ends without a majority vote and no one is lynched. Usually bad for town since lynch is their main weapon of eliminating mafia. In rare circumstances it can be good, e.g. when you can't afford to lynch a non-mafia and expect the night to give you additional info, but these usually occur towards the end of the game.

mis-lynch: when a town, or more generally a non-mafia, is lynched.

RVS: random voting stage. The very first votes at the beginning of the game that are done for non-serious reasons. Some players take the "random" part to heart and literally use random.org. Don't be this type of people.

EDIT: HypersomniacLive claims he jokes a lot. however, I have never met the person before in a game, so IDK if this is cover from 1 of 3 mafia for another or if HSL is correct or overthinking. His post 45 is a probe, then he was helpful, then he was serious. This is not conclusive, but he has not been talking a whole lot either, and the wiki says lurkers are bad.

I feel like I'm in way over my head on this and trying to swim upstream though a waterfall or rapids.
[jk]If my brain explodes from overwork, would someone please pick up the pieces? I'd appreciate it.[/jk]

I think....
For the first 37 posts, ZFR is the main suspect, as I see things. Since then, he's been talking from experience and helping newbs, joking or trying to explain his previous scummy-looking posts, or seriously reasoning attacks (or reasons for same) on others.

Trent has posted a lot about how to play the game, and some about not-lynching newbs unless they are too scummy, but not much about reasons for lynching this or that person. Therefore Trent is a prime suspect in my book.

Therefore: [very reluctantly]
@mod Unvote ZFR for lack of conclusive proof atm.

It's just a joke from a previous game. Just like the avatar itself.