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Be kind, rewind

<span class="bold">Shadwen</span>, a thrilling exercise in silent killing within a bleak medieval environment, is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux, DRM-free on GOG.com with GOG Galaxy support for achievements and a 15% launch discount.

Time stands still as Shadwen lurks behind a dark corner, wishing that the little girl cowering beside her didn't have to witness the brutal scene that is about to unfold. But maybe she doesn't. Perhaps there is another way to get past these guards, climb on that scaffold, and continue on her mission to assassinate the king. Before you execute any action, time stands still, allowing you to change plans on the spot and even rewind failed attempts. Killing might not be necessary, as long as Shadwen manages to stay hidden or use distractions, thus sparing young Lily the horrible sight of this muffled violent dance.

Put on your soft leather gloves, don your darkness-colored robes, and keep your murders quiet as you become <span class="bold">Shadwen</span>, DRM-free on GOG.com. The 15% discount will last until May 24, 1:59 PM UTC.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/kTTaf4tprKI
Post edited May 17, 2016 by maladr0Id
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immi101: yes, libpng 1.2 is outdated since 2011 or so. But debian and its offsprings kept using it until very recently.
Debian made the transition to 1.6 like a month ago. Ubuntu decided to postpone the switch to after the 16.04 release.
you can hardly blame the developers for still using 1.2 with this game.

you (/someone) might want to lobby with the debian folks to keep libpng12 around. There is a lot of games depending on this.
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shmerl: Well, as I said, the workaround helps (there is even newer one in Jessie as well). Developers seem to be mixed up with this, because they are using both libpng 1.2 and libpng 1.6:

ldd shadwen_linux_64bit
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libpng16.so.16 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng16.so.16 (0x00007f40e39e0000)
...

ldd shadwen_linux_launcher_64bit
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libpng12.so.0 => not found
libpng16.so.16 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng16.so.16 (0x00007fde81f8b000)
....

I.e. they are even using 1.6 in the same binary! So they as well can simply drop 1.2 and switch to 1.6 everywhere.
are you sure those deps are actually from the game or depencies of the libraries that shadwen is linked against ?
ldd throws all of those together, so the output doesn't really help.

for example:
tome show the "same" symptons:
$ ldd t-engine | grep png
libpng12.so.0 => /usr/lib64/libpng12.so.0 (0x00007f3b9a737000)
libpng16.so.16 => /usr/lib64/libpng16.so.16 (0x00007f3b97ec7000)

but if you actually take a closer look you will see that the game only links against libpng12:
$ objdump -x t-engine | grep NEEDED
NEEDED libm.so.6
NEEDED libdl.so.2
NEEDED libSDL2-2.0.so.0
NEEDED libSDL2_ttf-2.0.so.0
NEEDED libSDL2_image-2.0.so.0
NEEDED libpng12.so.0
NEEDED libopenal.so.1
NEEDED libvorbisfile.so.3
NEEDED libGL.so.1
NEEDED libGLU.so.1
NEEDED libpthread.so.0
NEEDED libgcc_s.so.1
NEEDED libc.so.6

however the libSDL2_image library from my distro is linked against libpng16:
$ objdump -x /usr/lib64/libSDL2_image-2.0.so.0.0.0 | grep NEEDED
NEEDED libpng16.so.16
NEEDED libjpeg.so.62
NEEDED libtiff.so.5
NEEDED libz.so.1
NEEDED libSDL2-2.0.so.0
NEEDED libpthread.so.0
NEEDED libc.so.6

That gives you the result that ldd shows libpng12 and libpng16, even though the game only uses 1.2 directly.

edit:
i suspect switching to libpng16 would be a problem for all ubuntu users, so that's not really a solution i think.
Post edited May 18, 2016 by immi101
I've created a wishlist for those who want GOG to indicate which releases are missing level editors on the store pages.
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immi101: That gives you the result that ldd shows libpng12 and libpng16, even though the game only uses 1.2 directly.

edit:
i suspect switching to libpng16 would be a problem for all ubuntu users, so that's not really a solution i think.
Shadwen has similar result - it's using libpng 1.2 directly, and apparently 1.6 is used by some other library.

Why is it a problem with Ubuntu? They didn't backport libpng 1.6?
Post edited May 18, 2016 by shmerl
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Reaper9988: Hmmm I realize it's probably not easy to disconnect the Editor from the Workshop but making it Workshop only in the first place is a horrible idea.
Your basically just helping steam monopolize and push through their Agenda even more.
If it's not easy to have the editor work separately from the workshop then they've done something wrong. It shows that they have given no consideration for platforms besides Steam or their users. For decades we've had mod/map tools that output files that users can simply .zip up and distribute however they want, and now all of a sudden that's too hard because there's a hosting service tied to one of the distribution platforms?

It's bad for us, as it means we get a version that's missing a substantial feature (and it sounds like there's a high chance that GOG users will be screwed with delayed/missing updates too).

It's bad for GOG, as they're selling an inferior product and this will negatively impact how they are viewed by potential customers, reducing the likelihood of people buying from GOG again or recommending them (as they risk missing out on significant features and updates if they buy games here instead of Steam). GOG already has a reputation for slow & missing updates and missing Linux/Mac versions and it won't help if devs are actively trying to shepherd users towards Steam by doing things like this as well.

(This also forms a negative feedback loop of users not buying games here because of developers not providing much support for releases here, resulting in developers not putting much effort into supporting releases here due to lack of users buying here...)

It's bad for gaming in general as it tightens Steam's near monopoly on the PC games market and it gives the Steam Workshop exclusivity on mods/maps in cases such as this.
Post edited May 18, 2016 by adamhm
I see this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libpng

They have 1.6 in Xenial and Yakkety. May be developers can also build it for older ones and ship it with the game.
Post edited May 18, 2016 by shmerl
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shmerl: I see this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libpng

They have 1.6 in Xenial and Yakkety.
exactly :)

xenial (16.04) was basically just released, and Yakkety is the next release to be released in half a year.
Setting that as a requirement would be bad for all the users who are still using 14.04 (or 15.10).

and libpng12 is still available on 16.04 as well. So staying with libpng12 really seems the best way atm.

And every other distro i know still has libpng12 available as well. The real problem is that debian just dumped the old version and all old 3rd-party software now has a problem.

it may be an idea to make a support ticket and ask the GOG people to bundle libpng with the game. Not sure how strict their guidelines are in that regard, since game works just find on the supported distros.
Post edited May 18, 2016 by immi101
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immi101: it may be an idea to make a support ticket and ask the GOG people to bundle libpng with the game. Not sure how strict their guidelines are in that regard, since game works just find on the supported distros.
It's something that developers should do rather than GOG. I actually proposed that for them here. A better solution would be to bundle 1.6 however, this way they won't be stuck with obsolete library.
Post edited May 18, 2016 by shmerl
I stopped reading at "escorting a little girl"

Sorry; I hate escort missions with a passion.

And allowing only mods with the steam workshop, the worst source for modding in this world, is the final nail in the coffin.
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mkess: I stopped reading at "escorting a little girl"
You actually can play as that girl, so she isn't just AI controlled.
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MarjutFB: Yes. Unfortunately the Editor is only available through Steam, and we are not planning to make any changes to this because we have linked the sharing with the Steam Workshop feature.

I hope you can still enjoy the game. Cheers!
Unless it's very difficult on a technical level or, for some weird reason, you want to steer people away from buying the GOG version (if so, why release the game here in the first place?), I'd very much encourage you to change this. GOG users are sick of buying inferior products.
Post edited May 18, 2016 by tfishell
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mkess: I stopped reading at "escorting a little girl"

Sorry; I hate escort missions with a passion.
I do so too but for some reason they changed the A.I with the girl. I have never lost because they found her, her A.I is apparently too good for that. I suppose if you order her to walk right into the sight of a guard she will be noticed but otherwise it's fine, it's actually weird why she's even in the game at all other than excuse to have some to escort. I play on Hard but I'm not sure that changes anything, all it says that there's no guard POV (Easy) and highlight (Normal).

They should have added more interactivity with her, preferably something that makes her react depending on how and how often you kill people.
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Nirth: it's actually weird why she's even in the game at all other than excuse to have some to escort. I play on Hard but I'm not sure that changes anything, all it says that there's no guard POV (Easy) and highlight (Normal).

They should have added more interactivity with her, preferably something that makes her react depending on how and how often you kill people.
I didn't finish the game yet, but they hint that story depends on how Lily will react. But I agree, this reactivity seems to be very limited. I'm also playing on hard.

For more details about gameplay see

http://www.frozenbyte.com/2016/05/shadwen-playstyles-23-non-lethal/
http://www.frozenbyte.com/2016/05/shadwen-playstyles-13-completely-lethal/
http://www.frozenbyte.com/2016/05/shadwen-playstyles-33-best-of-both-worlds-2/
Post edited May 18, 2016 by shmerl
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ElizabethOzborn: Does anybody know if the GOG version of Shadwen comes with the 'Level Editor'?

The game is supposed to be mod friendly and allow you to create your own levels and mods. But from what I've read, it looks like the 'Level Editor' is only available with the Steam version of the game.

If this is true, then it really stinks! Cause I hate Steam and I'll never use it!
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MarjutFB: Yes. Unfortunately the Editor is only available through Steam, and we are not planning to make any changes to this because we have linked the sharing with the Steam Workshop feature.

I hope you can still enjoy the game. Cheers!
If you're going to sell an inferior version of the game here, then please don't even bother next time. You let GOG promote you with the demo, and then you treat its users like second class citizens. This kind of stuff hurts the site as a whole, and is unfair to any customers you may have here. Unless the situation with the editor changes, I can no longer support Frozenbyte or their products. I really hope you'll consider making things right here.
Changed my mind, won't buy the game,
I don't want to buy a product with missing content.
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ZaineH: I've created a wishlist for those who want GOG to indicate which releases are missing level editors on the store pages.
Voted.

GOG should put that notice on the game-pages a.s.a.p. They can always take it down if things change in the future, but omitting it is misleading potential customers.



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MarjutFB: Yes. Unfortunately the Editor is only available through Steam, and we are not planning to make any changes to this because we have linked the sharing with the Steam Workshop feature.

I hope you can still enjoy the game. Cheers!
That's a pretty bad move. You're practically saying you've released an inferior version for no good reason, and have no intention of rectifying the situation. Pretty disrespectful to us, and GOG.